Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #8 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

[Jersey*Girl]

I have a huge feeling that bc of the way this crazy bombing case played out with tactical info being public publicly streamed online during a real time pursuit, and important geographical info being aired, heard & written, that law enforcement will have to start taking some of their more critical investigations to a more secure private network. I think the media was pulling some of their info from police scanner activity and made their stories to coincide with whatever they derived from a mixture of scanner activity, blogs, twitter, Facebook, etc. IOW, I think the media put their own spin to alot of this. Remember the idiots in the media that police had to keep pushing back & away from the scene so they didn't get hurt? Crazy.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

"They would drive to Time Square that same night," said Kelly. "In the car they made the decision to go to New York with the remaining explosive devices and detonate them in Times Square."

Kelly said that Dzhokhar was photographed in Times Square on April 18, 2012 with his friends and on one other occasion.

"The NYPD's Intel Unit is investigating Dzhokhar's movement in New York City along with who he was involved with," said Kelly.

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/201...-on-times-square-bloomberg-says#ixzz2RVEOaHds

Hmmm... Could be they've gone over his twitter & looked at all the conversations in context as well... Thank GOD they're doing a thorough job.

 

[georger]

I have a huge feeling that bc of the way this crazy bombing case played out with tactical info being public publicly streamed online during a real time pursuit, and important geographical info being aired, heard & written, that law enforcement will have to start taking some of their more critical investigations to a more secure private network. I think the media was pulling some of their info from police scanner activity and made their stories to coincide with whatever they derived from a mixture of scanner activity, blogs, twitter, Facebook, etc. IOW, I think the media put their own spin to alot of this. Remember the idiots in the media that police had to keep pushing back & away from the scene so they didn't get hurt? Crazy.

Agree totally but ... I think communication and facts have been amazingly
good also (high quality in a very stressful situation) which helped the public
awareness/safety.

The body of a missing Brown Univ student (Sunil?) has been found - sorry. Just came on NPR.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Side note: Our media in the USA throughout this case is very seriously reminiscent of the paparazzi that used to report stuff about Princess Diana & Prince Charles, etc. #norespectanymore

 

[21merc7]

No. he's clammed up now. This information came while FBI was interviewing him. A magistrate, US attorney and 2 Federal public defenders surprised FBI by showing up at the hospital with the complaint and read him his rights. He's stopped talking with the FBI only able to question him for 16 hours. Ridiculous. And no, it can't be used against him, but they got enough on him without his statements. The idea was to get further information. We can forget about that now.

All of it can and will be used against him, it's been discussed in the news for days the reasons why.

That being said, Miziree pointed out he was already Mirandized in Court anyway. So no need to worry.

 

[belimom]

Presser:

NY Times was next on terrorist list. They had made the bombs, according to the mayor. Alive suspect said he and his brother spontaneously decided they would drive to NY that night. They saw they were low on gas, and stopped at 7/11. Five pipe bombs, six total bombs, in their possession.

So glad the carjacking victim was low on fuel. What if he had had a full tank? They may have made it to NY or at least further away. And if he had tried to run then, he may not have found a safe place before they caught up with him.

(I think I'll tell DH about this next time he gets bent out of shape than I ride around near empty quite often...)

 

[bourne]

Speaking to reporters at City Hall today, Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, had a pressure cooker bomb and five pipe bombs they wanted to set off in Times Square.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation says Dzhokhar spontaneously planned the New York attack in the days following the marathon bombings.

On Wednesday, Commissioner Kelly said the brothers were planning to come to New York to party after the bombings. Today, he says the information received from federal investigators proved different as they interrogated Dzhokhar from his Boston hospital bed.

http://manhattan.ny1.com/content/to...yc-was-next-on-boston-bombing-suspects--radar

Yes, this makes a lot more sense than the gibberish that was given out by the media the past few days re: the two brothers wanting to only "PARTY" in Manhattan.

One need only ask, why the heck would the two brothers be armed with ammunition -- grenades, another pressure cooker bomb, gun, etc. -- if they were only intending to party in NYC? Someone in LE was not thinking clearly and should not have accepted the younger brother DT's statements made in the hospital at face-value. I even saw NYC Commissioner Ray Kelly repeating the same ludicrous statement, that the two brothers were driving down to NYC "only to party", that they had no intention of bombing the city.

Just because DT said so upon one interview, doesn't mean it is so. Why take the words of a terrorist at face-value? Don't you think his words are motivated out of self-interest to make him and his brother TT look good?! VERIFY and cross-check with available evidence before making your gaffe statements, LE AND media. You're making yourselves look like bungling idiots.

 

[gxm]

Everyone reacts differently. If something happens to my sister she screams and runs. I get silent, have never screamed in my life and freeze for a few seconds and think about the best possible action. My fiance gets out the situation before I even interpret what's going on. Past experiences and personality reflect actions during emergencies. I can't judge anyone that was able to run away even if they jumped over an injured person. They could have thought another bomb was going to go off in same area and they needed to get out. He could have no idea what to do to help an injured person. It's flight, a natural instinct. Others cower and cover their ears, another instinct. I don't think they're guilty and neither is he for high tailing it out of a horrible and dangerous situation.

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My first reaction, at least when I was young and had quick reflexes, would be to bolt when in a situation that frightens me. I'm like a rabbit; all flight and no fight.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Guys, he was mirandized in court? Or in his hospital room? Omg let me read the article...

 

[belimom]

Guys, he was mirandized in court? Or in his hospital room? Omg let me read the article...

Wasn't 'court' in his hospital room?

 

[mysterious minds]

I agree that DT got what was coming to him. I don't mind at all that LE fired on an unarmed terrorist, since they didn't know whether or not he had explosives or weapons and in any case, he deserved to be shot IMO.

What I do care about is the initial reports by LE that they "were involved in a firefight" and that he was actively shooting at them - I posted when it happened that it sounded fishy. He was laying half dead in the bottom of the boat - hey, fire on him, I'm totally with them on that - but don't make up a story of a wild firefight if the truth is they were apprehending a dangerous suspect using offensive maneuvers, not defending themselves from a guy sniping shots at them from the cover of the boat. I just want to hear the truth. The cops are still heroes. I just don't want propaganda fed to me.

I feel the same about LE telling the media that DT killed TT by running him over. They had no idea how he died, even the doctor didn't know at the time, and it smacked of oily propaganda... he's already a crazed murderer of children and other innocents, most sane people knew that and were angry, disgusted and frightened. Adding smack talk on top of that - why? Why not just speak the truth and let us live in reality and have our emotions based on what's happening in front of us. It's bad enough. I feel like disinformation to manipulate the public is just... insulting, offensive and wrong.

Agree with everything, and also want to add that my concern is falsified reports (whether intentional or not) could skew the case and somehow get charges reduced. With every conflicting report, and now rumors of a reputable attorney, I'm very worried about every dotted "i" and crossed "t".

Look at how all of us are scratching our heads among the confusion. What is a top notch defense attorney going to do with all of this? We've seen apparent cut and dry cases get no conviction. How will this play out?

 

[21merc7]

Guys, he was mirandized in court? Or in his hospital room? Omg let me read the article...

IIRC, the Judge and all staff necessary, came to the hospital. That would have been considered a Courtroom once proceedings began.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Wasn't 'court' in his hospital room?

Makes sense. I was reading here that he was mirandized in court so automatically I assumed a courthouse. I was confused bc I didn't think he was released from the hospital yet. Thank you belimom.

 

[epiphany]

http://gothamist.com/2013/04/25/boston_bombers_had_aspirational_pla.php

Video of full presser beginning @ 23:28 ^^

During the first interview with Tsarnaev, which occurred between Saturday night and Sunday morning, he told officials the brothers were planning to go to NYC Thursday night to party; that story changed in the second interview, which occurred between Sunday night and Monday morning. Bloomberg reiterated several times that the NYPD never interrogated Tsarnaev—the FBI and local Boston police departments provided the information to them—but Kelly added: "To the best of my knowledge, [Tsarnaev] is speaking. He was more lucid in the second interview, more expansive at giving detail. The first interview was a relatively short time after he went into hospital."

http://gothamist.com/2013/04/25/boston_bombers_had_aspirational_pla.php

 

[bourne]

The problem is not with the public, though, in this case, bourne, and in this case I respectfully disagree with you. True, the public wants information--but to provide disinformation undermines the public's trust in those they're needing to trust. The public's need for information is not forcing LE to say any one particular thing, nor is it twisting LE's arm to say what they obviously would have to have known was in error (due to suspect #2 being unarmed at arrest). The problem, IMO, was that LE volunteered erroneous, misleading info in videoed news conferences they themselves set up. There is no excuse for that. They should not volunteer what has not yet been verified when describing what 'went down.' The police chief and/or commissioner should not be saying to media and White House officials that gunfire "was exchanged" when it was not--when the suspect they took into custody had no gun on him, nor was there one in the boat. Nor should they be speculating about his neck wound perhaps being attempted suicide when they themselves could see upon his arrest that he was unarmed. His being unarmed upon arrest should NOT have come out in the news a week after his arrest, after swat teams have been on news talk shows talking up the 'exchange of gunfire' at the boat.

I strenuously disagree. If the public did not want the news IMMEDIATELY, STAT, LE and the media would not be cramming false info down our throats without verification first. The media is public-driven. It tries to satiate our desires. Otherwise, like all market-driven enterprises, it'll go out of business. As for why LE jumped the gun instead of providing details upon completion of their investigation, simple, they were feeling ecstatic at DT's capture and TT's death, so they wanted to celebrate and made overconfident statements in order to relish in the moment. They had caught two murderous fiends who were intent on destroying America so their statements were understandable in that context.

 

[21merc7]

Interesting, I thought it may be the case, but wonder why the special circumstances granted:

Their mother, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, who was charged with shoplifting in the U.S. last summer, said she has been assured by lawyers that she would not be arrested, but was still deciding whether to go.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...74738e-ad3e-11e2-a8e6-b6e4cc7c49d1_story.html

 

[Elainera]

Not sure if this was already posted:
Boston bombing suspects planned to attack NYC
FBI reports Dzhokar Tsarnaev revealed further scheme, Bloomberg says

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/04/25/boston-bombing-dzhokhar-tsarnaev.html

 

[21merc7]

Kelly said police knew of two visits by the younger Tsarnaev brother to New York last year — once on or before April 18, and once in November. He said he did not know whether those visits were related to any plot against Times Square.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...k-in-times-square-new-york-officials-say?lite

 

[elmomom]

The night DT was captured I was glued to the TV (and the scanner thread here).
Many things happened somewhat differently as I remember them, than the way they were reported afterwards. I remember a ton of gunfire early and the scanner screaming hold your fire, hold your fire, and the gunfire went on for quite some time. I do remember them changing out for less lethal type ammo, but I do remember it being later on, when the Tactical Team got there. I do realize that my memory may be faulty as well...
BUT, what I remember MOST that night was the horrible feeling I got watching Obama. He was very, very visibly upset - it looked like anger. Both people watching it in the room with me remarked that they don't remember ever seeing him so visibly pissed off. Someone I was with was speculating that Obama and the Feds were the ones who wanted DT alive and in one piece (for questioning) and maybe DT was severely injured in the take down, possibly even fatally, by the local LE.
I wasn't big on that theory at the time, but I am coming around now. Maybe all these reports about "self inflicted gunshots" was a story circulated to take heat off for over reacting and shooting at essentially, an unarmed boat. I do know when the head Boston Police guy at the scene had a press conference Tuesday night (saw it on CNN) he was asked if a gun was found with DT and he claimed "it was still under investigation" and he looked rather... uncomfortable.
I am not blaming anyone here... but they did over react according to the way they are trained to deal with this type of circumstance, (understandably given the high emotion), I just think a lot of the muddled info is spin that is being used to make everything look like it was all controlled and done according to protocol, when in fact, listening that night one realized it was a mad scene that was entirely out of control.

 

[ami]

Agree with everything, and also want to add that my concern is falsified reports (whether intentional or not) could skew the case and somehow get charges dropped. With every conflicting report, and now rumors of a reputable attorney, I'm very worried about every dotted "i" and crossed "t".

Look at how all of us are scratching our heads among the confusion. What is a top notch defense attorney going to do with all of this? We've seen apparent cut and dry cases get no conviction. How will this play out?

Really good point.