Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #11 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

[Kimberlyd125]

Something is just so wrong with this whole scenario on what went down in that apt. last night! IMO

Yeah. A hot headed man with ties to rebels, terrorists, violent attacks in parking lots and triple murders went nuts and attacked a federal agent who was doing his job to investigate him to keep us safe.

 

[Just K]

Does anyone get the feeling that the bigger picture here might be that the goal of these Chechen young men might be to get shot by LE while others, still alive, try to stir the pot/suggesting that our government is targeting and attacking innocents...thus causing an international conflict/their actual terrorist goal?

 

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Something is just so wrong with this whole scenario on what went down in that apt. last night! IMO

I agree.... to a point and sometimes a scenario emerges that I hadn't imagined that does provide a sensible explanation. I'm still kind of thinking they weren't anticipating such a response from IT (maybe they should have). It seems to me given the estranged wife and friend claiming IT was not asked about the Waltham murders only carries with it 3 possibilities:

a. they are not telling the truth
b. they don't know what was really said to him because IT did not want to tell them about the Waltham murders (maybe it was good strategy to not ask the estranged wife about it anyway and why would they ask the friend?)
c. the investigators did not ask him about the Waltham murders till late in the game.

He already had another charge over his head. It's just one possibility and I think IT was dangerous just because he was so volatile regardless of whether he was involved in the Waltham murders. But if IT was involved, can you imagine how on edge he was about it? Imagine what his reaction was if they pinned him down with some evidence, then he confessed, then he got upset cause he knew it was game over. Why did his friend say IT thought he was going to get shot? Could be because he intended to commit suicide by cop? I'm not just taking law enforcements side. I could see a scenario where he lunged at the FBI agent with something but didn't have a knife. He could possibly be a deadly weapon himself and they knew that. Maybe it happened too quick, they reacted with deadly force.

 

[Capri]

Thanks Nana, I guess I misunderstood the post. I thought it meant they were selling some kind of fake i.d.'s through Amazon, directly. I remember the book list that I posted. I'm almost tempted to order a couple of those to see how easy/hard it is to do it & if it was really possible for them make some kind of at home version of a passport, that could get them through.

 

[Nana]

Thanks Nana, I guess I misunderstood the post. I thought it meant they were selling some kind of fake i.d.'s through Amazon, directly. I remember the book list that I posted. I'm almost tempted to order a couple of those to see how easy/hard it is to do it & if it was really possible for them make some kind of at home version of a passport, that could get them through.

I wouldn't touch those books with a ten foot pole!
I over heard some girls I work with talking about thier friends doing this to get food stamps and other give me's from the goverment (and by the way they were not here legally either)
I told them if I find out who they are and where they are their free ride would be over cause I would turn them in so fast it would make their head spin!!

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I agree.... to a point and sometimes a scenario emerges that I hadn't imagined that does provide a sensible explanation. I'm still kind of thinking they weren't anticipating such a response from IT (maybe they should have). It seems to me given the estranged wife and friend claiming IT was not asked about the Waltham murders only carries with it 3 possibilities:

a. they are not telling the truth
b. they don't know what was really said to him because IT did not want to tell them about the Waltham murders (maybe it was good strategy to not ask the estranged wife about it anyway and why would they ask the friend?)
c. the investigators did not ask him about the Waltham murders till late in the game.

He already had another charge over his head. It's just one possibility and I think IT was dangerous just because he was so volatile regardless of whether he was involved in the Waltham murders. But if IT was involved, can you imagine how on edge he was about it? Imagine what his reaction was if they pinned him down with some evidence, then he confessed, then he got upset cause he knew it was game over. Why did his friend say IT thought he was going to get shot? Could be because he intended to commit suicide by cop? I'm not just taking law enforcements side. I could see a scenario where he lunged at the FBI agent with something but didn't have a knife. He could possibly be a deadly weapon himself and they knew that. Maybe it happened too quick, they reacted with deadly force.

Just touching on the part about what he may have had in his hand:

The agent was stabbed multiple times.
He was injured enough to go to the hospital. So I think he definitely had something in his hand. Something that caused injury.

 

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Just touching on the part about what he may have had in his hand:

The agent was stabbed multiple times.
He was injured enough to go to the hospital. So I think he definitely had something in his hand. Something that caused injury.

Three law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said initially that Todashev had lunged at the FBI agent with a knife. However, two of those official s said later in the day it was no longer clear what had happened. The third official had not received any new information

http://tbo.com/ap/national/report-o...-agent-had-tie-to-boston-bombings-b82494998z1

IDK?

 

[time]

I read this before and it's another thing that doesn't make sense to me:

Todashev's father said his son gave up martial arts because of an injury and later held a number of jobs, including as a driver at a retirement home, before moving to Florida within the past year. Todashev had lived on and off with other Chechens in Kissimmee and had moved to Orlando more recently, friends said.

http://tbo.com/ap/national/report-o...-agent-had-tie-to-boston-bombings-b82494998z1

I thought he injured his knee just earlier this year? But maybe he injured it before and just had surgery in March?

"Todashev said he was only fighting to protect his knee because he had surgery in March," the report said. He told the police that he was a former mixed martial arts fighter, it said....Todashev had recently gotten his green card

Todashev was granted political asylum in 2008, but he came to the United States some time before that, a federal law enforcement official told CNN. Todashev had been living in the United States as a legal resident because of that asylum claim.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/justice/florida-fbi-shooting-boston/index.html

Also, his estrange wife didn't seem to know he came here before 2008.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://tbo.com/ap/national/report-o...-agent-had-tie-to-boston-bombings-b82494998z1

IDK?

But he was injured. Had to go to the hospital.

He had something to injure the agent with IMO.

http://m.nypost.com/p/news/national/fbi_agent_fatally_shoots_man_connected_ZFd8ShuJFsiilAsdz8NsAO

It wasn't immediately clear if the stabbed FBI agent was the same one who shot and killed Todashev. The wounded FBI agent was taken to the hospital and he was expected to survive his wounds, officials said.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I don't think there is a question of IF the agent was stabbed. Just WHAT he was stabbed with...

Law enforcement sources initially said Todashev stabbed the agent with a knife, but said Thursday there was confusion over what object Todashev used in the attack.

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=19231642

 

[Kimberlyd125]

In a statement, FBI spokesman Paul Bresson said the FBI agent who shot Todashev acted on an imminent threat.

Channel 9 learned Todashev stabbed the FBI agent twice before he was shot. The agent was transported to a hospital with non-life-threatening injuries.

http://m.wftv.com/news/news/local/officials-fbi-agents-shoot-kill-suspect-orlando-ap/nXyty/

Who is Paul Bresson?

http://m.fbi.gov/#http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-contacts/paul-bresson

Organization: US Terrorist Screening Center
Location: Washington, DC

 

[Just K]

Police kill man linked to Boston suspects, triple murder - USA Today
www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/22/fbi.../2350065/‎
2 days ago – FBI spokesman Paul Bresson said the agent acted on an "imminent threat"; Victim was shot while being questioned in an Orlando condo ...

 

[jjenny]

But he was injured. Had to go to the hospital.

He had something to injure the agent with IMO.

http://m.nypost.com/p/news/national/fbi_agent_fatally_shoots_man_connected_ZFd8ShuJFsiilAsdz8NsAO

It wasn't immediately clear if the stabbed FBI agent was the same one who shot and killed Todashev. The wounded FBI agent was taken to the hospital and he was expected to survive his wounds, officials said.

His friend isn't making any sense to me. FBI was pushing this guy to stay and not leave? They didn't have to push him. He couldn't leave, he was out on bond.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Well, it's apparent they were heavy on this guy and I get the feeling that there may be more we aren't privy to, other than the triple murder in Boston.

I'd like to see a timeline done on this guy if we could rely on accurate reporting.

We have a problem if we allow individuals in our country and their behavior is violent and defiant and they are allowed to stay. I know of a individual like this and they shouldn't be given these chances over and over. Their violence increases. It's hard for me to believe that he didn't have violent tendencies before he came to the US and that alone should have prevented him entry.

I take what the friend and father say with a grain of salt. I really doubt daddy knew what his son was up to here.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

His friend isn't making any sense to me. FBI was pushing this guy to stay and not leave? They didn't have to push him. He couldn't leave, he was out on bond.

No his friend isn't making any sense IMO. He talks as though he is very close to him and knows everything he does but it doesn't add up.

 

[SophieRose]

I think the father of IT is confused and thinks they went after his son because of the Boston bombings:

http://ruptly.tv/vod/view/1392/russ...pect-shot-dead-in-us-was-innocent-says-father


Grozny, Russia
May 22, 2013, 19:41 (GMT)

SOT: Abdul-Baki Todashev, Father of Ibragim Todashev (Russian): "He had a ticket for a flight back in May 24. They had his plans changed by killing him. That man lived in Boston, and my boy lived in Florida. He moved a year ago. When he still lived in Boston, they just attended the same gym, as it now turns out. If you didn't provoke him, he would never attacked anyone, he was very quiet. From what I heard, five or six police officers entered his house. I don't know much, really. How could he have attacked anyone, and a police officer in particular, with a knife, if there were five or six of them, and they were in his house? While in Florida, he underwent surgery to fix an injured knee, so it was impossible for him physically to be present anywhere. So when those bombings took place in Boston, he was still either in hospital or at home recovering from the surgery. He couldn't take part in the terror act because it wasn't physcially possible. After the surgery he had to learn how to walk anew. Like all Chechens, he practiced Islam, that's it. He never had any radical or extreme views. Before he came to the US, he lived and studied in the city of Saratov. When he completed his third year of studies, we moved to Grozny. Life had imrpoved in Chechnya so we repaired our house and moved back. So he moved too and began studying here at the local university. When he completed his fourth year, he asked me to let him go to the US to practice the English language which he studied here. When he spent some time there, he asked me if he could stay in the US because he obviously took a liking to the place. I told him he needed to complete his studies first. He replied he would come back in a few years' time, apply for the university again and complete the only year remaining."


I'm not sure he knew about a connection to the Waltham murders. And, I thought earlirr he said his son had not worked.

I don't know why IT was seeking political asylum if his father is saying he simply wanted to stay here because he liked it. But, here's the kicker....

"The Tsarnaev's mother, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, has said that Todashev and Tamerlan Tsarnaev saw each other regularly in Boston."

From the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/u...shooting-of-man-tied-to-tsarnaev.html?hp&_r=0

Mr. Todashev and Mr. Tsarnaev saw each other regularly in Boston before Mr. Todashev moved to Florida about two years ago, though they were not particularly close, Mr. Tsarnaev’s mother said in an interview in Russia.

“Tamerlan said he was a good guy, he said he was a boxer or some other kind of athlete,” Zubeidat Tsarnaeva said by telephone from Dagestan. She said she had broken down when she heard the news on Wednesday.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

Oh, mama Zubeidat,
Still such an idiat!

This woman has a need
To learn with all good speed

That when a question's posed
To keep her big mouth closed!

 

[claudicici]

But he was injured. Had to go to the hospital.

He had something to injure the agent with IMO.

http://m.nypost.com/p/news/national/fbi_agent_fatally_shoots_man_connected_ZFd8ShuJFsiilAsdz8NsAO

It wasn't immediately clear if the stabbed FBI agent was the same one who shot and killed Todashev. The wounded FBI agent was taken to the hospital and he was expected to survive his wounds, officials said.

I just don't get it.If it was the same agent that got stabbed what were all the others doing? Why weren't they able to detain him?????

 

[claudicici]

No his friend isn't making any sense IMO. He talks as though he is very close to him and knows everything he does but it doesn't add up.

He probably really doesn't know much about him.Maybe he didn't even know about the bond and the other case?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I just don't get it.If it was the same agent that got stabbed what were all the others doing? Why weren't they able to detain him?????

Well, I picture him sitting across the table from this guy and all of a sudden he lunges with a deadly weapon. It happens in a split second and he has that split second to react. With his training and knowledge he defends himself with his weapon. Imagine if the perp would have overpowered him and taken his gun away. I wouldn't risk my life "hoping" that he could be detained and have the situation turn out worse than it did by one or more of the officers potentially loosing their life. The few seconds it could have taken for the other officers to react and try and detain, could have resulted in his death.

I look at it this way. Officers of law are here to serve and protect us. I don't expect them to take unnecessary risks that would could result in the loss of their life. I would expect a officer to respond with deadly force if confronted with deadly force from a criminal.