Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #11 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

[CHERIE.T]

I wonder exactly when the law enforcement folks were planning on reading Ibrahim his Miranda Rights? Before or After he signed the "confession"?

Surely they didn't invoke the 'safety exemption'.

How do you know Miranda Rights were not read? Tia

 

[CHERIE.T]

I still don't understand how someone out on bond could fly home to Chechnya?
Didn't they take away his passport as a condition of his bond?

Because someone in the US is doing a crappy job watching the freakin terrorist, Imoo.

 

[jjenny]

How do you know Miranda Rights were not read? Tia

He was not under arrest. Unless someone is under arrest, Miranda Rights are not read.

 

[SophieRose]

"Saeed Dunkaev, a roommate of Todashev’s, said Todashev had lived off and on with a group of other Chechens in a townhouse in Kissimmee.
“He’s a regular guy, nothing wrong,” Dunkaev said.


... Another Todashev roommate, Khusen Tamarov, said the roommates were questioned by authorities Tuesday night. Todashev was afraid of being interrogated at a law enforcement office and had asked that the questioning take place someplace else, Tamarov said."

http://nation.time.com/2013/05/22/fbi-agent-fatally-shoots-man-in-orlando/

By the time DT goes to trial I think we will know every Chechen that lives in the USA. Someone posted an article that stated there were about 200 known Chechans in the USA.

 

[PrairieWind]

How could they pat him down when he is not in their custody?

Upon "reasonable suspicion", not probable cause to make an arrest, the police can detain and frisk. Now, this gets into legal technicalities of what exactly happend this night that we really dont know. Was this guy "detained?" Regardless, law enforcement would, and do mean WOULD, have asked to pat him down when they began the interview. They knew who they were dealing with. Again, if he refused, they should have been ultra alert. Clearly they had reasonable suspicious based on the reports (if they are accurate). So the question is, where did the knife come from?

 

[Capri]

I guess the father didn't know Ibragim could walk well enough to fight with a 54-year-old man and his 35-year-old son over a parking spot at an Orlando shopping mall.

The 35-year-old man was hospitalized with a split upper lip and several lost teeth, according to a report from the Orange County Sheriff's Office.
"Todashev said he was only fighting to protect his knee because he had surgery in March," an arrest affidavit reads.

 

[PrairieWind]

I guess the father didn't know Ibragim could walk well enough to fight with a 54-year-old man and his 35-year-old son over a parking spot at an Orlando shopping mall.

Clearly the guy slipped and fell into Ibragim's fist. :floorlaugh:

 

[SophieRose]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/justice/florida-fbi-shooting-boston/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

According to CNN:
Todashev told investigators the men were killed during a drug ripoff because he and Tsarnaev were afraid they would be able to identify them and tell police what happened, according to a law enforcement source.

Who was being ripped off? Why would the three victims go to police in a drug ripoff, whether you are buying or selling?

 

[Capri]

Who was being ripped off? Why would the three victims go to police in a drug ripoff, whether you are buying or selling?

BBM. I don't see it either. Makes no sense, there has to be much more to it than that.

 

[SophieRose]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/justice/florida-fbi-shooting-boston/index.html?hpt=hp_inthenews

According to CNN:

With lots of you -- something is just odd. What is the backstory like all of a sudden this guys starts confessing to a triple murder which ties him to the biggest terrorist attack since 9 -11.

I can't believe he just out and out confessed, too. I imagine they were playing games with him, telling him they had his DNA and other things.


Maybe he just got tired. True or false confession.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...-is-ibragim-todashev-20130522,0,2776677.story

The FBI questioned Todashev at least five times in person plus numerous times by telephone since the bombings, according to interviews with three of his four former roommates in a duplex at Orlando Sun Village in Osceola County.

They told the Orlando Sentinel the interviews and surveillance began two days after two Chechen brothers — 26-year-old Tamerlan and 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev — were identified as the suspected bombers.

"They pretty much kidnapped him in front of his place," said 22-year-old Khusen Taramov.

 

[Capri]

Back in 2009 he fought under the alias Ibrahim Tody, according to sparring partners, and a gym employee. Searching under that name comes up with several MMA fights, and some youtube videos.

 

[KarmaGet'em]

The date of the murders was Sept. 12, 2011. It keeps getting turned around.

The bodies were found the afternoon of Sept. 12, 2011. Do they know when the murders occurred? I thought it was the night before, but cannot find anything definitively.

 

[CARIIS]

Former Cambridge neighbors of a Russian mixed martial arts 
brawler shot dead by an FBI agent early yesterday — said he was nasty. .... hung around with slain marathon bombing mastermind Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26 — swilling beer and eating chicken on a stoop on Harding Street, Another said she was “intim*idated” by him.Todashev initially entered the country under a student visa, 
according to an official familiar with his case. In February, he was 
granted permanent resident status, the official said.

In 2010, a Boston police report stated Todashev was involved in a violent road rage incident in Downtown Crossing.witnessed several people struggling to restrain a white male, later determined to be the subject, Ibragim Todashev. Officers heard Todashev yell, ‘You say something about my mother, I will kill you!’ Officers struggled to physically 
restrain and handcuff Todashev. ...” http://bostonherald.com/

As a mixed martial arts fighter, Ibragim Todashev had talent — and a temper. ......said he was quiet, but hated following rules.It wasn’t that he was a bad training partner or that he was a bad person around the gym. His only way to resolve a lot of 
conflicts was violence,” a 
former training partner told the Herald.I remember his warm-up music,” Davidson said. “He didn’t come out to a traditional song. It was some like cultural Chechen song. It was just kind of like bells. He was a tough kid, I remember that. He came out and he threw ax kicks and was kind of an unorthodox style.”
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinio...ters_remember_ibragim_todashev_as_a_tough_kid

Is he friend or ex roomate ?
Brandon Mess, "a friend and former roommate of Tamerlan Tsarnaev, [who] was murdered along with two other men in Mess's apartment in
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...fession-tsarnaev-triple-murder_n_3322105.html[/FONT]

"I did not know how much weed they left behind!....their bodies covered in seven pounds of marijuana, so I got a rough idea! seized seven pounds of marijuana, worth nearly $32,000 http://statepatrol.ohio.gov/media/2013/13-025.html......so roughly were talking about 37K hangin around from unemployed folks ....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/10/boston-bombing-suspects-triple-murder_n_3254539.html
One of the victims:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...2fCJDQ8wS4loBw&sqi=2&ved=0CDcQ9QEwAg&dur=8118

Not sure what t shirt says in full;
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...2fCJDQ8wS4loBw&sqi=2&ved=0CDcQ9QEwAg&dur=8118

Plotnikow:
Russian agents were watching Tsarnaev, and that they searched for him when he disappeared two days after the July 2012 death of the Canadian man,said Tsarnaev was also seen in the company of Mahmud Nidal — a man who was both Palestinian and Kumyk, one of the dozens of ethnic groups living in Dagestan — and who was believed to have ties to Islamic militants in the southern Russian region. One link I lost
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/russia-had-elder-boston-suspect-under-surveillanceUp until now I had the impression that Russia had like an "interest" in older. But it seems now that they were seriously "tracking" him and his associates. So Russia knew a lot more about how radical both Canada and older really were IMO.



[FONT="Fixedsys"]Here is Orlando fighting history:
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/f/4F87E882C6342AFC/Ibragim-Todashev/

A friend of Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev implicated himself and Tsarnaev in an unsolved triple homicide
sooooooooooo does this mean younger had no involvment with murder I wonder

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162...mself-in-triple-homicide-before-fbi-shooting/

 

[CARIIS]

Interview with the father of Ibragim Todashev:

http://rt.com/usa/ibragim-todashev-fbi-attack-659/


Grozny is the capital city of the Chechen Republic.

This angle seems odd (FBI put in a request Mr Orlando we want to arrest you sometime - would ya do us a favor and hang around for a bit before we put you behind bars? No problem let me change my plans.

Thats a pretty accomodating triple murderer huh!

??

 

[CARIIS]

BBM. I don't see it either. Makes no sense, there has to be much more to it than that.

Yeh there is just all kinds of stuff with Orlando situation that are odd, dont make sense etc etc

here is the gym

http://jungleorlando.com/

 

[Ray_of_hope]

I sure hope that they begin investigating Orlando friends. He didn't move to Orlando out of thin air. He had to have some ties there. It's too close to me for comfort!

 

[Capri]

This angle seems odd (FBI put in a request Mr Orlando we want to arrest you sometime - would ya do us a favor and hang around for a bit before we put you behind bars? No problem let me change my plans.

Thats a pretty accomodating triple murderer huh!

??

The whole changing plans seems a little strange. I'm guessing it's more like the FBI had a little talk with him and told him to cancel plans (after all, he didn't even have a passport, right, wasn't it being held from the bond hearing in May?) He, to save face, told family and friends how he changed his plans, when I think it is more that the FBI strongly encouraged him not to leave, if you know what I mean.

 

[jjenny]

From my understanding of the justice system, he shouldn't have been able to fly out of the country. He had pending felony charges and was out of bond.
Thus, FBI wouldn't have to encourage him to do anything, he legally couldn't do it.

 

[time]

One theory on the Waltham murders is that there were a lot more drugs/$$$ there than left after the murders. I posted over on that thread. I have to wonder if TT and co. knew those guys were selling drugs and thought they were going to steal them, but ended up being seen/caught.

 

[Capri]

From my understanding of the justice system, he shouldn't have been able to fly out of the country. He had pending felony charges and was out of bond.
Thus, FBI wouldn't have to encourage him to do anything, he legally couldn't do it.

I agree, but why did he buy the ticket in the first place. How did he think he could get there with no passport? My only thoughts are, he had plans to bribe someone to overlook the passport issue, or he had friends that could get him a fake passport??? Just thinking out loud trying to make sense of it all.