Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #7 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

[Elainera]

But if a tire had went across his face I would think his head would have been crushed.
When I saw the red marks, I thought perhaps road rash from being drug.

You're right. This makes actually more sense.

Does anyone know why JT has only been charged with 3 counts of murder? What about the police officer? Or will that be a separate "state" charge? I couldn't even begin to imagine the laundry list of charges you could tack onto this whole thing, but why would you even bother at this point other than justice for each and every victim. You would have well over 180 cases of attempted murder, assault with deadly force, murder of the officer, carjackaing, theft (ATM card,) kidnapping, unlawful use of a firearm. attempted murder of all of the officers, resisting arrest, murder of his brother and probably a whole bunch of traffic related offenses for good measure! A lot of mayhem for just a "kid."

Can't remember where I heard or read this today but they were saying that all the charges will be added at the Grand Jury hearing. Today was just the bare basics.

 

[fruity]

Does anyone know why JT has only been charged with 3 counts of murder? What about the police officer? Or will that be a separate "state" charge? I couldn't even begin to imagine the laundry list of charges you could tack onto this whole thing, but why would you even bother at this point other than justice for each and every victim. You would have well over 180 cases of attempted murder, assault with deadly force, murder of the officer, carjackaing, theft (ATM card,) kidnapping, unlawful use of a firearm. attempted murder of all of the officers, resisting arrest, murder of his brother and probably a whole bunch of traffic related offenses for good measure! A lot of mayhem for just a "kid."

Not all charges are immediately entered. Sometimes they leave them out altogether (think Andrea Yates) in case something goes wrong with the case, then they can enter new charges.

I haven't seen confirmation, but if they don't charge him with the murder of the police officer, they can slap him with those charges later (which I believe still carry capital charges?)

 

[fruity]

Religion isn't behind these attacks as religion doesn't preach terrorism. Radicalism of any kind is behind this kind of stuff. And evil. Evil can take many forms.

Exactly.

 

[deoneta]

Does anyone know why JT has only been charged with 3 counts of murder? What about the police officer? Or will that be a separate "state" charge? I couldn't even begin to imagine the laundry list of charges you could tack onto this whole thing, but why would you even bother at this point other than justice for each and every victim. You would have well over 180 cases of attempted murder, assault with deadly force, murder of the officer, carjackaing, theft (ATM card,) kidnapping, unlawful use of a firearm. attempted murder of all of the officers, resisting arrest, murder of his brother and probably a whole bunch of traffic related offenses for good measure! A lot of mayhem for just a "kid."

This according to legal expert on Fox: The murder of the MIT policeman will most likely be a state charge. He also said that these were only preliminary charges, enough to satisfy the complaint and that he expected more charges at the indictment.

 

[Sillybilly]

I saw that, and am inclined to agree, but I also thought I saw a MSM article that quoted the Dr who worked on him saying there was no injury consistent with being run over.

Maybe no crushing injury, but possibly other types because he was apparently dragged for a distance (possibly caught up in the undercarriage).

 

[Isabelle]

There are conflicting reports over him running over his brother, so who knows what actually happened. I wonder if he literally "drove over" TT, managing to miss him with the tires?

Hadn't thought of this before, but at what point did DT ditch the vehicle he ran over his brother with, or did he wreck it? Thanks

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I disagree. Picture the scene : bombs are going off flashing, your eardrums are tingling and ringing, you have been shot, you had just killed a cop, gone through a high speed chase and full blown out shoot out that can only sound like what I would imagine WAR sounds like. In both instances of hearing the gunfights it took my breath away - talk about overkill -- and he got grazed by a bullet after 212 bullets shot at him. Sounds, cant see , flashing lights of all colors, people yelling at you, you just watched your brother get killed, your in pain I am open to the notion that all he was trying to do was get out of there. He was not thinking - he was running.

Just to be clear, the brother was alive and being detained. He hadn't just watched his brother be killed. And bombs were going off because he and his brother were throwing them.
Overkill? I don't think so. Seems none of that gunfire killed either one of them.
He put himself in that situation. Ready for battle.

IMO he aimed that vehicle at several cops trying to plow over them and should be charged for it.

JMO

 

[Isabelle]

The front of his torso didn't have any tire marks...

I thought TT would have been lying face down if LE was cuffing him??

 

[CARIIS]

Does anyone know why JT has only been charged with 3 counts of murder? What about the police officer? Or will that be a separate "state" charge? I couldn't even begin to imagine the laundry list of charges you could tack onto this whole thing, but why would you even bother at this point other than justice for each and every victim. You would have well over 180 cases of attempted murder, assault with deadly force, murder of the officer, carjackaing, theft (ATM card,) kidnapping, unlawful use of a firearm. attempted murder of all of the officers, resisting arrest, murder of his brother and probably a whole bunch of traffic related offenses for good measure! A lot of mayhem for just a "kid."

I agree , but IMO, they did that same stupid thing with Holmes. What is the purpose -- same end result- other than spending millions of million just on the darn paperwork! Nonsense, IMO!

 

[panthera]

But if a tire had went across his face I would think his head would have been crushed.
When I saw the red marks, I thought perhaps road rash from being drug.

I believe it is possible to be "run over" without actually having the tire(s) making contact with the body. TT could have been collected underneath the vehicle, his face and one shoulder making contact with the hot chassis (causing burning) and dragged down the street, as evidenced by the blood on the street. There are many components underneath a vehicle which are hot when the vehicle's engine is running and/or the vehicle is moving at a fast speed, let alone being dragged any distance by that vehicle.

MOO

 

[Kallstrom]

Does anyone know why JT has only been charged with 3 counts of murder? What about the police officer? Or will that be a separate "state" charge? I couldn't even begin to imagine the laundry list of charges you could tack onto this whole thing, but why would you even bother at this point other than justice for each and every victim. You would have well over 180 cases of attempted murder, assault with deadly force, murder of the officer, carjackaing, theft (ATM card,) kidnapping, unlawful use of a firearm. attempted murder of all of the officers, resisting arrest, murder of his brother and probably a whole bunch of traffic related offenses for good measure! A lot of mayhem for just a "kid."

So far, only Federal complaints. More charges could be indicted based on evidence presented to grand jury.

Mass would pick up charges not prosecuted by the Feds, so I am sure they are communicating about how to handle.

MOO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I believe it is possible to be "run over" without actually having the tire(s) making contact with the body. TT could have been collected underneath the vehicle, his face and one shoulder making contact with the hot chassis (causing burning) and dragged down the street, as evidenced by the blood on the street. There are many components underneath a vehicle which are hot when the vehicle's engine is running and/or the vehicle is moving at a fast speed, let alone being dragged any distance by that vehicle.

MOO

Oh it definitely is.
I agree.
I posted about it up there ^^^

Great minds and all.

 

[epiphany]

I'm not a Muslim, but I do know that every single Muslim I know (there are plenty) loudly denounces all kinds of violence and they HATE that their religion gets the blame for things they revile and actively teach against.

Practicing Muslims even once shouted him out of the mosque he had attended:

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More details of the radicalization of the older suspect, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, emerged Monday, as the Islamic Society of Boston’s Cambridge mosque said in a statement that he had interrupted sermons there twice because he apparently “disagreed with the moderate American-Islamic theology” of the mosque.

After a preacher said on Nov. 16 at a weekly congregational prayer that it was appropriate to celebrate national holidays like the Fourth of July and Thanksgiving, the society said, the older suspect stood up and challenged the preacher, arguing that celebration of any holiday was not allowed in the faith, arguing the point further with the preacher after the sermon ended.

Then, on Jan. 18, when one of the preachers spoke about Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., the society said, “the older suspect stood up, shouted and called him a ‘non-believer’; said that he was ‘contaminating people’s mind’; and began calling him a hypocrite.” The statement said that people shouted that the suspect should “Leave now!”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/us/boston-marathon-bombings-developments.html?pagewanted=3&ref=us

 

[mysteriew]

Hey have the parents commented on the fact that their #2 son ran over their #1 son?
I hope when they get to the US that they offer them the forensic proof of that. Not that they will admit it publicly, but I hope they do it.

 

[TheDuchess]

As for the conflicting reports of him running over his brother I have only heard of 2 really, one was LE's version which was the same as the neighbor who saw the whole thing out of his window.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Hey have the parents commented on the fact that their #2 son ran over their #1 son?
I hope when they get to the US that they offer them the forensic proof of that. Not that they will admit it publicly, but I hope they do it.

I agree.

DT is the one their Dad said was an angel.
They'll never admit that angel plowed down their eldest son.

 

[panthera]

I disagree. Picture the scene : bombs are going off flashing, your eardrums are tingling and ringing, you have been shot, you had just killed a cop, gone through a high speed chase and full blown out shoot out that can only sound like what I would imagine WAR sounds like. In both instances of hearing the gunfights it took my breath away - talk about overkill -- and he got grazed by a bullet after 212 bullets shot at him. Sounds, cant see , flashing lights of all colors, people yelling at you, you just watched your brother get killed, your in pain I am open to the notion that all he was trying to do was get out of there. He was not thinking - he was running.

BBM

No, TT was alive and was being handcuffed when DT drove down the street at high speed. According to the Police Chief who was on CNN a short time ago, he stated he believed DT was intending to run over his officers who had TT on the ground. Note: TT was in cardiac arrest only when he arrived at the hospital, not when LE was apprehending him.

MOO

 

[TheDuchess]

Hey have the parents commented on the fact that their #2 son ran over their #1 son?
I hope when they get to the US that they offer them the forensic proof of that. Not that they will admit it publicly, but I hope they do it.

I am quite certain that they will learn exactly what happened from either JT or his attorney at some point once they arrive.

Plus-didn't he call mom from the car and ask for her forgiveness or something to that effect? Or has that been disputed?

 

[Isabelle]

Hey have the parents commented on the fact that their #2 son ran over their #1 son?
I hope when they get to the US that they offer them the forensic proof of that. Not that they will admit it publicly, but I hope they do it.

I would hope there would be some way that the parents would not be allowed to enter the US ever again!

 

[jjenny]

I can't understand so many elements in this case. Mostly, why did DT run over TT? If the vehicle was going in reverse then maybe with all of the pressure in the situation, he wasn't thinking clearly. But if he wad driving head on then I just can't can't see any scenario... Unless he was sick of his "mastermind" and wanted him gone. Idk. Moo.

He could have been trying to run over police who were standing there. They had to jump out of the way.