Terri's Armchair Psych Profile

[froginTtown]

nope - not scared away...I work an hour away from home and I have 2 babies in diapers when I walk thru the door at dinner time..you know how that goes...

I edited the thread title to exclude the munchausen thing because I was a little off base using that term to classify my point. I wanted to get the ball rolling on potential syndromes terri may emulate thru her actions and reactions and its working...thanks all for the input...please disregard the munchausen view.

:angel::angel: I know exactly how you feel 32... I started a thread about .." Is this just a marital dispute between Terri and Kaine" ... something like that... Everytime I use the word "just" I think twice.. :blushing: :blushing: (It was my first thread...)

 

[cluciano63]

I'm not trying to be rude, but has the LS's name been confirmed? I've seen it in various forms all over the internet but never in a news article.

 

[Kimster]

I'm not trying to be rude, but has the LS's name been confirmed? I've seen it in various forms all over the internet but never in a news article.

Not that I'm aware of, which is why I asked. :wink:

 

[froginTtown]

I'm not trying to be rude, but has the LS's name been confirmed? I've seen it in various forms all over the internet but never in a news article.

right... thats why I'm curious too... Just fishing I guess... because I don't have the programs to do it... I'm trying to figure out that angle..:waitasec:

 

[txsvicki]

How strange that Kaine would say that the baby is a totally different kid. It's the same thing Terri said about her son after getting away from Kaine. I'd sure like to know how she changed, if it was from hyper to more calm or irritable to happy and smiling, or what. There's not much evidence for munchausen's yet, but I have wondered if Kyron's eyesight wasn't as bad as was let on. There are some pics of him with what look to be very thick glasses and some with much less. One video shows him looking around like he can't see very well out of his glasses. I also thought he slept way too long for an almost eight year old. Twelve hours seems so long and then to not even get up when he woke.

 

[just]

I do think when this all comes down, we will find out TH is a very disturbed individual. For me, the sexting took her personality to a new level. Let's look at what type of woman sext's:
1) while her beautiful stepson is missing with a best case (statistically) scenario of him being molested and held against his will, worst case scenario he was tortured and murdered.
2) her husband fled, filed for divorce and took the baby (which for any mom we know at that age it's like your heart being ripped out of your chest when you have to be away from a toddler very long - yet she doesn't fight for custody - or even supervised visits when mind you even drug addicts get)
3) she knows she's a suspect and must know she wiretapped/under surveillance (she did purchase phones via friends --meaning she knows LE will get the sext's) and she does it anyways.
4) She tried to hire a landscaper to murder her husband months earlier yet draws more attention to herself with explicit, raunchy photos to her husband's old high school buddy.

Who does that? Seriously? My guess is a sociopath with grandiose delusions and possibly in a psychotic state. Definitely someone that needs a mental evaluation and who I'm assuming will get one in prison ASAP, when she heads that way.

And as for the baby's better overall demeanor, (versus crying mommy mommy mommy like most do), it's very telling...but, I doubt DY and KH would say if the baby cried out for TH.

 

[debs]

How strange that Kaine would say that the baby is a totally different kid. It's the same thing Terri said about her son after getting away from Kaine. I'd sure like to know how she changed, if it was from hyper to more calm or irritable to happy and smiling, or what. There's not much evidence for munchausen's yet, but I have wondered if Kyron's eyesight wasn't as bad as was let on. There are some pics of him with what look to be very thick glasses and some with much less. One video shows him looking around like he can't see very well out of his glasses. I also thought he slept way too long for an almost eight year old. Twelve hours seems so long and then to not even get up when he woke.

That twelve hours was told as an endearing anecdote by his father with his mother sitting there nodding her assent to the veracity. It was never presented as anything more than as a demonstration of how Kyron wasn't adventurous. Curious.

 

[pufnstuf]

Not that I'm aware of, which is why I asked. :wink:

Considering the source that first named the LS, I don't put any stock in it. I've read so much crazy junk at that place that I don't even read there anymore, to keep from driving up ad-clicks there.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I do think when this all comes down, we will find out TH is a very disturbed individual. For me, the sexting took her personality to a new level. Let's look at what type of woman sext's:
1) while her beautiful stepson is missing with a best case (statistically) scenario of him being molested and held against his will, worst case scenario he was tortured and murdered.
2) her husband fled, filed for divorce and took the baby (which for any mom we know at that age it's like your heart being ripped out of your chest when you have to be away from a toddler very long - yet she doesn't fight for custody - or even supervised visits when mind you even drug addicts get)
3) she knows she's a suspect and must know she wiretapped/under surveillance (she did purchase phones via friends --meaning she knows LE will get the sext's) and she does it anyways.
4) She tried to hire a landscaper to murder her husband months earlier yet draws more attention to herself with explicit, raunchy photos to her husband's old high school buddy.

Who does that? Seriously? My guess is a sociopath with grandiose delusions and possibly in a psychotic state. Definitely someone that needs a mental evaluation and who I'm assuming will get one in prison ASAP, when she heads that way.

And as for the baby's better overall demeanor, (versus crying mommy mommy mommy like most do), it's very telling...but, I doubt DY and KH would say if the baby cried out for TH.

I am not sure I see it the same way you do. We just cannot predict how someone acts during traumatic times. Just look at Cynthia Somers behavior right after her knight in shinning armor husband suddenly died. OMG that woman just went wild with wet t-shirt contests and having sexual trysts with others immediately.

I remember when my aunt's husband died and she had lived with this man and dearly loved him for 60 years but it was as if she was more concerned over how her dress looked that she was going to wear to the funeral than his death. It took her about a month to realize he was really gone and never coming back and then she went into a deep depression and cried all the time for months on end.

As far as the sexting.........when people feel hurt by a divorce or custody situation they can do some pretty stupid things. I always felt Terri did this to show herself she didn't need Kaine in her life anymore and could get another man to replace him easily.

I am not sure I put much faith into what Kaine says about their baby girl. Of course he is going to make it sound like baby K is much happier with him. Typical divorce/custody fodder imo. I think if baby K saw her mother today she would rushed to her arms and would be happy to see her.

IMO

 

[tequilla shots]

How strange that Kaine would say that the baby is a totally different kid. It's the same thing Terri said about her son after getting away from Kaine. I'd sure like to know how she changed, if it was from hyper to more calm or irritable to happy and smiling, or what. There's not much evidence for munchausen's yet, but I have wondered if Kyron's eyesight wasn't as bad as was let on. There are some pics of him with what look to be very thick glasses and some with much less. One video shows him looking around like he can't see very well out of his glasses. I also thought he slept way too long for an almost eight year old. Twelve hours seems so long and then to not even get up when he woke.

I would not be to worried about him sleeping for 12 hours, if that was his normal behavior. My 13 year old son sleeps about that long and has his entire life. Some kids just need more sleep than others do. At least my kids doctor didn't seem to worried about it.

 

[BeanE]

I've never heard of a child having an overnight miracle cure, particularly during a time of great stress. I've been searching and searching since Kaine and Desiree said the baby was a whole new child, to find something that would support that that could happen, and have been unable to find anything.

It just doesn't make sense to me that a baby, taken from her mother, even if that mother was angry or brought anger into the environment, at a time when the baby's life has been turned upside down, stressed dad, stressed biomom and stepdad of stepsibling staying in the house for a time, LE staying in the house for a time, LE and neighbors and friends and family coming and going, people crying and upset all around, etc etc etc, then the baby is taken from their mother with the stressed dad to a completely new environment, then whipped back from that new environment to their familiar home, now without all the people or the mom or the stepbrother there, that that baby would be a whole new child. I'd actually expect that baby to be acting out, having trouble sleeping, having trouble eating, being fussy, etc.

It just doesn't make sense to me. I hope Kaine will at some point elaborate a bit more so I can understand.

 

[Kat010]

I've never heard of a child having an overnight miracle cure, particularly during a time of great stress. I've been searching and searching since Kaine and Desiree said the baby was a whole new child, to find something that would support that that could happen, and have been unable to find anything.

It just doesn't make sense to me that a baby, taken from her mother, even if that mother was angry or brought anger into the environment, at a time when the baby's life has been turned upside down, stressed dad, stressed biomom and stepdad of stepsibling staying in the house for a time, LE staying in the house for a time, LE and neighbors and friends and family coming and going, people crying and upset all around, etc etc etc, then the baby is taken from their mother with the stressed dad to a completely new environment, then whipped back from that new environment to their familiar home, now without all the people or the mom or the stepbrother there, that that baby would be a whole new child. I'd actually expect that baby to be acting out, having trouble sleeping, having trouble eating, being fussy, etc.

It just doesn't make sense to me. I hope Kaine will at some point elaborate a bit more so I can understand.

Good points. And, the baby reportedly was sick with some kind of ear ailment. If the meds TH had picked up and given her worked, and she didn't have that ear problem any more, she'd be less fussy. No matter who was with her.

I hope that as time goes along, we learn more about KH. I wonder how he's doing working (has he gone back to work? dunno) and now having the house and the baby all to himself to care for. Or is he getting help, with someone else providing at least some child care? I hope someone has stepped up and helped him. It's weird--we keep reading about TH's friends helping her (even if it was an ill-advised bat phone shopping trip) and even defending her, but so far the only KH friend that seems to have surfaced and helped at all is MC. That to me seems very weird. I hope that there is a circle of friends and/or neighbors who have brought food in, and helped out. Around here that would be the standard thing to do.

 

[just]

I am not sure I see it the same way you do. We just cannot predict how someone acts during traumatic times. Just look at Cynthia Somers behavior right after her knight in shinning armor husband suddenly died. OMG that woman just went wild with wet t-shirt contests and having sexual trysts with others immediately.

I remember when my aunt's husband died and she had lived with this man and dearly loved him for 60 years but it was as if she was more concerned over how her dress looked that she was going to wear to the funeral than his death. It took her about a month to realize he was really gone and never coming back and then she went into a deep depression and cried all the time for months on end.

As far as the sexting.........when people feel hurt by a divorce or custody situation they can do some pretty stupid things. I always felt Terri did this to show herself she didn't need Kaine in her life anymore and could get another man to replace him easily.

I am not sure I put much faith into what Kaine says about their baby girl. Of course he is going to make it sound like baby K is much happier with him. Typical divorce/custody fodder imo. I think if baby K saw her mother today she would rushed to her arms and would be happy to see her.

IMO

I sincerely agree that grief can come out as anger, or a number of different 'odd' behaviors. But I am not hearing anyone that knows if an accused family member who has failed 2 lie detector tests *and* had alot of the above oddities has ever been found completely innocent. I'm taking everything as a whole - all the discrepancies together.

Maybe a lie detector thread needs it's own thread...will try to start one.

 

[Trident]

I don't believe Terri is suffering from any "syndrome". It's possible she was lashing out at the "stuff" being piled on her. I probably would have reacted in an UN-politically correct way myself, although not shown my body - I always thought I was too thin.

Anger at false accusations and bearing the brunt of everyone's sins may have caused her to act out. That would be understandable in my book.

My opinion only

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I watched a documentary once about a women who was trying to change some health/medicine laws in Florida because her daughter was very sick yet it was later found out that she was the one harming her daughter. Does anyone remember what her name was? I want to read more about it and do some comparisons.

Edit: Nevermind, I found it. It was Jennifer Bush if anyone wants to read up on it.

 

[sarah7855]

I agree with your assessment. Kaine worked at Intel, and was out every day. TH was the primary caretaker. If you step out of the work zone and get to know your child, of course she's going to be a new kid. In reality you just didn't know her.

Many working dads would probably say the same thing if their toddler was handed over to them 24/7.

MOO

Mel

BBM.

I don't think this is fair to say at all. Because of his full time work schedule, he doesn't know his own daughter?? And since she's been "handed to him" 24-7 now, he's getting to know her so she seems like a new kid? No, she wasn't "handed" to him. He chose to flee his home with his daughter to a safe place because he found out about a potential murder for hire plot involving his wife and a landscaper that she had been sexting with (and those sexts ended up being similar in content to the ones she sent to Kaine's high school buddy Mike Cook, whom she took up with very quickly after Kyron went missing)...point being, I don't think we can deduce that his daughter seems like a whole new kid to Kaine because he is just now getting to know her and didn't know her before thanks to his work schedule or a lack of involvement. We don't know Kaine's relationship with Baby K at all. He could be closer to her than Terri was...just saying. We don't know. Like so much else in this case.

bbm

IMO, this was just another dig at Terri--I don't think it needs analyzation...

No, pretty sure it was an answer to a reporter's question about Terri's lies. It was given as an example. So Kaine and Desiree are supposed to lie to the press about Terri's habit of lying?

:waitasec:

Just wondering how Desiree would know.

From the reports, it sounded like this blended family made an effort to get along and also do stuff together. Maybe she's spent a good amount of time with Baby K? We don't know. Also, Terri could have told her a lot of things via those long, frequent emails that she sent Desiree all the time. Again, we don't know. Desiree knew enough to form her impression about the subject, so clearly she knows something, somehow. We just don't know, and we can't assume that because we don't know, it didn't happen.

I can believe that the baby is different from before if there was alot of negative emotions or feelings going on in the home.

Kaine may be in denial it seems about alot of things in his own home, but I can believe if Terri was suffering at all with any kind of PPD, depression or anything else prior to Kyron's disappearance there may have been tension in the home.

Im sure there are things that have not been discussed. I don't know what the relationship was like normally in that family before , during or after Kyrons disappearance.

I can see the baby acting out during the period of DY and TY being at the home after Kyron's disappearance. With all the emotions going on in that household.

I don't know if Terri and Kaine were angry at one another and never argued but just didn't speak, that is highly uncomfortable for any child, I know from my own experience and some children will act out in that.

I would really like to know what was going on in the family dynamics weeks, months before Kyron disappeared.

Not only the emotional climate in the house (which I agree is a major factor), but my first thought when I heard that Baby K was a whole new kid was just that she's being interacted with a lot now. We all know that Terri spent a LOT of time on the computer, and we all know that you can't fully interact with a toddler when you are playing family feud or surfing facebook constantly. Or taking naked pics to send to your fling on the side and sexting. I think it is a combination of things that have caused Baby K to be a "whole new kid", and being played with and interacted with seems like it would be #1 on the list of "what's different now?".

bbm

Desiree and Kaine DID NOT say Terri couldn't do anything right - they indicated she was evil, hateful, lied, and is responsible for Kyron missing. They backed this up by 'gut feelings' and 'mother's intuition' and unsubstantiated hearsay of a MFH.

IMO the unsubstantiated/hearsay MFH that caused Kaine to bolt out the door with baby K was used by Desiree and Kaine to push their agenda on a national forum that Terri is the one and only murderous, psychopath who could have taken their precious boy. moo mho hoo

I feel strongly that Kaine and Desiree will one day regret pushing judgmental America into casting Terri as the murderous wrench who orchestrated the disappearance of Kyron. moo mhoo

"Unsubstantiated hearsay of a MFH"...unsubstantiated to you, to us, to the public. Not necessarily to LE, or to Kaine. "They backed this up by 'gut feelings' and 'mother's intuition'"...they might have used those explanations to back up their feelings to the press when asked the questions, but I am willing to bet anything that LE isn't backing up their case with things of that nature, they are using hard evidence. "I feel strongly that Kaine and Desiree will one day regret pushing judgmental America into casting Terri as the murderous wrench who orchestrated the disappearance of Kyron"...and I feel strongly that one day in the not too distant future (because this case is further along than most people realize, per LE last week), lots of people are going to feel this little thing called empathy when the evidence is made public and Terri's role in all of this is just as heinous as Kaine and Desiree suspected it was. Kaine and Desiree know Terri. They know the ins and outs of their daily life for the past how many years? They know the details. Knowing all this, and also knowing more details of the investigation than we know, they have come to suspect Terri in Kyron's disapperance. Whether or not we agree with that conclusion, we need to respect their right as the people that have lived this situation, as Kyron's family, to draw those conclusions. As for now, we just don't know A LOT of things and we need to all keep that in mind while we keep an open mind.

 

[Kat010]

BBM.

I don't think this is fair to say at all. Because of his full time work schedule, he doesn't know his own daughter?? And since she's been "handed to him" 24-7 now, he's getting to know her so she seems like a new kid? No, she wasn't "handed" to him. He chose to flee his home with his daughter to a safe place because he found out about a potential murder for hire plot involving his wife and a landscaper that she had been sexting with (and those sexts ended up being similar in content to the ones she sent to Kaine's high school buddy Mike Cook, whom she took up with very quickly after Kyron went missing)...point being, I don't think we can deduce that his daughter seems like a whole new kid to Kaine because he is just now getting to know her and didn't know her before thanks to his work schedule or a lack of involvement. We don't know Kaine's relationship with Baby K at all. He could be closer to her than Terri was...just saying. We don't know. Like so much else in this case.



No, pretty sure it was an answer to a reporter's question about Terri's lies. It was given as an example. So Kaine and Desiree are supposed to lie to the press about Terri's habit of lying?



From the reports, it sounded like this blended family made an effort to get along and also do stuff together. Maybe she's spent a good amount of time with Baby K? We don't know. Also, Terri could have told her a lot of things via those long, frequent emails that she sent Desiree all the time. Again, we don't know. Desiree knew enough to form her impression about the subject, so clearly she knows something, somehow. We just don't know, and we can't assume that because we don't know, it didn't happen.



Not only the emotional climate in the house (which I agree is a major factor), but my first thought when I heard that Baby K was a whole new kid was just that she's being interacted with a lot now. We all know that Terri spent a LOT of time on the computer, and we all know that you can't fully interact with a toddler when you are playing family feud or surfing facebook constantly. Or taking naked pics to send to your fling on the side and sexting. I think it is a combination of things that have caused Baby K to be a "whole new kid", and being played with and interacted with seems like it would be #1 on the list of "what's different now?".



"Unsubstantiated hearsay of a MFH"...unsubstantiated to you, to us, to the public. Not necessarily to LE, or to Kaine. "They backed this up by 'gut feelings' and 'mother's intuition'"...they might have used those explanations to back up their feelings to the press when asked the questions, but I am willing to bet anything that LE isn't backing up their case with things of that nature, they are using hard evidence. "I feel strongly that Kaine and Desiree will one day regret pushing judgmental America into casting Terri as the murderous wrench who orchestrated the disappearance of Kyron"...and I feel strongly that one day in the not too distant future (because this case is further along than most people realize, per LE last week), lots of people are going to feel this little thing called empathy when the evidence is made public and Terri's role in all of this is just as heinous as Kaine and Desiree suspected it was. Kaine and Desiree know Terri. They know the ins and outs of their daily life for the past how many years? They know the details. Knowing all this, and also knowing more details of the investigation than we know, they have come to suspect Terri in Kyron's disapperance. Whether or not we agree with that conclusion, we need to respect their right as the people that have lived this situation, as Kyron's family, to draw those conclusions. As for now, we just don't know A LOT of things and we need to all keep that in mind while we keep an open mind.

First of all, it's logical, to me at least, that when a parent is home all day, vs. 10 hours at work (8 plus 2 commuting estimate), that parent has spent more time during the day with the child than the parent who's away. Parent at work comes home in the evening--joining the at-home parent, who's still there with child. My mother sometimes worked when I was a child, and I can tell you that there's a difference in the time spent with a child when a parent is at work vs. home.

I didn't read any comments as KH not "knowing" his daughter. I read it simply as -- she was the at-home parent.

And we don't know that she's getting interacted with more. I don't know what went on in the Horman home. I wasn't there. I'm not at KH's home clocking his time with the baby. I'll note that if he's back to work, he's working plus fundraisers plus trip to Oprah plus media, so he's a busy guy. And we haven't seen the baby with him on all these things. So he spends time away from her.

About the bbm: I find it ironic talking about TH spending time on the computer when we're all having this conversation in a forum where many--some of whom have children--spend hours on the computer to discuss on this forum and research the case! It's kind of like when Th got 'dissed for going to the gym--with Kaine, who was with her (video from one news station) and who never got 'dissed. I don't get it. We all have various life activities and if one is wrong for doing "A" then the person who's in the same boat has to be wrong for doing "A" too. Or maybe nobody's wrong.

As for FB, one quote "hitting the gym" has been repeated over and over again from TH. However, no one seems to quote all her posts thanking people, talking about getting flyers, etc. KH, as far as I know from what I read, never posted anything about Kyron or thanking anyone. Bottom line--we all turn to what's routine and feels "comfortable". I have one internet group I turn to under stress. So I don't find a computer-oriented person interacting on the computer weird. Well, OK, except for me. I'm weird. ;}


I also don't get the sexting, but others have offered good insights into reactions. I do get the belief that Desiree knows a great deal about TH, but speaking as a woman, let's face it--when a woman doesn't like another woman, or has old issues with that woman, we run "what we know" through a filter that tends to be negative. When I hear comments from people who've been involved in painful situations together, I tend to take those comments with a grain of salt. Just me.

If LE has hard facts and evidence, I'll listen. I'm craving hard facts and evidence. However, we don't have them now, which is very frustrating. I don't know if Th really "failed" any LDT. All I know is what KH said that TH said that the police told her. Maybe they lied. Maybe she tested "inconclusive" on 1 or 1 questions. Without knowing those questions, I can't evaluate those tests. I wonder if we'll ever actually know the results.

I wonder if we'll ever actually know a lot of things. I wonder if we'll ever find Kyron and know what happened to him.

And that bothers me, a lot.

 

[gitana1]

BBM.

I don't think this is fair to say at all. Because of his full time work schedule, he doesn't know his own daughter?? And since she's been "handed to him" 24-7 now, he's getting to know her so she seems like a new kid? No, she wasn't "handed" to him. He chose to flee his home with his daughter to a safe place because he found out about a potential murder for hire plot involving his wife and a landscaper that she had been sexting with (and those sexts ended up being similar in content to the ones she sent to Kaine's high school buddy Mike Cook, whom she took up with very quickly after Kyron went missing)...point being, I don't think we can deduce that his daughter seems like a whole new kid to Kaine because he is just now getting to know her and didn't know her before thanks to his work schedule or a lack of involvement. We don't know Kaine's relationship with Baby K at all. He could be closer to her than Terri was...just saying. We don't know. Like so much else in this case.



No, pretty sure it was an answer to a reporter's question about Terri's lies. It was given as an example. So Kaine and Desiree are supposed to lie to the press about Terri's habit of lying?



From the reports, it sounded like this blended family made an effort to get along and also do stuff together. Maybe she's spent a good amount of time with Baby K? We don't know. Also, Terri could have told her a lot of things via those long, frequent emails that she sent Desiree all the time. Again, we don't know. Desiree knew enough to form her impression about the subject, so clearly she knows something, somehow. We just don't know, and we can't assume that because we don't know, it didn't happen.



Not only the emotional climate in the house (which I agree is a major factor), but my first thought when I heard that Baby K was a whole new kid was just that she's being interacted with a lot now. We all know that Terri spent a LOT of time on the computer, and we all know that you can't fully interact with a toddler when you are playing family feud or surfing facebook constantly. Or taking naked pics to send to your fling on the side and sexting. I think it is a combination of things that have caused Baby K to be a "whole new kid", and being played with and interacted with seems like it would be #1 on the list of "what's different now?".



"Unsubstantiated hearsay of a MFH"...unsubstantiated to you, to us, to the public. Not necessarily to LE, or to Kaine. "They backed this up by 'gut feelings' and 'mother's intuition'"...they might have used those explanations to back up their feelings to the press when asked the questions, but I am willing to bet anything that LE isn't backing up their case with things of that nature, they are using hard evidence. "I feel strongly that Kaine and Desiree will one day regret pushing judgmental America into casting Terri as the murderous wrench who orchestrated the disappearance of Kyron"...and I feel strongly that one day in the not too distant future (because this case is further along than most people realize, per LE last week), lots of people are going to feel this little thing called empathy when the evidence is made public and Terri's role in all of this is just as heinous as Kaine and Desiree suspected it was. Kaine and Desiree know Terri. They know the ins and outs of their daily life for the past how many years? They know the details. Knowing all this, and also knowing more details of the investigation than we know, they have come to suspect Terri in Kyron's disapperance. Whether or not we agree with that conclusion, we need to respect their right as the people that have lived this situation, as Kyron's family, to draw those conclusions. As for now, we just don't know A LOT of things and we need to all keep that in mind while we keep an open mind.

Thank you for this post. Well said, IMO.

 

[wickedeye]

I wonder how many times in the school year Kyron was ill? How ill? Did he recover? What does Desiree think? Did Desiree ever have any kidney problems before Terri was in the picture?

 

[debs]

I wonder how many times in the school year Kyron was ill? How ill? Did he recover? What does Desiree (the RN ) think? Did Desiree ever have any kidney problems before Terri was in the picture?

Desiree isn't an RN. She works at an auto dealer.