Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #11 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

[redheadedgal]

The public reaction is absurd. It's a corpse. An object.

it's just a corpse? just an object?

so, no meaning or significance should ever be attributed to any corpse? ok.

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[Elainera]

http://tinyurl.com/cq4thjk

Boston Bombing Suspects Implicated In 2011 Triple Murder: Officials

From ABC:

Now law enforcement officials tell ABC News that some crime scene forensic evidence provided a match to the two Tsarnaev brothers [Tamerlan Tsarnaev and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev]. The officials also said records of cell phones used by the Tsarnaevs appears to put them in the area of the murders on that date.

The law enforcement officials who spoke to ABC on condition of anonymity, said they were waiting on further DNA evidence before bringing an indictment against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

Wow! Honestly, I didn't expect that they were involved. Will be interesting to hear what further DNA evidence has been found. Given that TT was close friends with one of the victims it could well be that his DNA was all over the place from regular visiting. And maybe DT was visited too. They need to tie the DNA to the murder, not only to the appartment, otherwise it won't stick.

I wonder if that will finally change how DT's fangirls think about him.

I don't think so. Probably will make him more appealing :facepalm:

She was on NPR - long interview. She made it clear she has a "cause".
Well now she does. :seeya:

What "cause" could that possibly be? :banghead:

 

[CuriousGrace]

Wow! Honestly, I didn't expect that they were involved. Will be interesting to hear what further DNA evidence has been found. Given that TT was close friends with one of the victims it could well be that his DNA was all over the place from regular visiting. And maybe DT was visited too. They need to tie the DNA to the murder, not only to the appartment, otherwise it won't stick.

Myself either, not for DT at least, only 17 at that time. I just do not believe potential involvement until if/when charges are filed. And I agree with your points, phone records in the same area on that date does not mean anything.

 

[Gardenlady]

it's just a corpse? just an object?

so, no meaning or significance should ever be attributed to any corpse? ok.

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Yes, just an object. Notice that in neither of those pictures is there a body coming up out of the ground to bless or curse anyone. Notice that there is neither an inherent taint or inherent goodness to either burial site - aside from that which the living have bestowed upon it . The corpse itself has no meaning or "power" beyond that which the living choose to give it.

In the case of TT, folks are working themselves into a frenzy over some sort of perceived supernatural ability they apparently believe the body has - to "taint" good ole American soil, or whatever, I don't know. But it smacks of superstition.

 

[Gardenlady]

Oh, no.... sorry. I mean they're saying the body bring here is going to make the family come to the area. Not that anyone's bussing them in or anything.

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I just don't get this. I'm going to assume that most criminals are buried somewhere. And that possibly their families come visit the grave sites. What is so different about this guy? Is it because he has been labelled a terrorist, or because he was a Muslim? Why do people care if his family members visit his grave? Don't they have a right to do that, even if he was a criminal?

I'm not buying that his grave site might become some sort of rallying place, or place of pilgrimage. Islam, from what I understand, is a very iconoclastic (in the original sense of the word) religion. It is not like Catholicism, say, where importance is attached to created, physical objects, images, relics, bodies, etc. I imagine that attitude might even be more so for radicalized groups. But even if it did, what do people think is going to happen there, at the grave? Is someone going to set off a bomb? Is a terrorist going to leave a note for TT, detailing his own plans that the Tsarnaevs possibly inspired? Well then, so what? If a steady stream of would-be terrorists were to stupidly begin advertising their intent to the world by visiting this burial site, then all the better! The authorities know where to look and find out about it! What on earth is the big deal? :waitasec:

 

[Elainera]

So I feel to lighten up the burial discussion a little bit, please excuse and skip if you're not up for a good chuckle.

Must see video for DT: 15 Prison Slang Words You Must Know

It's hilarious :floorlaugh:

[video=youtube;zJd2oCInGYs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJd2oCInGYs[/video]

 

[21merc7]

So I feel to lighten up the burial discussion a little bit, please excuse and skip if you're not up for a good chuckle.

Must see video for DT: 15 Prison Slang Words You Must Know

It's hilarious :floorlaugh:

15 Prison Slang Words You Must Know - YouTube

OMG! That's hilarious. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

A lot of them, I did not know.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Yes, just an object. Notice that in neither of those pictures is there a body coming up out of the ground to bless or curse anyone. Notice that there is neither an inherent taint or inherent goodness to either burial site - aside from that which the living have bestowed upon it . The corpse itself has no meaning or "power" beyond that which the living choose to give it.

In the case of TT, folks are working themselves into a frenzy over some sort of perceived supernatural ability they apparently believe the body has - to "taint" good ole American soil, or whatever, I don't know. But it smacks of superstition.

It has nothing to do with superstition or feeling the body has any type of powers.

It has to do, for me at least, with true love and respect for my country. The love and respect for its soil.
I don't think he should have been buried here. He wasn't a citizen. His family lives elsewhere. He hated Americans. He killed people because they were American.

You make it sound like people who didn't want him buried here are irrational people who believe in zombies.

 

[Gardenlady]

Well yeah, honestly, that is how they sound to me. It's just as irrational and superstitious as believing in zombies. :twocents:

There is nothing special, different, or weak about "American soil" that burying a corpse in it will somehow taint the land or cause some kind of upset to some metaphysical order. I assume Ted Bundy, or some similar doer of bad deeds in life is buried somewhere in the US, yes? And yet somehow, the nation survives....

 

[Capri]

It has nothing to do with superstition or feeling the body has any type of powers.

It has to do, for me at least, with true love and respect for my country. The love and respect for its soil.
I don't think he should have been buried here. He wasn't a citizen. His family lives elsewhere. He hated Americans. He killed people because they were American.

You make it sound like people who didn't want him buried here are irrational people who believe in zombies.

I get what youre saying Kimberlyd, it's a very emotionally charged topic. There's really no right or wrong, just different people fell differently about it. I can understand the not wanting him buried on American soil.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Well yeah, honestly, that is how they sound to me. It's just as irrational and superstitious as believing in zombies. :twocents:

There is nothing special, different, or weak about "American soil" that burying a corpse in it will somehow taint the land or cause some kind of upset to some metaphysical order. I assume Ted Bundy, or some similar doer of bad deeds in life is buried somewhere in the US, yes? And yet somehow, the nation survives....

American soil is special.
He was not an American citizen.
He should have been shipped back to where he came from.

Nobody said the nation would not survive. But sometimes it's about principle. There are a lot of things people (Americans) feel passionately about. Not because of the inability to survive, but because its wrong!

We obviously will never agree on this.
But we are both entitled to our opinions.

But, it's offensive to call someone's opinion irrational and superstitious because you don't share it.

JMO

 

[Just K]

I object to spending further energy and public monies to protect the grave site, the family members, the individuals and business/religious organizations that made the choice to bury that body in the US. If they or the property need protection, let the individuals pay for private security...just like other well known civilians must do. The woman who spearheaded this, the family and the owners of the cemetery made their choices. They can work out their own security details.

 

[jjenny]

Myself either, not for DT at least, only 17 at that time. I just do not believe potential involvement until if/when charges are filed. And I agree with your points, phone records in the same area on that date does not mean anything.

And what does being 17 at the time has to do with any of it? 17 is more than enough to be charged as an adult, those much younger than 17 are being charged as adults day in and day out.
Phone records don't mean anythig? Since when? Phone records have been used as evidence in many a case.

 

[jjenny]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/10/us/boston-bombings-russian-intel/index.html?hpt=hp_t2





Interesting wording that he is saying the ball really got dropped.

And Russia is a whole another country. Does US really expect that Russia would reveal everything they had on TT? Does US tell Russia everything? FBI was warned-the FBI has capability to investigate, don't they? After Russia warned US, why didn't FBI found that information? FBI has the ability to track phone conversations and text messages. Why didn't FBI uncover those same text messages after being warned by Russia?

 

[CuriousGrace]

And what does being 17 at the time has to do with any of it? 17 is more than enough to be charged as an adult, those much younger than 17 are being charged as adults day in and day out.
Phone records don't mean anythig? Since when? Phone records have been used as evidence in many a case.

I have read through the thread for the triple homicide and at the moment I don't believe DT was involved in that particular murder. And if he is, I think that's the least of his concerns right now. Besides, he has not been charged in connection to that crime.

 

[Isabelle]

Burial at sea would have been the best choice, next to cremation!

 

[Elley Mae]

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinio...5/death_certificate_shows_bomber_never_worked

Death certificate shows bomber `Never Worked'

http://bostonherald.com/sites/default/files/media/2013/05/10/051013death01a.pdf

 

[tezi]

So I feel to lighten up the burial discussion a little bit, please excuse and skip if you're not up for a good chuckle.

Must see video for DT: 15 Prison Slang Words You Must Know

It's hilarious :floorlaugh:

15 Prison Slang Words You Must Know - YouTube

"Jack Rabbit Parole!" BWHAA!!!!

 

[tezi]

Well yeah, honestly, that is how they sound to me. It's just as irrational and superstitious as believing in zombies. :twocents:

There is nothing special, different, or weak about "American soil" that burying a corpse in it will somehow taint the land or cause some kind of upset to some metaphysical order. I assume Ted Bundy, or some similar doer of bad deeds in life is buried somewhere in the US, yes? And yet somehow, the nation survives....

Ted was cremated and scattered over the Cascade Mountains, where he left numerous victims.

JMO, IMO, :moo:, and all other disclaimers.

 

[noodled1]

It has nothing to do with superstition or feeling the body has any type of powers.

It has to do, for me at least, with true love and respect for my country. The love and respect for its soil.
I don't think he should have been buried here. He wasn't a citizen. His family lives elsewhere. He hated Americans. He killed people because they were American.

You make it sound like people who didn't want him buried here are irrational people who believe in zombies.

Separate this into two thoughts

Fact:
Our cemeteries are already holding plenty people like that in much more conspicuous locations. At least he's in an unmarked grave in a cemetery with nothing but unmarked graves.

My opinion:
If as a nation we are always going to play the moral high ground card for the world to see then we have to live by it too. We bury our enemies, we treat them in a respectful way, always have and should continue down that path in the future.