Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #11 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

[Kimberlyd125]

The facts of what happened in the apartment with the various government officials representing different branches, the FBI, and one suspect should be an easy story to tell. A+B+C happened, the suspect did such and such threatening the agents life, and officer ADG shot him. All people in the room are there for one purpose, one goal, and surely someone was wired! They should have seen the whole scene, heard the whole scene, been prepared and ready for what the perp "might" try next.

However, less than 48 hours later, the story keeps drastically changing as to it is not known what object the suspect had or how he obtained it, who shot him or how many times he was shot. A public hearing may need to be held to discover these facts. This meeting occurred behind closed doors, in an apt., but maybe the public can help?

See where a COVERUP is??!! Everything that was originaly reported, is being backtracked and withdrawn with great speed. Something went terribly wrong in that room, the information that got out does not fit with the story that NEEDS to be told. Coverup of what? That is the 50 million dollar question! All the retracking on this story is catching too many eyes. Only time will tell. . .:banghead:

Media. Things ALWAYS change from first reports to and from the media.

Thinking that the agents/LE are covering something up is a huge stretch IMO.

It's obvious, from multiple reports that haven't changed, that an agent was injured enough to have to go to the hospital to get stitches. The guy had something to cut the agent multiple times. So he was shot.

It's obvious, from multiple reports that have not changed, that this guy was a very violent person.

There have been very limited reports FROM the FBI/LE. That's normal. They will investigate it and report the findings later. Informing us is not their first concern.

I find it disheartening that people distrust 5-6 officials due to the death of a man that was linked to rebels, terrorists, murder, and violence.

 

[ami]

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And this is one of the main reasons why many of us are choosing to reserve judgement for DT (and the extent of his involvement) until the probable hearing on July 2nd and until more unfolds from an official investigation. I am skeptical of what has been reported and leaked from an anonymous "FBI official sources", too many discrepancies up to this point in many of the stories. This latest development, IT's shooting death in Orlando, displays how the media can get the actual facts significantly wrong and the story will begin to circulate in MSM.

Except there's video footage, still shots, multiple eye witness accounts and a background and family connection that makes sense. We aren't relying on the media stories for all critical pieces of information. There aren't holes in the story aside from motivation, and even that is probably along the lines of other, similar terrorist attacks by first generation immigrants. I don't blindly believe news stories, but I believe logic, facts, my own eyes and multiple congruent accounts. Also, the friends of his who were arrested aren't even proclaiming his innocence, even though that would have helped their own case immensely if they believed he was innocent of the terror attacks - they all admitted (to their detriment) that they knew he was guilty.

As far as the shooting in Florida, nothing makes sense.

The guy punched a guy's teeth out in an argument over a parking space! He tried to push or hit a woman over a traffic incident! So how was a room full of FBI agents and police not prepared for a discussion about terrorism and murder to spark his very clear pattern of violence? It makes no sense to me.

Why were they not recording this, if they suspected he was going to give them information about a domestic terror attack? They weren't taping this? They didn't want this to happen in a police station or interrogation room where this violent offender could be recorded, restrained and kept safe from self harm or suicide by cop?

The second he admitted to taking part in a violent drug murder and throat-slashing, he wasn't detained, restrained, recorded, or taken in for further questioning? Let's just sit in the kitchen and calmly talk about your violent crimes? And how does one person get the drop on multiple armed men, to the point where he must be shot dead to protect them?

Again, I'm not sure if this is a media issue warping the story, or if this was a completely bungled investigation. I truly hope it's the former and a story that makes more sense will be revealed.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/new...icles/cfn/2013/5/24/investigators_leave_.html

Law enforcement cleared the scene Friday where a few days earlier Ibragim Todashev was shot and killed after lunging at an FBI agent, forcing that agent to open fire.


No one answered Todashev’s door Friday where a painting of a firearm was displayed in the middle.

*thats an odd thing to be painted on your front door IMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Except there's video footage, still shots, multiple eye witness accounts and a background and family connection that makes sense. We aren't relying on the media stories for all critical pieces of information. There aren't holes in the story aside from motivation, and even that is probably along the lines of other, similar terrorist attacks by first generation immigrants. I don't blindly believe news stories, but I believe logic, facts, my own eyes and multiple congruent accounts. Also, the friends of his who were arrested aren't even proclaiming his innocence, even though that would have helped their own case immensely if they believed he was innocent of the terror attacks - they all admitted (to their detriment) that they knew he was guilty.

As far as the shooting in Florida, nothing makes sense.

The guy punched a guy's teeth out in an argument over a parking space! He tried to push or hit a woman over a traffic incident! So how was a room full of FBI agents and police not prepared for a discussion about terrorism and murder to spark his very clear pattern of violence? It makes no sense to me.

Why were they not recording this, if they suspected he was going to give them information about a domestic terror attack? They weren't taping this? They didn't want this to happen in a police station or interrogation room where this violent offender could be recorded, restrained and kept safe from self harm or suicide by cop?

The second he admitted to taking part in a violent drug murder and throat-slashing, he wasn't detained, restrained, recorded, or taken in for further questioning? Let's just sit in the kitchen and calmly talk about your violent crimes? And how does one person get the drop on multiple armed men, to the point where he must be shot dead to protect them?

Again, I'm not sure if this is a media issue warping the story, or if this was a completely bungled investigation. I truly hope it's the former and a story that makes more sense will be revealed.

Have you read they didn't record it?
I haven't seen that.

Do you have a link?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://m.wftv.com/news/news/local/body-ibrahim-todashev-flown-russia-burial/nX3TK/

On the front door of the apartment where Todashev was shot and killed by a federal agent is a small picture of an AK-47.


I find that so odd!

 

[ami]

Media. Things ALWAYS change from first reports to and from the media.

Thinking that the agents/LE are covering something up is a huge stretch IMO.

It's obvious, from multiple reports that haven't changed, that an agent was injured enough to have to go to the hospital to get stitches. The guy had something to cut the agent multiple times. So he was shot.

It's obvious, from multiple reports that have not changed, that this guy was a very violent person.

There have been very limited reports FROM the FBI/LE. That's normal. They will investigate it and report the findings later. Informing us is not their first concern.

I find it disheartening that people distrust 5-6 officials due to the death of a man that was linked to rebels, terrorists, murder, and violence.

I don't think all of the agents are lying.

If the facts are: the man was obviously a very violent person, he was questioned for hours by multiple trained, armed agents from multiple agencies, and this questioning went poorly enough to injure an agent and kill the person with the information -- then it was handled atrociously badly for everyone involved. Someone was killed, someone was violently injured, and information about a domestic terror attack was lost. A terrible, terrible outcome.

 

[ami]

Have you read they didn't record it?
I haven't seen that.

Do you have a link?

A link to my question about them recording it? I can't provide a link to my own question.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I don't think all of the agents are lying.

If the facts are: the man was obviously a very violent person, he was questioned for hours by multiple trained, armed agents from multiple agencies, and this questioning went poorly enough to injure an agent and kill the person with the information -- then it was handled atrociously badly for everyone involved. Someone was killed, someone was violently injured, and information about a domestic terror attack was lost. A terrible, terrible outcome.

I am in no way ready to say it was handled atrociously badly for everyone involved.

I guess we will have to wait it out and see. I have tremendous respect for those who put their lives on the line to keep us safe. And speculating about their actions to the point of screaming coverup (not you, previous post) is so wrong IMO.

We have gotten 4 or 5 tidbits of information and people are doing a lot of assuming.

I just don't think the FBI/LE should be bashed here at WS.

There has been no indication of a coverup or any indication that it was anything more than an injured agent firing his gun in self defense.

I'm sure more information will come.
The investigation continues.

I'm just glad his wife is taking him back to Russia so we don't have to do the whole burial discussion again.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

A link to my question about them recording it? I can't provide a link to my own question.

I'm sorry. This is what you said:

Why were they not recording this, if they suspected he was going to give them information about a domestic terror attack? They weren't taping this?

So I took this to mean you knew they weren't recording it. I thought you had read that somewhere. It seemed more of an implication than a question.

 

[danzn16]

The facts of what happened in the apartment with the various government officials representing different branches, the FBI, and one suspect should be an easy story to tell. A+B+C happened, the suspect did such and such threatening the agents life, and officer ADG shot him. All people in the room are there for one purpose, one goal, and surely someone was wired! They should have seen the whole scene, heard the whole scene, been prepared and ready for what the perp "might" try next.

However, less than 48 hours later, the story keeps drastically changing as to it is not known what object the suspect had or how he obtained it, who shot him or how many times he was shot. A public hearing may need to be held to discover these facts. This meeting occurred behind closed doors, in an apt., but maybe the public can help?

See where a COVERUP is??!! Everything that was originaly reported, is being backtracked and withdrawn with great speed. Something went terribly wrong in that room, the information that got out does not fit with the story that NEEDS to be told. Coverup of what? That is the 50 million dollar question! All the retracking on this story is catching too many eyes. Only time will tell. . .:banghead:

That's the media for you. Not a LE coverup. If they're not given info they make things up, a proven fact. We just don't know what is made up or not or if they're going back on original reports because they are actually finding out correct info now


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[danzn16]

yes,I've always been wondering about that.It makes me think if it may have been a sting operation gone terribly wrong.

No it was just soldiers monitoring the crowd for our safety.


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[danzn16]

Media. Things ALWAYS change from first reports to and from the media.

Thinking that the agents/LE are covering something up is a huge stretch IMO.

It's obvious, from multiple reports that haven't changed, that an agent was injured enough to have to go to the hospital to get stitches. The guy had something to cut the agent multiple times. So he was shot.

It's obvious, from multiple reports that have not changed, that this guy was a very violent person.

There have been very limited reports FROM the FBI/LE. That's normal. They will investigate it and report the findings later. Informing us is not their first concern.

I find it disheartening that people distrust 5-6 officials due to the death of a man that was linked to rebels, terrorists, murder, and violence.

I so agree with you. I may have to leave this thread because it truly sickens me. Minds are running wild with absolutely nothing to go on or people look for something and believe even if its my true. When things don't add up its usually because of the medias poor reporting or downright fabrications. It must just be dislike for LE or plain craziness IMO. :banghead:


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[danzn16]

http://m.wftv.com/news/news/local/body-ibrahim-todashev-flown-russia-burial/nX3TK/

On the front door of the apartment where Todashev was shot and killed by a federal agent is a small picture of an AK-47.


I find that so odd!

It is odd. But dang if I was a burglar I sure would skip over that house!


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[Capri]

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/new...icles/cfn/2013/5/24/investigators_leave_.html

Law enforcement cleared the scene Friday where a few days earlier Ibragim Todashev was shot and killed after lunging at an FBI agent, forcing that agent to open fire.

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No one answered Todashev’s door Friday where a painting of a firearm was displayed in the middle.

*thats an odd thing to be painted on your front door IMO

Especiallt since his friend that was also questioned by FBI, then gave an interview said he had no guns. Really?

 

[Capri]

I so agree with you. I may have to leave this thread because it truly sickens me. Minds are running wild with absolutely nothing to go on or people look for something and believe even if its my true. When things don't add up its usually because of the medias poor reporting or downright fabrications. It must just be dislike for LE or plain craziness IMO. :banghead:


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I think it's just people trying to figure it all out, looking at it from all angles. But I tend to be on the LE side too, and it's disheartening when so many people would rather believe unnamed street sources than LE/FBI. On the other hand, it's to be expected, we're a big group of people with lots of differeing opinions, all just trying to make sense of it.

Having said that Danzn, I hope you won't leave the forum.

 

[Capri]

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/new...icles/cfn/2013/5/24/medical_examiner_rel.html

So, his estranged wife has claimed his body & had it taken to a local funeral home.

 

[ami]

I am in no way ready to say it was handled atrociously badly for everyone involved.

I guess we will have to wait it out and see. I have tremendous respect for those who put their lives on the line to keep us safe. And speculating about their actions to the point of screaming coverup (not you, previous post) is so wrong IMO.

We have gotten 4 or 5 tidbits of information and people are doing a lot of assuming.

I just don't think the FBI/LE should be bashed here at WS.

There has been no indication of a coverup or any indication that it was anything more than an injured agent firing his gun in self defense.

I'm sure more information will come.
The investigation continues.

I'm just glad his wife is taking him back to Russia so we don't have to do the whole burial discussion again.

An agent was injured and the person they were questioning was killed. I'm not sure how it was anything but a terrible outcome. And I don't think it's "bashing" to say the outcome of a death and an injury was a seriously negative development in this case.

eta: also, there is a HUGE difference between saying LE is involved in a cover up and saying they didn't handle the situation well.

I'm sorry. This is what you said:

Why were they not recording this, if they suspected he was going to give them information about a domestic terror attack? They weren't taping this?

So I took this to mean you knew they weren't recording it. I thought you had read that somewhere. It seemed more of an implication than a question.

I don't know if they were taping it or not, but if they were then there would be no question of what happened because they would have a video that showed every second of it or an audio recording of his confession/information. Again, maybe they were taping it, everything is perfectly clear to the authorities and it is only the media who doesn't have the information. If that's the case, it makes sense to me because the media have been poor reporters of facts in this case.

But we do know the man was killed and an agent injured - I'm sure even LE would agree that wasn't handled in a way that had an outcome anyone wanted.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I so agree with you. I may have to leave this thread because it truly sickens me. Minds are running wild with absolutely nothing to go on or people look for something and believe even if its my true. When things don't add up its usually because of the medias poor reporting or downright fabrications. It must just be dislike for LE or plain craziness IMO. :banghead:


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I'm having a really hard time with this too. I don't think there is one story on WS's that I have followed where reporting was off in the beginning because they scramble for a story. Then little by little the pieces start to come together. I'm used to it. This guy had ties to terrorists, he had a violent temper as noted in his police record and he apparently helped to slash the throats of three men terrorist style on 9/11. IMO, this wasn't done just over drugs. That may have been what he told LE because he didn't want himself tied to "other" activities. We wouldn't be having this conversation if he would have been deported when he got in trouble for his first or second violent act.

It should be a privilege to come to live in the US and the violence that a person is escaping shouldn't be brought to our country! That privilege should include being a active, productive member of society not a menace.

I will patiently wait for more information to be released on this incident before I speculate that those that protect and serve us, risking their lives on a daily basis, did something wrong.

I think one of the things that is contributing to my frustration is every time a officer in my community has to use deadly force to protect his/her life or the life of other officers or citizens there is a huge out cry about the poor criminal that got shot. Even in the most blatant obvious situations.

From the statements his friend made, it sounds more like this guy knew it was only a matter of time before he was going down for his crimes. IMO, if they were watching him for weeks, they were doing so because they didn't want him to run off or they were afraid he may commit other crimes. They were protecting us. If they suspected him of more involvement, I don't think they are going to tell us and risk an active ongoing investigation.

I get the feeling this was a "your going to kill me" before I'm going in situation.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I think it's just people trying to figure it all out, looking at it from all angles. But I tend to be on the LE side too, and it's disheartening when so many people would rather believe unnamed street sources than LE/FBI. On the other hand, it's to be expected, we're a big group of people with lots of differeing opinions, all just trying to make sense of it.

Having said that Danzn, I hope you won't leave the forum.

I understand that and appreciate all opinions, but to say that this was a flat out "set up" with the little information we have is a big leap. It is crucial that LE and the community work together for successful crime prevention. If people have issues with LE then this system of working together to protect the community is broken and those few that create the most havoc run free.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I'm having a really hard time with this too. I don't think there is one story on WS's that I have followed where reporting was off in the beginning because they scramble for a story. Then little by little the pieces start to come together. I'm used to it. This guy had ties to terrorists, he had a violent temper as noted in his police record and he apparently helped to slash the throats of three men terrorist style on 9/11. IMO, this wasn't done just over drugs. That may have been what he told LE because he didn't want himself tied to "other" activities. We wouldn't be having this conversation if he would have been deported when he got in trouble for his first or second violent act.

It should be a privilege to come to live in the US and the violence that a person is escaping shouldn't be brought to our country! That privilege should include being a active, productive member of society not a menace.

I will patiently wait for more information to be released on this incident before I speculate that those that protect and serve us, risking their lives on a daily basis, did something wrong.

I think one of the things that is contributing to my frustration is every time a officer in my community has to use deadly force to protect his/her life or the life of other officers or citizens there is a huge out cry about the poor criminal that got shot. Even in the most blatant obvious situations.

From the statements his friend made, it sounds more like this guy knew it was only a matter of time before he was going down for his crimes. IMO, if they were watching him for weeks, they were doing so because they didn't want him to run off or they were afraid he may commit other crimes. They were protecting us. If they suspected him of more involvement, I don't think they are going to tell us and risk an active ongoing investigation.

I get the feeling this was a "your going to kill me" before I'm going in situation.

Great post!