Terri's friends want to distance themselves after being dragged into investigation

[21merc7]

Given that LE wanted DD's home searched, which means trying to put some sort of blame on her plate, I would not take a lie detector test either. She is well aware of these tactics given her family relationship, and knows better. I would run to the best danged attorney I could find, tell everyone they can talk to my lawyer. Seen too many cases where talking with LE, lie detector or not, is not in your best interest, unless you have a lawyer at your side. "Everything you say, can and will be, used against you." Just saying.

Now, if they just asked my relationship to the person, if I knew anything, I would answer. Probably b/c I would not know anything. I am always "late" on the action, lol.

 

[txsvicki]

To heck with poygraphs which can be unreliable. They need to get a sepina (sp?) and check this woman's cell phone activity, pings, financial records, vehicle, home, and computer activity. If she's not willing to cooperate, then make her do it legally. The time she's suddenly unaccounted for is after the time that Terri was supposedly out driving rural roads with a cranky baby.

 

[Donjeta]

Also, how do we know that DS is not one of the friends included in this bunch that has distanced themselves from TMH?

I'm just trying to figure out the intense focus on DS as opposed to the other two who were also searched this week.

JMO but the way the article http://www.katu.com/news/local/99146044.html is written it reads like DD is not who they mean when they say the friends have distanced themselves. That's not to say that Terri and her haven't grown more distant as well, just that the article writer sets her apart from the other two friends.

DDS is mentioned by name in the first paragraph so I assume that the reporter is not likely to refer to her as an anonymous friend later

One woman, who is moving out of a home in Tigard, said she underwent a polygraph test and had investigators come to her home with a search warrant within the last week.

She and another friend of Terri Horman said they’re cooperating fully with detectives since they have nothing to hide.

Both said they feel they’ve been dragged into the investigation by simply being supportive of Terri and doing things like visiting her at her home.

The woman moving from Tigard is not her and I don't think the second friend is either because the article would say "she and Dede Spicher", imo. It would be more scoopworthy if they'd gotten an actual quote from DDS so no need to hide behind another friend.

Then we have the story of a friend who says she took the polygraph and IMO it's a different friend from DDS because the next paragraph clearly sets them apart.

She said she passed her polygraph.

As for DeDe Spicher, according to sources, her condominium in Tualatin was searched last week and investigators took her computer and phone.

 

[LillyRush]

Well, at this point, I feel like the parents are deeming anyone uncooperative who does not have the exact answer that they want right at the moment that they want it. I'm sorry and I know I need sleep. lol But, that is just my opinion. I do feel for them, I do. The fact of the matter is that some people are being questioned and searched who may, in the end, actually not know anything. I'm not saying that I know that (of course) or even believe that for sure, just making a point.

The media is saying that DS's timeline is suspicious because she was doing a landscaping job and then "all of a sudden" left at 11:30 am. I don't know. Isn't that lunch time for some people? Maybe she "all of a sudden" had to pee and then went to lunch right afterwards. Maybe she suddenly realized she needed to pay a bill and that she'd need to take a longer lunch to get that done. But, more importantly, wouldn't that timeline coincide with TMH's timeline of being at the gym..which I'm guessing could be proven by the gym's database, a swipe of her gym card, etc?

 

[21merc7]

Well, at this point, I feel like the parents are deeming anyone uncooperative who does not have the exact answer that they want right at the moment that they want it. I'm sorry and I know I need sleep. lol But, that is just my opinion. I do feel for them, I do. The fact of the matter is that some people are being questioned and searched who may, in the end, actually not know anything. I'm not saying that I know that (of course) or even believe that for sure, just making a point.

The media is saying that DS's timeline is suspicious because she was doing a landscaping job and then "all of a sudden" left at 11:30 am. I don't know. Isn't that lunch time for some people? Maybe she had to pee and then went to lunch right afterwards. Maybe she suddenly realized she needed to pay a bill and that she'd need to take a longer lunch to get that done. But, more importantly, wouldn't that timeline coincide with TMH's timeline of being at the gym..which I'm guessing could be proven by the gym's database, a swipe of her gym card, etc?

Lilly I agree. What if none of these people knows anything? Just a scary thought for Kyron, but one that bothers me every day.

Also agree DS could have been doing any number of things. (What is she had, um, the runs, ifykwim), or it was just her lunch break and she was late meeting a friend? All sorts of possibilities. I hope she tells her lawyer, if she has one, and I hope it is something mundane.

Just wish there was more searching for Kyron going on. Still afraid it could be a predator snatch. Can't rule anything out yet, being that we don't have any evidence not to.

 

[LillyRush]

To heck with poygraphs which can be unreliable. They need to get a sepina (sp?) and check this woman's cell phone activity, pings, financial records, vehicle, home, and computer activity. If she's not willing to cooperate, then make her do it legally. The time she's suddenly unaccounted for is after the time that Terri was supposedly out driving rural roads with a cranky baby.

I thought she was driving the roads with baby K from 10 something am until 11:39 am when she went to the gym. At least, that is what it says in the timeline article I just read. So, actually, DS's so-called unaccounted for time would be during a time when TMH's timeline can (or should easily) be accounted for...Since they are so specific about the gym time, 11:39 to be exact, I'm guessing they are basing that on clocked in information in the gym database.

 

[LillyRush]

JMO but the way the article http://www.katu.com/news/local/99146044.html is written it reads like DD is not who they mean when they say the friends have distanced themselves. That's not to say that Terri and her haven't grown more distant as well, just that the article writer sets her apart from the other two friends.

DDS is mentioned by name in the first paragraph so I assume that the reporter is not likely to refer to her as an anonymous friend later



The woman moving from Tigard is not her and I don't think the second friend is either because the article would say "she and Dede Spicher", imo. It would be more scoopworthy if they'd gotten an actual quote from DDS so no need to hide behind another friend.

Then we have the story of a friend who says she took the polygraph and IMO it's a different friend from DDS because the next paragraph clearly sets them apart.

I see what you're saying. But, I also see that DDS is apparently the only one of the three who would not give a soundbite or quote to the media. Would the reporter(s) put more heat or sensationalism around someone who wouldn't speak to them at all? I think....maybe.

 

[Donjeta]

At least they might be more courteous protecting the names of the people who agreed to give a statement on that condition.

Since we don't have a quote from DDS, TH or LE about it we don't know if DDS has distanced herself from TH or not and I think the reporter didn't know either because the reporter spoke to the two anonymous friends and they might not know if they're keeping their distance from both TH and DS. I don't know if it counts as sensationalism in my book; IMO it would have been wrong for them to write an article implying that DS distances herself from TH if they don't have a source saying so.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I wonder what LE took, if anything, from the other friends' homes upon which they served search warrants. Those friends were interrogated for hours, and polygraphed. I wonder what they know, if anything. I wonder what furnished probable cause for the search warrants on their homes. I wonder if they were represented by counsel. The warrant would make me feel like a target.

I wonder if these people refused to answer LE's questions earlier in the investigation, and the search warrant scared them into it.

 

[Donjeta]

I wonder if Terri ever had access to their computers or if she showed the sealed RO to them.

 

[gitana1]

I've been trying to catch up after a very long week. But, I just read two articles where it states specifically that DS's home was searched this week by FBI. So, I don't get it. How exactly is that not cooperating? Did LE say she wasn't? The only place where I've seen it mentioned that she supposedly isn't cooperating is in the email from KH, DY and TY, all of whom have seemed to have a different definition so far of cooperation than LE.

They likely got a subpoena to search. That means it's involuntary.

It sounds like that to me too -- a stealth attack, so to speak, and certainly not unheard of. That would worry me a lot, were I DS, whether I was innocent or guilty. I would be shocked and frightened if LE showed up at my door with a search warrant.

They would not need one if it were me. I'd invite them in to search for anything that may help find a missing baby.

Yes but what are the odds that a random non-involved person becomes the defendant simply because she told where she was that day? If you cooperate at least you have a chance that they can verify your story and you can demonstrate that you're on the straight and narrow but if you refuse to cooperate you may easily look like a suspect anyway.

I would be pretty mad if my children refused to help in a missing child investigation because it's just not right. (IMO)

I agree with you. You sound like you raised your kids to do right. If LE contacted me about a missing kid, I'd give DNA, let them search my records, do a LDT, whatever, without speaking to an attorney first. And I am an attorney myself. (Of course, this is assuming I had nothing to do with a kid's disappearance).
Sure, no one has to cooperate but gosh! We are talking about a precious boy here who has not been in his own bed for weeks. A vulnerable little kid who is without his parents. I would want to assist in any way in bringing the child home to his parents. The faster they could clear people who were not involved and focus their case, the better chance they would have at finding the child.
I know LDTs are not always accurate but if innocent, I would feel confident that I would be cleared. LDTs are only one tool LE uses. I guess my own rights and risks would not be paramount in my mind at such a time. The missing child's would be.
A missing kid is one of the absolute worst things in the world. Not helping would be reprehensible.

 

[BeanE]

Also, how do we know that DS is not one of the friends included in this bunch that has distanced themselves from TMH?

I'm just trying to figure out the intense focus on DS as opposed to the other two who were also searched this week.

It's curious, isn't it? If you look at the family's statment, they're all over DS, and not the least bit concerned about the other two. Maybe the other two took polys and passed, and DS won't take a poly?

We have been informed that they have identified a person that has been in close communication with Terri Moulton Horman since Kyron went missing and her name is DeDe Spicher. She has not only been in close communication with Terri but has been providing Terri with support and advice that is not in the best interests of our son.

Additional information provided shows that she is refusing to cooperate with law enforcement, she is also going as far as to suggest to others that may have information regarding Kyron's disappearance, not to cooperate as well.

We implore DeDe Spicher to come forward and cooperate with the investigators in any way that they need in order to assist us in finding our son. We will state further that if we find out through the investigation that she caused a delay in us finding our son due to her lack of cooperation, we will pursue civil remedies in this matter.

We as a family cannot understand how anyone can look at Kyron's smiling face, having information and choose not to help bring him home. Please remember what this is about, it's about bringing a wonderful little boy back to his family.

 

[Jules_SA]

FWIW, DeDe's blog no longer exists...

 

[BeanE]

If I had a friend, no matter how close, and they wouldn't take a poly in a missing child case, I very definitely would distance myself. I'd tell them that they are an adult and perfectly capable of defending themself and taking care of themself, and that children are defenseless, and this particular child, the missing child, is additionally in grave danger.

I'd tell them to give me a call after they took the poly, but until then, I just wouldn't have any support to offer them. If it ended the friendship, I would be sad, but that's just the way it is.

Children first. Always. They are defenseless. We (adults) are not.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

To me, that is the strangest thing about this case. LE is tight-lipped, but appear to be leaking information to the media through the victims. The trouble is that the information LE is leaking, if indeed they are, may not be complete or accurate.

What worries me is that the FBI has been involved in cases in which innocent people's reputations were destroyed by the media after the FBI leaked information about the investigations and their suspicions. Two of those people were Richard Jewell and Stephen Hatfill.

Since your an attorney, maybe you can answer something that came to me last night. If LE is putting KH, DY and TY up to making the statements they have been making, could it not be argued that they (KH, DY and TY) are now in fact agents of the state? Just curious, I thought of this last night when I read some opinions that LE is working with them to make the statements they have been making. TIA.

 

[BlOnDe_GuRrL]

What an absolute nightmare.
The other 2 people who had their places searched were a lady and her daughter. Her daughter is away at school 1000 miles away (the undisclosed location) The only reason why they searched their places was because Terri had made plans back in May to take the kids to visit the week of 6/7.
I think this was just a part of LE's "master plan" to break down her support system. They knew they weren't going to find anything there...

 

[BeanE]

What an absolute nightmare.
The other 2 people who had their places searched were a lady and her daughter. Her daughter is away at school 1000 miles away (the undisclosed location) The only reason why they searched their places was because Terri had made plans back in May to take the kids to visit the week of 6/7.
I think this was just a part of LE's "master plan" to break down her support system. They knew they weren't going to find anything there...

Is there a news article about this? I saw something somewhere about the search being a place where Terri had planned a vacation, but I don't remember it being a mother and daughter etc.

(I'm just waking up. Brain not working yet because I haven't had my second cup.)

 

[Donjeta]

The media is saying that DS's timeline is suspicious because she was doing a landscaping job and then "all of a sudden" left at 11:30 am. I don't know. Isn't that lunch time for some people? Maybe she "all of a sudden" had to pee and then went to lunch right afterwards. Maybe she suddenly realized she needed to pay a bill and that she'd need to take a longer lunch to get that done. But, more importantly, wouldn't that timeline coincide with TMH's timeline of being at the gym..which I'm guessing could be proven by the gym's database, a swipe of her gym card, etc?

sbm

It would sound very normal to have lunch at about that time but this article makes it sound like she might have been expected to have lunch with the person/s she worked with.

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/DeDe-Spicher-99077874.html

Another person working at the home called Spicher to come in for lunch, and the homeowner called Spicher on her cell phone but she wasn't reachable. Detectives have questioned both the homeowner and the other person who was working at the home that day.

 

[ThoughtFox]

What an absolute nightmare.
The other 2 people who had their places searched were a lady and her daughter. Her daughter is away at school 1000 miles away (the undisclosed location) The only reason why they searched their places was because Terri had made plans back in May to take the kids to visit the week of 6/7.
I think this was just a part of LE's "master plan" to break down her support system. They knew they weren't going to find anything there...

Not necessarily - they seem to be searching for emails on computers, correspondance, calendars - a paper trail and anything that could show Terri's intentions and frame of mind.

If these people were willing to cooperate, LE wouldn't need a search warrant. If they aren't cooperating in the search for a missing little boy, then red flags go up and bells go off about a possible obstruction of justice or conspiracy of silence among the friends.

 

[Calliope]

One woman, who is moving out of a home in Tigard, said she underwent a polygraph test and had investigators come to her home with a search warrant within the last week.

She and another friend of Terri Horman said they’re cooperating fully with detectives since they have nothing to hide.

Both said they feel they’ve been dragged into the investigation by simply being supportive of Terri and doing things like visiting her at her home.

But both said they are stepping away from the situation as much as they can because it’s simply not something they want to be connected with anymore.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99146044.html

Fair-weather friends.