Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #11 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

[CuriousGrace]

No, the ones who recognized DT called DT (not the FBI) and warned him and then went to DTs dorm and removed evidence. (and eventually getting arrested themselves)
Meanwhile, DT gave himself a short(er) haircut and he and his brother escalated their crimes by killing an MIT officer and hijacking a car with the intent of taking their leftover bombs to NY for another blowout. (JMO)

Who knows what would have happened if they did not publish those video footage and pictures....

That's not true, he allegedly cut his hair before his image had been released by FBI. Before that, no one was aware of the physical identity until FBI released those images.

 

[CuriousGrace]

I work in a hotel that's connected to a concert pavillion.There's lots of disturbances,I call L.E. many,many times.Often they question someone that caused disturbances and often this person becomes violent.They quickly restrain that person.Sometimes they use tasers.Noone was ever shot.They expect these things and they are prepared.

Exactly, they are highly trained for these situations. IT was unarmed, yes he may have become aggressive and violent, no argument there, but LE are trained to apprehend someone especially if they are clearly unarmed. That is why an internal investigation is expected and warranted. It makes little sense, that you would be interrogating someone will POSSIBLE weapons in sight, whether it be knife or pole etc, and not take prior appropriate cautions, with at least 5 to 8 LE men in an apartment.

 

[CARIIS]

Exactly, they are highly trained for these situations. IT was unarmed, yes he may have become aggressive and violent, no argument there, but LE are trained to apprehend someone especially if they are clearly unarmed. That is why an internal investigation is expected and warranted. It makes little sense, that you would be interrogating someone will POSSIBLE weapons in sight, whether it be knife or pole etc, and not take prior appropriate cautions, with at least 5 to 8 LE men in an apartment.

And why not WITH THIS SPECIFIC subject extra care not to shoot him dead. There sharpshooters I suppose they ought (4 of them) ought to be able to get a knee or something.

But the investigation has started and we shall see if we get a clear accounting of what transpired and why an unarmed, high value suspect, that could of POSSIBILY known something.

 

[CARIIS]

he is very fluid

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/31/justice/boston-brothers-gym/index.html?npt=NP1

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/u...ed-fbi-agent.html?partner=MYWAY&ei=5065&_r=1&

The shooting occurred after an F.B.I. agent from Boston and two detectives from the Massachusetts State Police had been interviewing Mr. Todashev for several hours about his possible involvement in a triple homicide in Waltham, Mass., in 2011, according to the law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing.

Mr. Todashev, according to the F.B.I., confessed to his involvement in the deaths and implicated Mr. Tsarnaev. He then started to write a statement admitting his involvement while sitting at a table across from the agent and one of the detectives when the agent briefly looked away, the official said. At that moment, Mr. Todashev picked up the table and threw it at the agent, knocking him to the ground.

While trying to stand up, the agent, who suffered a wound to his face from the table that required stitches, drew his gun and saw Mr. Todashev running at him with a metal pole, according to the official, adding that it might have been a broomstick.

The agent fired several shots at Mr. Todashev, striking him and knocking him backward. But Mr. Todashev again charged at the agent. The agent fired several more shots at Mr. Todashev, killing him. The detective in the room did not fire his weapon, the official said.

 

[claudicici]

respectfully, I don't think you can compare the two. Concertgoers, there to have a good time, that maybe just happen to get rowdy vs. someone who may have slit throats in a previous murder, being questioned by the FBI. JMHO

I absolutely agree.That's why they should have been even more prepared.

 

[Elley Mae]

"Rather than alert the agent and tip off Todashev that they sensed something was about to happened, [the trooper] texted the agent and said, 'Be careful, I think this guy is becoming more agitated,'" Miller said.

"As the agent looked down at that text, that's when the table went over, Todashev came over the table and picked up apparently a metal broom handle or some object like that ... and charged the agent. The agent as knocked back, came up with his gun, fired two or three times. Todashev came back at him and he fired more times."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_...e-was-shooting-of-ibragim-todashev-justified/

 

[CARIIS]

Wow, had not heard this disturbing piece of news. Just like younger, an unarmed kids brain is blown out after being stuck 6 times

Six shots in the body, one of them in the head,”


Read more: http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_05...demands-a-trial-of-his-son-s-FBI-killer-2444/

 

[KarmaGet'em]

That's not true, he allegedly cut his hair before his image had been released by FBI. Before that, no one was aware of the physical identity until FBI released those images.

I was wrong about the haircut. The rest is still correct.

 

[KarmaGet'em]

Wow, had not heard this disturbing piece of news. Just like younger, an unarmed kids brain is blown out after being stuck 6 times

Six shots in the body, one of them in the head,”


Read more: http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_05...demands-a-trial-of-his-son-s-FBI-killer-2444/

I would like to see the medical examiners report before accepting that the "kids" brain was blown out or that it was the "kill shot". Looking at the picture the father held up, it does not look to me like a "direct" shot to the head. It more looks like it grazed it sideways.

If you look up "shot to the head" images on google (warning, very graphic) you will see a lot more damage to the skull area in an execution style shot. I guess it depends if the bullet was found lodged in his brain or somewhere in the mans apartment.

 

[CARIIS]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/u...ed-fbi-agent.html?partner=MYWAY&ei=5065&_r=1&

The shooting occurred after an F.B.I. agent from Boston and two detectives from the Massachusetts State Police had been interviewing Mr. Todashev for several hours about his possible involvement in a triple homicide in Waltham, Mass., in 2011, according to the law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing.

Mr. Todashev, according to the F.B.I., confessed to his involvement in the deaths and implicated Mr. Tsarnaev. He then started to write a statement admitting his involvement while sitting at a table across from the agent and one of the detectives when the agent briefly looked away, the official said. At that moment, Mr. Todashev picked up the table and threw it at the agent, knocking him to the ground.

While trying to stand up, the agent, who suffered a wound to his face from the table that required stitches, drew his gun and saw Mr. Todashev running at him with a metal pole, according to the official, adding that it might have been a broomstick.

The agent fired several shots at Mr. Todashev, striking him and knocking him backward. But Mr. Todashev again charged at the agent. The agent fired several more shots at Mr. Todashev, killing him. The detective in the room did not fire his weapon, the official said.

his possible involvement in a triple homicide

while sitting at a table across from the agent

then we get
Todashev emerged from his bathroom

knife icepick sword or a long object they are so similiar I often get confused when trying to distinguish what is what.

 

[CARIIS]

Put on your thinking caps!

Out of the four images below (lets pretend!)

Which one is a icepick?


Of the pictures below which one is sword?


Identify a knife from the following pictures?



Select what is described as a long object:


Identify in 25 words or less what this may mean for you:

"while sitting at a table across from the agent"

Standing:

Lunging:

Hurling:

T or F:
Is this man emerging from his bathroom?

T or F
This man is pushing an agent into a wall.

T or F
This man is waving a sword ?



http://waltham.patch.com/articles/s...r-waltham-suspect-was-armed-when-fbi-shot-him

Breaking now from the Atlantic:
The latest law enforcement account has him charging an FBI agent with a pole -- or was it a broomstick? -- even after being shot.

Shoot I have to revise my pop quiz

Identify the pole:

Pick the broomstick:

one suggested he might have been reaching for a gun

Gosh = T or F
This man is reaching for a gun

others described him as unarmed

darn my test needs revisions

Does the man in this picture have a gun or not?

Mr. Todashev picked up the table

Is this man picking up a table?

hurling it across the room

Is this man hurling an object of some sort?

Identify possibilities : One dead person /one with a scrapes-- outline possiblities for the disparity:

Please identify possible reasons for the following behaviors: ......... this account has a police detective who ostensibly sees the table overturned, sees the FBI agent get injured, sees Todashev attacking with a poll, sees the injured agent draw and fire his gun as he tries to get up, sees Todashev knocked back and rushing forward again.

Please outline reasons why, in the above situation, the reasons why one individual in any room could feel threatened resulting in a trip to the the morgue while another professionial in the room, never pulled his weapon (Please utilize a compare and contrast approach to this question).

List 5 reasons why someone might be confused between a gun.knife,ice pick,broom,or sword (please be comprehensive):

Please identify 4 reasons why a confession being documented has been seen by noone or leaked?

From the following quote explain the obsticles encountered when trying to distinguish beween weapons: "He used some kind of weapon," the official said, and that prompted the FBI agent to shoot the suspect. (Be consise)

It's also quite a feat to be shot, struck, knocked backward, and charge again toward a gun, especially for a guy who, according to his friends, was in recovery from leg surgery.

Ugh I have to add another question to my pop quiz:

What superpowers do you think that someone who been under interogation for 8 hours,had 7 bullets within his body, , had been hurling objects about, waving swords, poles, broomsticks, using crutches recently (to fascilitate moving) , could continue to be a threat to one person in the room : (25 points - a comprehensive response is expected for full credit).

State five reasons, when acting in self defense you might shoot a suspect 7 times at close range:

Think about the number of phone numbers in your cell phone. Identify how many you really call and compare and contrast: They also said cell phone records connected Tamerlan and Todashev between having someones cell phone in your phone and using it a couple of times as it relates to the noton of "connected".

Bonus question: Please state reasons as to why any individual on the planet might not find the above congruent, logical. Be sure to include reasons explaining the confusion in a 894 square foot environment.

Critical thinking: Justify someones conclusion that a phone number in some cell phone translates to being good friends, and implicates another in a gruesome triple murder. Be sure to outline how you connect these two facts.





The officials also claimed that Todashev had implicated himself in the Waltham murders prior to being shot. They said that just before the man was about to sign a confession, he snapped, and “lunged at the interrogator with a blade.”

“That initial story has fallen apart,” Maddow saidhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/31/maddow-something-weird-is-going-on-in-fbi-shooting-of-ibragim-todashev/

It could be that the FBI agent and detective involved in the shooting acted honorably and responsibly. It's also possible that this man was needlessly and wrongfully killed.


That is all I want and what the public deserve




http://www.theatlantic.com/national...n-for-the-killing-of-ibragim-todashev/276421/

 

[KarmaGet'em]

his possible involvement in a triple homicide

while sitting at a table across from the agent

then we get
Todashev emerged from his bathroom

knife icepick sword or a long object they are so similiar I often get confused when trying to distinguish what is what.

I wouldn't read too much in the word "possible". Journalists have to use the terms "possible" and "alleged" and things like that when a criminal has not yet been convicted. Saves themselves from lawsuits.

I don't read it as the FBI was unsure of his involvement. Its just media phrasing.

 

[CuriousGrace]

"Rather than alert the agent and tip off Todashev that they sensed something was about to happened, [the trooper] texted the agent and said, 'Be careful, I think this guy is becoming more agitated,'" Miller said.

"As the agent looked down at that text, that's when the table went over, Todashev came over the table and picked up apparently a metal broom handle or some object like that ... and charged the agent. The agent as knocked back, came up with his gun, fired two or three times. Todashev came back at him and he fired more times."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_...e-was-shooting-of-ibragim-todashev-justified/

Okay, from this link. We have to assume this one individual was responsible for the SIX shots into his body. There is explanation to self defense shotgun wounds to the chest, where they are trained to shoot at, not the back of the head. IMO.

 

[CuriousGrace]

Put on your thinking caps!

Out of the four images below (lets pretend!)

Which one is a icepick?


Of the pictures below which one is sword?


Identify a knife from the following pictures?



Select what is described as a long object:


Identify in 25 words or less what this may mean for you:

"while sitting at a table across from the agent"

T or F:
Is this man emerging from his bathroom?

T or F
This man is pushing an agent into a wall.

T or F
This man is waving a sword ?



http://waltham.patch.com/articles/s...r-waltham-suspect-was-armed-when-fbi-shot-him

Breaking now from the Atlantic:
The latest law enforcement account has him charging an FBI agent with a pole -- or was it a broomstick? -- even after being shot.

Shoot I have to revise my pop quiz

Identify the pole:

Pick the broomstick:

one suggested he might have been reaching for a gun

Gosh = T or F
This man is reaching for a gun

others described him as unarmed

darn my test needs revisions

Does the man in this picture have a gun or not?

Mr. Todashev picked up the table

Is this man picking up a table?

hurling it across the room

Is this man hurling an object of some sort?

Identify possibilities : One dead person /one with a scrapes-- outline possiblities for the disparity:

Please identify possible reasons for the following behaviors: ......... this account has a police detective who ostensibly sees the table overturned, sees the FBI agent get injured, sees Todashev attacking with a poll, sees the injured agent draw and fire his gun as he tries to get up, sees Todashev knocked back and rushing forward again.

Please outline reasons why, in the above situation, the reasons why one individual in any room could feel threatened resulting in a trip to the the morgue while another professionial in the room, never pulled his weapon (Please utilize a compare and contrast approach to this question).

List 5 reasons why someone might be confused between a gun.knife,ice pick,broom,or sword (please be comprehensive):

Please identify 4 reasons why a confession being documented has been seen by noone or leaked?

It's also quite a feat to be shot, struck, knocked backward, and charge again toward a gun, especially for a guy who, according to his friends, was in recovery from leg surgery.

Ugh I have to add another question to my pop quiz:

What superpowers do you think that someone who been under interogation for 8 hours,had 7 bullets within his body, , had been hurling objects about, waving swords, poles, broomsticks, using crutches recently (to fascilitate moving) , could continue to be a threat to one person in the room : (25 points - a comprehensive response is expected for full credit).

State five reasons, when acting in self defense you might shoot a suspect 7 times at close range:



The officials also claimed that Todashev had implicated himself in the Waltham murders prior to being shot. They said that just before the man was about to sign a confession, he snapped, and “lunged at the interrogator with a blade.”

“That initial story has fallen apart,” Maddow saidhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/31/maddow-something-weird-is-going-on-in-fbi-shooting-of-ibragim-todashev/

It could be that the FBI agent and detective involved in the shooting acted honorably and responsibly. It's also possible that this man was needlessly and wrongfully killed.


That is all I want and what the public deserve








http://www.theatlantic.com/national...n-for-the-killing-of-ibragim-todashev/276421/

YOU could entertain me for hours! :great:

 

[CARIIS]

Either Todashev CONFESSED TO KILLING THE THREE DRUG DEALERS or HE DID NOT CONFESS TO KILLING THEM. If he had confessed to killing them, it is unlikely that law enforcement would now be saying merely that he was “being questioned about a triple murder in Massachusetts and his connection to the Boston Marathon bombing suspects.” Rather, the authorities would be sticking to their original story: that Todashev had confessed and was preparing to sign a confession.

The fact that Federal law enforcement officials have backed off from their original story does not mean that Todashev and Tsarnaev DID NOT kill the three Waltham drug dealers. They very well may may have killed them. We don’t know. But considering the fact that both Tsarnaev and Todashev are now both very dead, the facts surrounding the triple slaying may very well be buried with them.

Thanx to miz for this link
http://allthingscrimeblog.com/break...shev-did-not-confess-to-drug-rip-off-murders/

 

[CuriousGrace]

respectfully, I don't think you can compare the two. Concertgoers, there to have a good time, that maybe just happen to get rowdy vs. someone who may have slit throats in a previous murder, being questioned by the FBI. JMHO

Doens't matter. If it's actual law enforcement involved (not random security contracted to an event), they do not have different protocals for those that may impose immediate and violent danger and harm to not only themselves, but the public.

 

[CARIIS]

I wouldn't read too much in the word "possible". Journalists have to use the terms "possible" and "alleged" and things like that when a criminal has not yet been convicted. Saves themselves from lawsuits.

I don't read it as the FBI was unsure of his involvement. Its just media phrasing.

Dont they arrest people they say they know kill three people?

 

[CuriousGrace]

Dont they arrest people they say they know kill three people?

WHAT you said!

 

[CARIIS]

The metal pole will morph into a stripper pole.

No, it could be plastic, wood, glass, titanium, granite, and a stick, pole, a handle, a murder weapon, if the place was dust free (I did not say blood free) could have been a duster.

We just do not know now do we - ot they? ITs being buried , public will wain , media, it will end up as a 3 inch column in the B section.

How long did it take them to get older brothers ME report?