Terri's Armchair Psych Profile

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  • #141
i think she is a perfectionist and a control freak....

one thing that bothers me though......we all know the science project was perfect and alot of work put into it......people have mentioned that Terri did it.....

I am sure I read that Kaine actually did the project!....(off to try and find this now)....i think he also is a perfectionist and control freak..
 
  • #142
When Terri came home & posted the science fair photo of Kyron & exhibit...She wrote that Kyron did it all by himself...And she only helped with suggestions of where things could be placed.

IMO Terri didn't receive the approval/compliments on her exhibit either at school or online.

Borderline Personalities can "snap" at the slightest rejection. If classes started at 10am...Why leave at 9am?
 
  • #143
i think she is a perfectionist and a control freak....

one thing that bothers me though......we all know the science project was perfect and alot of work put into it......people have mentioned that Terri did it.....

I am sure I read that Kaine actually did the project!....(off to try and find this now)....i think he also is a perfectionist and control freak..

Kaine has stated at least twice that he helped Kyron with that exhibit.
 
  • #144
IMO Terri is definitely an addictive personality. An Obsessive Compulsive in search of perfection. Her self worth comes from her doing for others...Being "perfect"

She obviously had secrets from Kaine. Her secret alcohol abuse, friendship with DeDe, boyfriend, etc.

I wonder if she had a secret shopping compulsion. Certain buys from EBay show this....Lots of books! Saving items from J for Kyron and from Kyron to baby K?

When she was married to 2nd husband/Ecker (sp?) they had a restaurant business and a storage unit business...I wonder if Terri had a secret storage unit/shed for her compulsive buying? A place to get away, get high, sleep, be with her "stuff", be her other self?

Desiree uses the word STASHED in terms of Kyron's location. Would it be located on Sauvie Island? The first cell ping area?


(Remember that Scott Peterson had a secret storage unit where he had his secret boat, phone, computer and made the cement anchors.)


Hopefully LE has checked out the previous storage business and other storage units in the area.
 
  • #145
My mother was a sociopath. I and my younger two sisters are all borderlines. I have never been violent but I have had suicidal ideations and self-destructive tendancies. My younger sister has attempted suicide and has had more than two abusive boyfriend/husbands. The youngest, and imo suffered the most abuse, attacked me and choked me to the point of unconsciousness and then tried to drag me into her house when I neighbor saw and came over to help.

My point is this: my mother had never been formally diagnosed by any type of doctor or counselor or psychologist. My therapist and I dx'd her based on my many years of personal knowledge of my mothers behaviors and conversations.

I ended up marrying a narcissist at the age of 17 to get away from my mother. Go figure. He has never been formally dx'd either. Based on my observations and my therapist (psychologist) opinions, I would bet money I am right. Armchair pyschology? Perhaps. Maybe not so crazy if you consider that sometimes the armchair is in the living room of the objects house.

JMO and experience.
 
  • #146
My mother was a sociopath. I and my younger two sisters are all borderlines. I have never been violent but I have had suicidal ideations and self-destructive tendancies. My younger sister has attempted suicide and has had more than two abusive boyfriend/husbands. The youngest, and imo suffered the most abuse, attacked me and choked me to the point of unconsciousness and then tried to drag me into her house when I neighbor saw and came over to help.

My point is this: my mother had never been formally diagnosed by any type of doctor or counselor or psychologist. My therapist and I dx'd her based on my many years of personal knowledge of my mothers behaviors and conversations.

I ended up marrying a narcissist at the age of 17 to get away from my mother. Go figure. He has never been formally dx'd either. Based on my observations and my therapist (psychologist) opinions, I would bet money I am right. Armchair pyschology? Perhaps. Maybe not so crazy if you consider that sometimes the armchair is in the living room of the objects house.

JMO and experience.


Man, most of us have had messed up parents. I used to think my mom was perfect. Her NPD really became obvious when she started with very very slight dementia and got so involved w/ the church. My mom has an astounding amount of money in the bank and has a great income every month, she planned very well for her future. The winter my Dad died she told me she didn't have the $$ to buy the great grandkids (my grandchildren) anything, yet she spend untold hundreds on missionaries and her sunday school class and the little kids that attend sunday school. She "slipped" and mentioned all the crap she had bought and put together for them. I was just, my jaw hit the floor. This was during the time she had the broken ankle and I was waiting on her hand and foot while hearing what a loser my dad was, after he had just died.
She moved up here about 7 yrs ago from Va to be closer to her family, she said, as me, all my kids and grands, and my brother all live up here (my brother has left since then, but he lived here for several years) and for about the first year we visited her several times a week but every one of us has our own lives, I have a sick youngest daughter, we all had family drama, etc and Mom started making friends and getting involved in church, senior groups, crochet clubs, and of course every club she joined she made sure she eventually became the president or the one in charge or making all the decisions.. Pretty soon I was being told by all her friends what a wonderful woman she was, so giving, always thinking of others....really? I had one child who couldn't keep her utilities on, she couldn't get ahead of the bills for a long time, my mom knew she was struggling yet never offered to help. And I certainly couldn't help. And just a couple hundred bucks would have helped her get on top of it. I had 2 grandkids sleeping in a cold house that winter cos daughter couldn't afford gas all but one month, she had electric heaters they moved from room to room... My mom certainly had it, would have never missed that amount of money. None of us EVER ask her for help financially. EVER. Yet she handed my brother money left and right when he lived here. It was sickening. He didn't work the whole 7 years he lived here. Not a dang thing wrong with him.
When I was doing badly physically and financially after my client died this past Christmas and we only had our disability incomes to survive on, and here I was a new diabetic trying to eat the right food, etc. on top of everything else, I asked her if I could ask her church for some food (they have a huge pantry with a freezer full of meat, ppl donate all the time, looks like a mini grocery store,) church bulletins are always talking about it, saying if you know anyone in need..."our shelves are bulging"....I asked her if I could ask the church secretary if we could get some food, she said oh no way, that would be so embarassing for her, please go somewhere else....and that was the end of that. And she wonders why I visit so infrequently.
I actually put it all together from what I had read about NPD on Casey Anthony threads. I was never into psyche nursing so it wasn't really obvious to me for years. Now, I won't say I am "done" with her, but I will say when she gets old and decrepid (spelled wrong) my brother and sister better formulate a plan to get her to a nursing home or whatever cos I am OUT OF IT. I took care of my Dad for his final 3 years, they get mom!!!! And neither of them even live in this part of the country, my sister is out west and my brother is northern midwest. OH WELL!


PS sorry for the wordy post but sometimes ya just have to get it all out.... abbie
 
  • #147
When you other posters learned or realized your mom had NPD, did it screw your head up too, or is it just me?

abbie

It's not just you. In fact, the DBT psychologist my daughter was seeing hesitated to diagnose her. I think he missed a lot, dismissed a lot, but I was in complete denial too initially. She's so naive sheltered little rich girl, that sometimes it's easy to gloss over some of the more glaring aspects of her... issues.

Her therapist obviously could not diagnose her adoptive mother, but his gut was telling him she likely was a borderline. The hypothesis was in part based on studies that seem to indicate that children of borderlines can echo borderline tendencies without meeting the diagnostic criteria themselves.

After my Granddaughter died, he couldn't deny it anymore, and she was finally officially diagnosed, but clearly her Mom has her own issues, far more severe and self-destructive than my daughter. She's just more skilled at putting up the pretty, deceptive facade.

Of course this is going to screw with your head. Just like growing up in a war zone, or being raped, or in any other way victimized.

Like... something grace (ack, sorry!) up there, I experienced suicidal ideation for years. My Mom died when my oldest son was a few months old, and I wanted to die for a long time. One day I realized that for all our issues, I missed her, it wasn't all bad, and she lived life to the (dysfunctional) fullest, and part of my grief was that she, who had such zest for life, and did great things for others (if not me) was gone, and my Dad, who I don't have much respect for, was alive, doing nothing but taking from others.

I realized I was being a selfish prat, and if I died, I was condemning my son to worse grief than what I was going through. That snapped me out of it.

It's one of the reasons I chose adoption for my daughter. I was an angry, hurting, messed up kid, and like hell was I going to subject her to any of that. And as much as I find it hard to accept what her parents did to her (because it was worse than anything I could have done) I wouldn't have been much better of a parent either. The great irony is I chose her parents because her adoptive Mom reminded me of the best of my Mom. I should have remembered my Mom was able to give shining first impressions too.... I might have made a better choice.

Abbie, it's perfectly normal for something like this to mess up your head. You've obviously worked hard to change the patterns in your life and make better choices than your Mother. It is interesting how many of us here had troubled early years... I think many of us know but for the grace of God... :(

I find the same thing among foster parents. There are those of us who take our pain and magnify it and explode onto others, and there are those of us for whom the only way to survive is to stand up and say, "not on my watch".

Big hugs to you (all of you!). Be proud. You are a survivor.
 
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In this video, the reporter asks Kaine and Desiree if they've noticed TH's confident air about her as she attended court this last week.

http://www.katu.com/home/video/101702718.html

Desiree feels that she is acting that way on the outside, but is scared on the inside because she never guessed Kyron's case would get this much attention.

Now to me, that sounds kinda like the thought pattern of a sociopath and then again not. They usually are confident inside and out and live for the day at hand. In other words, she would have walked into that court room confident the judge was going to rule in her favor and when it didn't happen, she would have been enraged that the judge was unfair and/or incompetent. I don't think a sociopath has fear, which is part of the problem.

I could be wrong about that. Thoughts?
 
  • #150
In this video, the reporter asks Kaine and Desiree if they've noticed TH's confident air about her as she attended court this last week.

http://www.katu.com/home/video/101702718.html

Desiree feels that she is acting that way on the outside, but is scared on the inside because she never guessed Kyron's case would get this much attention.

Now to me, that sounds kinda like the thought pattern of a sociopath and then again not. They usually are confident inside and out and live for the day at hand. In other words, she would have walked into that court room confident the judge was going to rule in her favor and when it didn't happen, she would have been enraged that the judge was unfair and/or incompetent. I don't think a sociopath has fear, which is part of the problem.

I could be wrong about that. Thoughts?

Terri was on camera for all of about 30 seconds, combined. Going in, and coming out. I think perspective colors people's interpretations of things. I can't see anything other than Terri trying to get in and get out as quickly as possible. I'm sure Desiree's instincts are dictating to her how to interpret them, but it would be difficult to assign sociopathy to Terri because of Desiree's feelings about her. We can definitely believe she is not an unbiased bystander.
 
  • #151
Terri was on camera for all of about 30 seconds, combined. Going in, and coming out. I think perspective colors people's interpretations of things. I can't see anything other than Terri trying to get in and get out as quickly as possible. I'm sure Desiree's instincts are dictating to her how to interpret them, but it would be difficult to assign sociopathy to Terri because of Desiree's feelings about her. We can definitely believe she is not an unbiased bystander.

Just because she didn't go in there kickin' and screamin' and cryin' doesn't mean she felt confident. But she was able to hold her emotions intact enough to appear dignified.
 
  • #152
I'm not convinced of the evidence we've seen against Terri, but if she is guilty, then I feel it was all about getting revenge against Kaine. Maybe this is why LE can't get through to her & I believe the only person who could is Kaine. If I was Kaine I wouldn't be able to stop myself from seeing Terri & demand to know where my child is. I feel that after all the time they've been apart she may just break if she's him again.
I know perhaps LE won't let this happen & maybe Kaine never wants to see her again, but if she is the key to finding Kyron it may be worth a try.
 
  • #153
I don't know, Sherazhad. He was in that house with her 24/7 for weeks. Surely, he confronted her time and again after she failed the LDTs. I can't imagine he wouldn't have.

I'm not so sure it's a revenge thing against Kaine. If she's involved, it may be just the simplest of all explanations and what usually is the case in these situations -- selfishness, wanting to be free to live her life the way she wanted and without anyone who didn't fit into her plan.

I just can't see someone taking care of a child that many years and then being able to harm them in any way, but of course it does happen (with both step and natural parents). My other thought is that if she did something to Kyron, it might've been because he learned about something she didn't want known.

I'm not completely convinced either, but I am suspicious that she at least holds some information that would help in finding Kyron. If she didn't break for the local LE, FBI and Kaine and Desiree before, I don't think she'd crack now even if Kaine could get near her (between her atty and RO, don't think he could).

Good idea for a discusison...ty for posting.
 
  • #154
I don't think she'll crack for him. She will only reveal stuff that furthers her own agenda. I think the only time she'll let something slip is once she's already in prison. Until then, if her mouth moves, it's a lie. IMO.
 
  • #155
I'm not convinced of the evidence we've seen against Terri, but if she is guilty, then I feel it was all about getting revenge against Kaine. Maybe this is why LE can't get through to her & I believe the only person who could is Kaine. If I was Kaine I wouldn't be able to stop myself from seeing Terri & demand to know where my child is. I feel that after all the time they've been apart she may just break if she's him again.
I know perhaps LE won't let this happen & maybe Kaine never wants to see her again, but if she is the key to finding Kyron it may be worth a try.


I respectfully disagree..No one can get through to a narcissistic sociopath.. Last thing KH should ever do is attempt to have any contact her..Only purpose it would serve would be to feed her EGO..JMHO
 
  • #156
*lol* I know I thanked everyone so far, but...that's because you ALL made some very good points!

This is a very interesting topic!
 
  • #157
Desiree said she thought Terri took Kyron because of revenge, there are rumours floating around the web about why she is angry at him. Not sure if these are true so won't go into them, but I genuinely feel that Kaine is the only 1 who could get any info from Terri. I know he probably tried & tried with her before, but it's such a desparate situation. I couldn't imagine how hard it must be to be in that situation.
 
  • #158
I respectfully disagree..No one can get through to a narcissistic sociopath.. Last thing KH should ever do is attempt to have any contact her..Only purpose it would serve would be to feed her EGO..JMHO

Wouldn't he be violating his own restraining order if he tried to contact her?


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  • #159
The only way he could have an impact at this point is to recognize that the MFH "plot" if there is no proof, needs to be put aside, he should ask to have the retraining order lifted, he should agree mediation on the best interests of Baby K. Working through a third party to connect and establish a healthy basis for Baby K to have the support of both parents could lead to a less strained relationship between the two parents that should benefit their youngest child and the investigation into the circumstances surrounding Kyron's disappearance.
 
  • #160
Wouldn't he be violating his own restraining order if he tried to contact her?


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Yes, he would..And I should have added that to my post but was thinking more in line of reasons not to feed her EGO..JMHO
 
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