Terri's Armchair Psych Profile

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Re: the DSM: LOL

I don't know about the bodybuilding. But my mother is narcissistic and having her children look well-cared for was part of her own image of herself as a perfect mother. She sewed us adorable outfits, took lots of photos, bought us toys and treats, kept us clean, fed, etc., etc. She did those things because you are supposed to, and also because despite her self-absorption, she had no reason not to, if that makes sense--she's not a monster, she does have decent values about how to raise children, I know that sounds like a contradiction. Believe me, I'm confused too! But she forgot to read the chapter on unconditional love, emotional support, etc.

I think for my mother, the effort to appear perfect overwhelmed her. She was a single mom. I bet if she could have been a SAHM (a wish she expressed to me--"I'm not a career girl", she said) things would have looked even better.

If you scratch the surface, you would find out that we were raised in complete squalor. A lot of energy was spent presenting the picture of the perfect family. But the pictures don't show Mom's complete inability to see us as separate people, the playing of favorites, the hyper criticism, the scapegoating, the rageaholism, not to mention the filthy living conditions, etc., etc.

She would never admit that the way were raised was at all harmful. My siblings and my problems she blames on others (or in my case, my own "poor character"). I don't know if it's because she truly believes she did nothing wrong, or she knows it was wrong but is unable to face it. First is scary, second is really sad.

Anyway, it looks like TH's kids had it far better than I did, but despite outward appearances, we don't know what sort of emotional climate TH created for her kids. Emotional abuse can be subtle and easily explained away. Again, I'm not a psychologist, just a survivor, I make no claim that conditions in the Horman home were at all like those in mine. JMHO, YMMV.

Yes, as long as we looked "cute" to the outside world...Mom had done a good job. It's taken me many years to clearly see what my mother was truly all about...herself! Thank you for sharing!
 
  • #63
Video. Includes psychiatrist explaining PPD, and the difference between PPD and PPP.

ABC Good Morning America
Kyron's Stepmother Suspected
Could post partum depression have played a role in the boys disappearance?
05:46 | 07/10/2010

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/kyrons-stepmother-suspected-11132091

I'm so grateful for this video - thank you BeanE. Maybe 15-20 years ago PPD and PPP were thought to be confined to a very specific time frame such as a few weeks post partum. However that information is based on old data and has evolved significantly as new research indicates and as one can hear from this video.

I'm not a certified mental health care practitioner, but I am a clinical pharmacist and can guarantee there are many women, post partum, who are not diagnosed and/or treated correctly. Nothing worse than untreated PPD that escalates into PPP. Nothing worse than someone saying: this is NOT PPD or PPP because it doesn't fit into the designated time period. :eek:

If an anti-depressant is given to treat PPD why would it fail?
...sub-therapeutic dose results in sub-therapeutic blood levels (much like giving a placebo). RESULTS: PPD continues beyond designated time period.

...approaching therapeutic blood levels but not quite - PPD improves but still symptomatic

...Toxic blood levels - PPD can appear to be PPP, disorganized thinking, confusion, anxiety, and eventually can result in coma or death.

...wrong medication - sometimes, a trial with 3-4 antidepressants is necessary before finding one that is effective. That takes time.

...wrong diagnosis
...poor compliance

In medicine therapeutic blood levels tells us the medicine is doing what it should be doing. (and it gets more complicated from there)
TBL verified by timely blood draws is what we, in the medical profession, strive for.

With the above in mind, I hope Terri had timely blood draws resulting in therapeutic blood levels, and she was on the right medication that worked for her. If it wasn't effective, she could be anywhere on the spectrum as far as PPD and/or PPP. all just my opinion but given with decades of working as a clinical pharmacist.
 
  • #64
someone, such as her friends, should have told her to act as if you care, at least.

If they sided with her, they just made her look worse. If she disregarded any good advice she got, then it does show that she has some kind of issues.
 
  • #65
WTH SleuthyGal? What about people who are 'solving crimes' based on the media information versus what the LE really has? Are you putting yourself into that category? I'm not trying to be rude, at all, my tone if I were to talk to you would be a jibing friend, but seriously...

Ahhh Just, what you don't realize is that my post was moved from a completely different thread altogether and plopped right into this one, where it appears completely random and seemingly off topic. I was actually asking a followup question to one of the verified psychologists about the validity of people diagnosing others they've never met...again, on a different thread.

Why my post was moved here I don't know, but it was.

WTH indeed!
 
  • #66
I think it's NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) or something along that continuum. As I've posted ad nauseum, my mother clearly has it. Note that she is not diagnosed.

--- snipped ---

I was talking to my mother about my ex-sister-in-law. My mother tends to side with my sibling's and my exes instead of with us. She said, "I feel so sorry for ____. Her mother was so hard on her." (which she was) I said, "You know, you were hard on me too." Quick denial on her part. She snapped, "No I wasn't!" End of discussion. I dropped it because that's all I needed to know. What I can't tell about Mom is does she believe the stories she makes up about things or not? She often has her own reality about events. She is also very very intelligent and very good at blaming others. JMO, YMMV.

WOAH! From what you write, I think we may have the same mom!
 
  • #67
FWIW

By the time I finished my clinical rotation in psych, I'd "diagnosed" every person in my life (and some who weren't) with various neuroses and psychoses. It's quite easy to take particular diagnostic criteria and a particular set of circumstances and behavior(s) and claim a person has *whatever*. But I do believe that a professional and accurate psychiatric diagnosis requires a tad bit more evaluation (in person, even), to include differential diagnoses and ruling out physiologic causes, etc.

If it was as quick and easy as it appears to be here (and in my own experience), then certainly psychiatrists wouldn't command such high fees nor even be necessary for that matter.
 
  • #68
Hey, aside from all the personality disorder discussion, which I'm not qualified to comment on... this is armchair psychology, right? I can speak for myself. If I was able to sculpt my body the way she had done in her bodybuilding photos, at that point I would feel like I could do anything I put my mind to. I would feel unstoppable.
 
  • #69
What will it take for this woman to talk? She's lost her home, husband, baby, new lover(????). What will it take? Tell her she's beautiful? Sexy? Unfortunately, unless LE gets evidence soon, and especially if they feel Kyron is alive and may be in danger (the original issue from police was 'missing endangered') there could be a plea bargain in the works. She needs to talk now.

This woman can communicate about sex but not about what happened to Kyron. This case is driving me nuts.
 
  • #70
I googled Emerald Cup body building for women.
I was surprised!
100% mental game to exercise, diet, sauna, tan/oil, train, disipline.
No time for family or anything else during competition times.
Lots of guilt over that.
My eyes were wide open when one lady said that seeing the body change on the outside did things to her mind.
Go check it out very interesting ..................
IMO, it is a very ME,ME and more ME sport..........
 
  • #71
Dr Frank Colistro on KOIN says out of all missing children, 80% are intro-familial. Of the remaining, 25% are little girls taken for sexual molestation

Here is some biography info on him:

http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/ReferencesView.aspx?PersonID=1228523626

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" . . . Thursday, January 24, 2008 - Dr. Frank Colistro, forensic psychologist and serial killer profile
...
Forensic Psychologist Dr. Frank Colistro in January

Dr. Frank Colistro is a consulting psychologist for several law enforcement agencies including the Behavioral and Risk Services Unit of the Oregon Department of Corrections, the Cold Case Unit of the Portland Police Bureau as well as a criminal profiler for several agencies. He also works with the Oregon Board of Parole, providing psychological assessment of inmate's potential of recidivism. Dr. Colistro has consulted with prosecution and defense attorneys on topics such as homicide investigations, major sex crimes and domestic violence cases.

As a criminal profiler, he has been involved in a number of highly publicized local cases including the Forest Park Rapist, KOIN Tower Shooter and the NE Portland Rapist. He was featured on national news as a commentator on the Ward Weaver case. He is often heard on local TV and radio. . . ."




Sorry, didn't know where to put this, but the statistics always change so much it is good to get fresh ones. This man is a Criminal Psychologist, and altho not working on the case has followed it since day 1. He finds it an odd case. Also that the new emphasis on the SM and her possible involvement is distracting focus on the main issue which is finding Kyron.

I thought his comments were very interesting.



PS: Mods, if this post has a better thread please feel free to move it. xox
 
  • #72
Video. Includes psychiatrist explaining PPD, and the difference between PPD and PPP.

ABC Good Morning America
Kyron's Stepmother Suspected
Could post partum depression have played a role in the boys disappearance?
05:46 | 07/10/2010

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/kyrons-stepmother-suspected-11132091

Thanks BeanE for that video. Dr Brissendine {sp} was very good I thought in the way she explained everything.

Interesting she thinks they must not think Terri would do harm to herself now or she would be in a psychiatric hospital. Rather, they are trying to keep people away from her.

I didn't know much about PPD or PPP but have a feeling for it now. I think she said 10 to 20% of all mothers have some PPD. 1 out of a thousand gets PPP, like Susan Smith or Andrea Yates.

The media has such wonderful coverage now. Imagine finding this Dr to comment on that element that so affects this case. ;} ABC with her and KOIN with Dr Colistro.
 
  • #73
By the time I finished my clinical rotation in psych, I'd "diagnosed" every person in my life (and some who weren't) with various neuroses and psychoses.

Heh, I did that as well after a semester of Psych 101 and fully expect my daughter to do this as well as she is an upcoming psych major. I can't wait to hear how twisted I am. :)

I know this is all speculation about TH up until we have more facts, see and hear her speak more.

~~Actually there is one venue besides facebook that we've seen her in... was it officially confirmed she posted to that news message board? I read those posts and they were pretty disparaging of LE and adversarial, mocking, etc. Well, I won't go any further than that w/o knowing if those posts were indeed TH's writing. if they were, they'd give some good insight.
 
  • #74
Best thread I think I can find to ask about other's opinions on this. KH just spoke in a recent article about TH getting re-licensed to teach recently.

I checked this out at the State of Oregon's Teacher Standards and Practices Commission website. Her license is effective as of 2/23/10 and expires 3/14/13.

I searched with last name and birthdate to pull it up.

http://www.tspc.state.or.us/lookup_query.asp?op=9&id=0

I find it interesting that she just did this. I'm wondering how this fits into what others think of her state of mind / possible personality disorders.

It doesn't fit with PPD for me.

This would take some effort on TH's part. It could indicate to me she was thinking about supporting herself w/o Kaine in the future, or it could be as simple as she wanted to return to work.

Any thoughts?
 
  • #75
Best thread I think I can find to ask about other's opinions on this. KH just spoke in a recent article about TH getting re-licensed to teach recently.

I checked this out at the State of Oregon's Teacher Standards and Practices Commission website. Her license is effective as of 2/23/10 and expires 3/14/13.

I searched with last name and birthdate to pull it up.

http://www.tspc.state.or.us/lookup_query.asp?op=9&id=0

I find it interesting that she just did this. I'm wondering how this fits into what others think of her state of mind / possible personality disorders.

It doesn't fit with PPD for me.

This would take some effort on TH's part. It could indicate to me she was thinking about supporting herself w/o Kaine in the future, or it could be as simple as she wanted to return to work.

Any thoughts?

Thanks for finding that important info.
Any idea as to what she needed to do in order to have it reinstated? Did Terri let it lapse? Was it revoked? Was there an allegation against her? Just wondering how much work/planning it took to have it reinstated?
 
  • #76
I have a mother like that too. Feel the love coming at ya from me!! We survived. Hard now, she's older and dementia has kicked in and can ONLY comment on herself EVERY subject is about HER. EVERY. More pronounced than ever. WE were raised by wolves dearie!

Ditto!!!
 
  • #77
I was talking to a psych student the other day because I was at a bookstore and started talking about the kind of books that I like-mysteries by women authors only (pretty much)..

Anyway, I started talking about this case and she said there is a new area of study that is looking at women who kill their children because it is so against what should happen.

Another customer came so the conversation ended, but I think that kind of information will be very helpful in the future.
 
  • #78
If anyone would like to know about Reactive Attachment Disorder, Attachment Disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder, A bit of Narcissistic Disorder..

Ask me anything you want.

I have had very personal experience raising my children who were adopted at the ages of 3 and 6, who are now 25 and 29. It's been a rough road and I still don't know where it will end.

One child seems so much better after spending a while in jail the other one I still don't know?? We have had psychiatrist's and counselors since they were very young.

I love them so much but it also hurts to watch what they do to themselves and others. Both are very smart ,expert liars and one still lives in their own reality world. One is very street smart and I don't know how she became this way. We live in a rural area.

But, everyonce in a while I see hope-I get a note or verbal message from them that I am the one constant in their life and they would not still be alive if not for me.

They had a excellent counselor who said both would probably be in their 30's before they sought help on their own and that is what it will take. Apparently, it does not take much to go down the wrong road with their disorders.

I can totally see the Terri in one of my children. Once one lives with someone like this you can spot these charming deceptors quickly. They lie, steal, are sometimes violent, holes punched in the walls, etc anger but underneath all this false,friendly, smart, totally self-confident full of themselves persona/facade they present to others,is a great fear that they were thrown away, are truly worthless and fear to let anyone see the real person they are.
If they act out hard enough and long enough the people who love them will throw them away too so they lie cheat and steal to keep that from happening. That is why I have seen the real them. It didn't work with me, I'm still here even if they were holy terrors.
(an still are in some ways)

The counselor said this is why it is so hard for attachment disorders to face their fears because they must also identify that fear which they themselves never really understand.

How many times have I said to them " You must find out why you sabotage your happiness or your success with people or jobs?"

It is all about control! It's always someone else's fault.They will come up with all kinds of excuses ( no matter how old they are at the time 25 or almost 30, anything to keep from saying " I'm afraid if I let them see the real me the little boy or girl who got thrown away,if I do they will throw me away to." (yes it is so sad)

I learned to say I don't like what you did but I still love you, gave consequences for the actions and tried my best to give continuity and consitistency to their lives.
I have always been there for them the right way.(Not my ex) If I had not had the professional help we got I would be in a mental institution :banghead: or worse.

So ask away...They've called social services on me LOL with me standing there after looking up the number and giving it to them, stolen money, stolen items from stores, drained me dry financially, can't maintain jobs or roommates or relationships, both have trouble with the law.they make their own rules..I think I'm pretty much an expert on my two...LOL

Would I do it all over again if I could? I'd like to say yes and I want to say yes but only maybe if they could stay under 10 years of age forever. LOL
Yes I'd do it again but very differently cause I've learned so very much.


I always thought and prayed this-
Dear God, You gave me these two children, You put them in my care. I'm not going to give up but please dear Lord I pray You will continue to give me the strength and guide me. He has, Thank you Lord.

So feel free, Ask me anything! I may not have the clinical educational knowledge but I've got life experience!!!:cheerful:
 
  • #79
I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to make the previous post so long. Just got carried away.
 
  • #80
KATU: Was Terri bi-polar, either diagnosed or not? Was she on medication at any point for mental health issues?

Kaine: Not that I am aware of but that would be between Terri and her Doctor.


http://www.katu.com/news/local/98654424.html
 
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