Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #11 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

[PrairieWind]

Easy to say sitting behind a computer. It is not so easy to maim or taze someone attacking you at close range. I don't know all the facts but I will refrain from judging LE with absolutely nothing to go on that makes them sound like they did anything wrong whatsoever.


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I am generally a supporter of law enforcement and give them the benefit of the doubt, and I do in this instance as well. I have e utmost respect for the FBI. But that still doesn't change the fact that something went seriously wrong in this interview/interrogation. As high profile and important as this investigation is, I assume the agents and officers present were very experienced. They would have planned out what would happen in that apartment. They knew full well who this guy was, that he was likely part of a brutal triple knife murder, was well trained and experienced in martial arts, AND that he had a very short fuze. The first thing they would have done would have been to pat him down for a weapon for officer safety. By some reports he had confessed to involvement in the Waterford murders. The LAST thing the FBI wanted was this guy dead. but that is exactly what happened. Somehow they allowed him to get a knife (although earlier today the LE was saying it wasn't certain it was a knife) and attached the agent, though the report I just saw said it was one of the Mass officers that was attacked. Some how the agents and officers lost focus and let this guy somehow get a knife. Or perhaps before the interview this guy had already decided he was going to die just waited for a chance, for the agents and officers to relax, to grab a knife and attack, knowing he would be killed and just trying to take a cop with him.

 

[PrairieWind]

I would remind folks to take "reports" with a grain of salt. Media reports on the bombing have been awful from the start. Even today we have seen reports of what " LE sources have said" that are now clearly not true. We really have no verifiable info on what happened in that apartment.

 

[CARIIS]

With lots of you -- something is just odd. What is the backstory like all of a sudden this guys starts confessing to a triple murder which ties him to the biggest terrorist attack since 9 -11.

Boston police - why do FBI need cops there? Why wasnt he at station for questions?


AND, all the lengths they went to capture alive and now all of a sudden with someone connected to Boston they end up killing him - if he pulled out a bomb I would get it --- it must have been a pretty bad @ss knife.

I am however glad we are getting back to drugs tho - all along I have felt it explains the fact that noone works but are flying all over the globe, smoking weed $ bombing people, in a Mercedes, older liked nice clothes, gym membership, coaching, joining boxing organizations etc etc .
Ha, who knows maybe you even have to buy a subscription to the magazine with bomb receipes - I prefer a good Italian dish personally -- but hey to each his own (kidding folks) - the stuff just hits me!

There has to be a funding source and dealing is certainly perfect in the whole scheme of things. It would also fit that although older quit smoking it might also be dealing while over there - again where is $ coming from.

Please noone say welfare!

It sure seemed like a party that night (celebrating 9-11?) we have three dead, the brothers, now this guy - a gang of 6!

Any of us have any info were any of the three slain radical? Two were jewish and that hit me kind of like could also be tied into the 9-11 connection.Have LE said anything about "time" of murders i.e midnight - celebrate 9 11?



BUT who leaves dope and 5 grand -- if ya just chopped off
not one, not two, but three heads does not sound like your all that worried about jail!

This story is just like the Everready bunny just keeps on coming!

Anyone know anything new about younger? I also recall hearing that forensic tied younger to apt of murder - but that seemed to fade. I think maybe they came up with conclusion that younger brothers DNA or whatever being in his older brothers friends apt is not all that big a stretch.

Am amazed the fertilizer plant 48 hours after Boston seems to only have me going as some sort of connection - by that I mean with "terrorism" not Boston guys directly.

 

[CARIIS]

CNN never reported that only DT/TT were responsible.

That is true - they always thought more than one - would be hard to do all that alone and not get hurt yourself I would imagine

 

[CARIIS]

CNN never reported that only DT/TT were responsible.

That is true - they always thought more than one - would be hard to do all that alone and not get hurt yourself I would imagine

 

[CARIIS]

I'm trying to figure out what some drug ripoff entailed - was he claiming they tried to steal the drugs from the 3 guys and got caught, somebody wanted the drugs but didn't want to pay, or what?

I am lost here too -- for a while they were saying throwing weed all over is soemthing symbolic - but I had envisoned older out of his mind with everyone smoking and him just throwing (in a rage) pot all over them in anger.

 

[CARIIS]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/justice/florida-fbi-shooting-boston/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

According to CNN:

It actually would be interesting to know more about the three murdered victims.

 

[CARIIS]

So Todashev was another person here on asylum status yet made visits back to his homeland. I hope the new law passed this week takes place immediately so these refugees have to decide which country they want to live in and once they leave the USA they are gone!

As with anything, there are always a few that ruin it for everyone. This is for the poster who commented about the Vietnam refugees. I, too, hate to see good people penalized; maybe our government will one day figure out a solution.

Passing all that nonsense IMO, is meaningless -- they can not enforce anything as we have seen on 9-11 Madrid,London,overseas. Kinda like gun control stuff - what someone who is planning on killing a bunch of people is going to say OH it is aganist the law to have a AK-47 - I do not want to break the law and risk getting in trouble!

IMO, bunch of silliness.

They should be spending all this money on hiring more folks (good ole manpower) to follow all the people that wish us harm - or quit killing everyone all over the world, my hunch here is that if we slow down a dash on that maybe so many people might not feel like killing us back!

Just a hunch!

 

[noodled1]

This story about the murder doesn't make any sense to me. They left the money and the drugs scattered all over the bodies. It seems more like the murder was a statement.

But you don't know how much they took with them, do you? They may have very well left a small amount of what was there to muddy the waters for investigators and others who may come looking for them.

 

[CuriousGrace]

CNN never reported that only DT/TT were responsible.

Correction: ABC News. However, CNN has articles which insinuate possible involvement too.

 

[CARIIS]

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At times I wish our cast of characters was more like Bob Jones, Henry Smith, and Tim Long.

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[noodled1]

A question for those who know the ins and outs of LE, why would 2 state troopers have been there with the FBI agent? (In BostonMoms article upthread)

State would be there because it's a state case (the murders) FBI is only there because of the tie in with a Boston bombing suspect so you'll have both interests represented.

Someone else asked why in the apartment and not in a police station. Well they are out of jurisdiction so unless they have hard evidence to present to the LE in Florida there's really no way to get him into a police station. plus as soon as you do that he may lawyer up and you'll never learn anything, Keep it casual and go for the jugular.

From the fact they interviewed others and the long hours they had been there my thoughts are they went down there to interview him and others with a special eye on him. When they started to interview him he started talking or said something that perked up their ears and they just kept it going until he blabbed. Then panicked, then died.

 

[CARIIS]

Still catching up -

I agree with posts along the lines that the triple murder was a rage killing not folks afraid of being id ed Overkill typically has a connectedness angle.

Also...........picture a kung Foo fighter (!) which would explain LE freaking and killing him

wish he were not dead -- could flesh out triple murder

 

[jjenny]

I am generally a supporter of law enforcement and give them the benefit of the doubt, and I do in this instance as well. I have e utmost respect for the FBI. But that still doesn't change the fact that something went seriously wrong in this interview/interrogation. As high profile and important as this investigation is, I assume the agents and officers present were very experienced. They would have planned out what would happen in that apartment. They knew full well who this guy was, that he was likely part of a brutal triple knife murder, was well trained and experienced in martial arts, AND that he had a very short fuze. The first thing they would have done would have been to pat him down for a weapon for officer safety. By some reports he had confessed to involvement in the Waterford murders. The LAST thing the FBI wanted was this guy dead. but that is exactly what happened. Somehow they allowed him to get a knife (although earlier today the LE was saying it wasn't certain it was a knife) and attached the agent, though the report I just saw said it was one of the Mass officers that was attacked. Some how the agents and officers lost focus and let this guy somehow get a knife. Or perhaps before the interview this guy had already decided he was going to die just waited for a chance, for the agents and officers to relax, to grab a knife and attack, knowing he would be killed and just trying to take a cop with him.

Since he was not under arrest, I don't think they could pat him down. They didn't arrest him (probably because without confession they didn't have probable cause), they were just talking with him.

 

[CARIIS]

State would be there because it's a state case (the murders) FBI is only there because of the tie in with a Boston bombing suspect so you'll have both interests represented.

Someone else asked why in the apartment and not in a police station. Well they are out of jurisdiction so unless they have hard evidence to present to the LE in Florida there's really no way to get him into a police station. plus as soon as you do that he may lawyer up and you'll never learn anything, Keep it casual and go for the jugular.

From the fact they interviewed others and the long hours they had been there my thoughts are they went down there to interview him and others with a special eye on him. When they started to interview him he started talking or said something that perked up their ears and they just kept it going until he blabbed. Then panicked, then died.

I saw a piece wherein they said others in the complex were also interiewed.

Do we know if those folks were related to radicalization stuff or drugs

 

[Capri]

It actually would be interesting to know more about the three murdered victims.

Check out the Waltham thread, you might find what you're looking for there

MA MA - Waltham Triple Murder, 12 Sept 2011 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[PrairieWind]

Since he was not under arrest, I don't think they could pat him down. They didn't arrest him (probably because without confession they didn't have probable cause), they were just talking with him.

they dont need an arrest to do a pat down. The exact nature of the situation, consent, "Terry stop" situation, custody, will.......would have been very legally significant. Given this guy's history which the LE would have been well away, there is no way they wouldnt havent done a pat down. If he refused they should have been all the more alert that trouble was on the way.

 

[Capri]

Interview with the father of Ibragim Todashev:

http://rt.com/usa/ibragim-todashev-fbi-attack-659/

Ibragim “couldn’t take part” in the Boston Marathon bombings as he was undergoing a surgical operation on his tendons in Florida days before the bombings and “had to learn how to walk again,” the father said.

Taramov said Ibragim was going to fly back home to Chechnya, but the FBI insisted that he postpone his trip for “one last” interview. Abdulbaki also knew that his son was flying to Grozny on May 24.

Grozny is the capital city of the Chechen Republic.

 

[jjenny]

I still don't understand how someone out on bond could fly home to Chechnya?
Didn't they take away his passport as a condition of his bond?

 

[jjenny]

they dont need an arrest to do a pat down. The exact nature of the situation, consent, "Terry stop" situation, custody, will.......would have been very legally significant. Given this guy's history which the LE would have been well away, there is no way they wouldnt havent done a pat down. If he refused they should have been all the more alert that trouble was on the way.

How could they pat him down when he is not in their custody?