Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #10 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

[oaktree]

“She notified him and there certainly didn’t seem to be any notion of surprise – just a report that ‘you’re being watched’”

I've seen this quote several times, but tonight was the first time the bolded part stood out to me. If true, I guess that could suggest KRT knew something beforehand.

 

[i.b.nora]

Do you have a link to that expert's comments? I'd be very interested in reading the fine print--thanks!

I did not see the specific segment that Elainera saw but, Jeff Toomey, a legal guy, has been commenting on this case since the very beginning for CNN. He has been on Anderson Cooper's second show this week (all week) 10 PM EDT, 7 PM PDT. And I have heard him state the same thing. His explanation makes sense to me but I couldn't possible restate it.

I would google him and see if there is a transcript available.

 

[CARIIS]

All this started for me when the Canadian entered the picture. It suddenly occurred to me he left with no intention of coming back. This could explain why they have not made “terrorist” ties in meaningful manner over there. He did not go there for terrorist stuff he had with America... He was following mom and dad. He was certainly not ok with boxing rejection because he was not “American”. So he leaves.

Then all the Canadian stuff goes down, and he is freaking out – has nowhere to go and comes back here – but he had to leave really quick (no passport just fleeing) so something was going on there or about to happen.

What am I missing?

Now! With the latest tidbit!

I agree with a lot of you. There is something rotten in Denmark here! It makes no sense that if I text you to take whatever (and the only thing that explains this is it was prearranged code talk!) a typical person would have some questions no? Why, are you killing yourself tonight etc. etc.? That makes just no sense.

And the other oddity is the whole piece about not wanting to look suspicious to the roommate. I do not want you to think I am a thief so I take another item worth more money that’s coo coo.

Just flat out makes NO sense does it?

Also confused why lots of people think it odd that a wife would call her husband when (if not involved – which thus far no) she sees him on TV being accused of being a terrorist.

I would find a spouse who does not give his or her partner a ring a ding (!) in this situation more problematic, no?

It amazing mystery!

 

[CARIIS]

just said it is NOT a crime to know of a crime and not report it, even the marathon bombing.

There is a bunch of not ratting out your spouse if married - you do not have to testify againist your husband/wife.

 

[CARIIS]

I haven't seen any actual report that KR warned TT, only speculation. For that matter, I haven't personally seen any report that the call occurred. Can you recall where this information came from?

And you know what else that said (just in a big picture this is just too much technology!) they will be able to go back and obtain the actual call (NOT only text or VM) but a regular conversation - they can get it!

So we will find out.................................

 

[Capri]

CNN news report mentions 2 Pell grants that Tamerlan got helped fund his college (toward the end of report) & that Uncle Alvi is working on funeral arrangements for TT's body.

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22...nts?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Devon]

You mean Dzhohar. Tamerlan is dead.

No, I meant Tamerlan.

There is no way back for him, whatever the truth is.

There is so much murkiness surrounding what happened on the night of 18 April that how or why he ended up as he did is not at all clear to me.

If he did what he has been accused of doing then he deserved that fate, but not otherwise. IMO.

At least DT will get a trial.

 

[CARIIS]

And if you think about it here was this all AMerican woman who drastically changes etc etc. So more and more I am starting to wonder if she knew something - if that so phone call not good! BUT, if she knows nothing then a spouse calling a spouse seems typical!

 

[Just K]

well, I found some more inconsistencies in the official complaint against the three friends. In one paragraph it states the three went to DT's dorm room around 6:00 PM and watched a movie for a few hours. But in a later paragraph it states that DK texted AT at 9:00 PM, while he was out shopping, and told him to meet him and AT at DT's dorm. This document appears to have lots of mistakes....UGH!!!!!

 

[oaktree]

well, I found some more inconsistencies in the official complaint against the three friends. In one paragraph it states the three went to DT's dorm room around 6:00 PM and watched a movie for a few hours. But in a later paragraph it states that AK texted RP at 9:00 PM, while he was out shopping, and told him to meet him and the other friend at DT's dorm. This document appears to have lots of mistakes....UGH!!!!!

I didn't interpret those as mistakes, but rather the information that each suspect gave to the FBI. In other words, their stories don't match.

 

[CARIIS]

Please tell me the American taxpayer is not obligated to pay for legal representation for the non-citizens.


I think so, they are being charged by AMerican justice system and will be going thro our court system - so I do think its on our bill.

Younger full citizen so there is no issue there taxpayer will pay.

 

[Just K]

I didn't interpret those as mistakes, but rather the information that each suspect gave to the FBI. In other words, their stories don't match.

I'll give it another look but it seemed like these were the words/summary of the Investigator/Author of the complaint.

 

[CARIIS]

I didn't interpret those as mistakes, but rather the information that each suspect gave to the FBI. In other words, their stories don't match.

Is this the same night?

 

[Just K]

Is this the same night?

Yes April 18th, 2013

 

[Elainera]

Yes, deoneta had the same observation a page or so back. I've been looking for the article where I'd read that, but can't locate it. As is seeming typical, the story details keep changing. (Even the official complaint has one of the college students giving about 3 different versions.) Interesting that DT and DK each deleted Facebook photos of themselves together about 15 minutes apart in the early hours of the morning, though. LE may still be in the process of checking all types of communications between the four. The details (and variations) are sure to keep coming, of that I'm sure.

What I don't understand is, the deleting of the fb photos was after the shootout where TT was killed, right? It was early Friday morning? That would mean Dt was injured and on the run but had his phone with him to delete photos?

Do you have a link to that expert's comments? I'd be very interested in reading the fine print--thanks!

Here you go. I bolded some important parts.

Source: http://livedash.ark.com/transcript/anderson_cooper_360/49/CNN/Wednesday_May_1_2013/642734/

00:20:14 This news first of all about the wife speaking with her husband after authorities released his photo the public, naming him as a suspect, if she knew her husband was a suspect, and didn't report him, is she in any legal jeopardy?
00:20:25 I mean, is there a spousal privilege?
00:20:29 >> Well, there is no spousal privilege for protecting against a crime like this.
00:20:34 And there is an old statute called misappropriation of felony if you know about a crime and fail to report it, you're guilty of a misdemeanor.
00:20:43 It's never prosecuted.
00:20:45 It really all depends on the nature of the conversation.
00:20:49 If she gave him any advice at all about how to keep from being be arrested, it could be a crime.
00:20:56 But if she just said, oh, my god, or something like that, knew about it, and failed to report, unlikely, but I suspect that the authorities are going to figure out some ground on which to actually arrest her and try to squeeze her and put pressure on her and see if she will cooperate more than she is currently cooperating.
00:21:17 That would not surprise me.
00:21:18 >> And professor, with regard to the three young men charged today with obstruction of justice, how do you see these charges?
00:21:24 Do they seem weak to you?
00:21:26 >> No.
00:21:27 The charges of obstruction of justice seem very strong.
00:21:31 If they, in fact, received a phone call after the pictures were on television, and as the result of that phone call, got rid of very crucial evidence, including a computer, what could be more important?
00:21:43 A computer which may have history of the past, indications of the future, contact information.
00:21:50 They either knew, actually knew that they were obstructing justice, or they should have known.
00:21:56 They were engaging in willful blindness.
00:21:58 They should have not prevented themselves from learning.
00:22:00 You don't just throw away a computer after a bombing like this when you see other kind of evidence, including the vaseline.
00:22:08 I don't think the government will have much trouble proving the kind of knowledge that's required for obstruction of justice.
00:22:15 As to the lying to the police and law enforcement authorities, that's always a hard crime to prove, because there is usually no transcript, no warning, most people don't know it's a crime to lie to law enforcement authorities.
00:22:28 It's often one word against the other.
00:22:30 But it's a serious crime here.
00:22:32 Not allowed to lie to law enforcement, particularly when investigating something as serious as terrorism.

and further down:
00:24:17 >> And professor, we have this charging document today where a dinner a month ago before the bombing, dzhokhar tsarnaev sitting with these two students and he tells them he knows how to make a bomb.
00:24:28 When you hear that, what's your reaction to that?
00:24:31 Do you think it undermines this notion they had no idea what was going on until they saw him talking about it on the news?
00:24:37 >> Well, it's not an independent crime.
00:24:40 People would be surprised to know it's not even a crime to know that somebody is planning to bomb the marathon and killing lots of people.
00:24:47 It's not a crimeo just know that and not report it.
00:24:50 You have to have more involvement to be a conspirator.
00:24:54 But it does relate to their state of knowledge when they helped destroy evidence.
00:24:59 So when they get the phone call, the knowledge they had weeks or months earlier is attributable to them, and they had to at that point have a suspicion.
00:25:09 And put one and one together and say, hey, wait a minute, are you asking me to dispose of bomb-making material?
00:25:15 Are you asking me to dispose of evidence?
00:25:17 I think they really had very little chance of prevailing if they put forward the defense of lack of knowledge, based on this combination of circumstances.
00:25:27 >> Interesting.

Please, if you can, could you summarize this for me? :seeya:

 

[CARIIS]

It's actually part of the explosives itself, mixed with paraffin and another two household items that have been pre-prepared/cooked it forms a somewhat powerful explosive.

So.......we all learned something today....................no smoking if your using Vasaline!!!!!!!!!!!! BOOM Lordy!

 

[oaktree]

I'll give it another look but it seemed like these were the words/summary of the Investigator/Author of the complaint.

I think it is a summary by the author of the complaint, but the summary just shows how their stories don't match. I could be wrong, but that's how I interpreted it. I had to reread it three times to make sense of it, until I realized that each suspect was giving a different story.

 

[oaktree]

What I don't understand is, the deleting of the fb photos was after the shootout where TT was killed, right? It was early Friday morning? That would mean Dt was injured and on the run but had his phone with him to delete photos?

I heard that what came to the attention of the FBI was that the FB account of one of the suspects and DT's FB account both changed their profile pictures at the same time. I believe CNN was conjecturing that one of the suspects had the password to DT's FB account.

 

[1&2&3]

Here's a thought - KR calls TT, so she must be watching television, internet, etc. so she learns of his death as we do. What does she do? Is she alone? Did TT tell her to clean out certain items from the apt? Did LE have agents watching the apt.?

IIRC, there has been no mention of items removed from their apt. by LE. A bit curious?! I saw LE picking KR and daughter up the next day from their apt, not her parents house.

 

[Isabelle]

just said it is NOT a crime to know of a crime and not report it, even the marathon bombing.

There is a bunch of not ratting out your spouse if married - you do not have to testify againist your husband/wife.

How does that work after the spouse is deceased?