Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #9 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

[Isabelle]

Affluent family - not welfare payment, IMO!

My suspicion is that is a reason she has not been brought in for questioning earlier, "affluent family".

 

[fred&edna]

Just a quick question: Did any of you use pressure cookers when you were in your early 20's? Or for that matter, ever?

I, for one, have never used a pressure cooker. In my long life, I have only seen one in all the homes I've ever been in...and I was in catering for nine years.

My mother and grandmother both used pressure cookers. I remember the jiggling and hissing sound the thing made on the stove. I remember them being used to cook green beans, cabbage rolls, roasts with potatoes and carrots. I never understood them. However, I own & use this...

http://www.qvc.com/CooksEssentials-4qt-Digital-Stainless-Steel-Pressure-Cooker-w-Hinged-Lid-Search-Results.product.K34606.html?sc=K34606-SRCH&cm_sp=VIEWPOSITION-_-2-_-K34606&catentryImage=http://images-p.qvc.com/is/image/k/06/k34606.001?$uslarge$

I have no idea if the link is working... anyway, it's a digital QVC pressure cooker.

 

[Isabelle]

Innocent till proven guilty - I am not saying that the laws of the land are.

What happens to "innocent until proven guilty" when the perp confesses?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Any bells ringing..........

Tamerlan got his American citizenship on September 11, 2012

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Tamerlan was not a citizen of the United States of America.

 

[CARIIS]

Interesting coincidence, but apparently peeps don't get to choose the court date for the swearing in (it's court-scheduled), so that's likely all that is...coincidence.

ETA: DT's swearing in...(TT not a citizen). (Good catch, gramcracker.)

Still pretty ironic no, considering the last couple of weeks:

THe Marathon. Fertlizer plant explosion.Wednesday, April 19, 1995 Oklahoma bombing. Waco rapped April 19, 1993, triple murder IMO, they were probably fighting about 9-11

McVeigh, a militia movement sympathizer and Persian Gulf War veteran, sought revenge against the federal government for their handling of the Waco Siege, which ended in the deaths of 76 people exactly two years prior to the bombing, as well as for the Ruby Ridge incident in 1992.

Not implying all inter related but interesting none the less no?

 

[CARIIS]

I thought that it was just representation that was assigned to those that can't afford it. When did it get amended to include THE BEST GOVERNMENT TAX DOLLARS CAN BUY? What am I missing? What kind of precedent is this going to set?

Right to counsel is generally regarded as a constituent of the right to a fair trial, allowing for the defendant to be assisted by counsel (i.e. lawyers), and if he cannot afford his own lawyer, requiring that the government should appoint one for him/her, or pay his/her legal expenses.

Just the law

Right to counsel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

What happens to "innocent until proven guilty" when the perp confesses?

They still have to be proven guilty under American law. There are an astounding number of 'false confessions' on the record (google it and you'll be surprised--I was). People have 'confessed' where it has later been proven they confessed under duress, confessed for notoriety, confessed b/c they weren't mentally in a place where they knew what they were confessing to, etc., etc.

Here are a few good links for better understanding the phenomenon of false confession, if you're interested (even if you don't think it applies in this case, it's a very interesting read, especially the 1st link.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/14/us/14confess.html?hp&_r=0

http://www.totalcriminaldefense.com/news/articles/criminal-evidence/false-confession/

http://www.innocenceproject.org/understand/False-Confessions.php

 

[Isabelle]

keep it! it needs a good home. keep it!

I know, but it is so hard! OT: My oldest dtr's bday is 12/26 and for her 21st birthday I was just completely burnt out shopping for Christmas when I realized I had to get a birthday gift. She coveted a particular Dooney & Bourke bag, and I said, screw it and bought the $280 bag. My DH asked me if I had lost my mind. Anyway, she loved the bag and was very surprised. DH thinks I should keep the bag. (I think maybe he is using reverse psychology, lol)

 

[CARIIS]

This particular date seems to have followed him - wasn't the triple murder also committed on Sep 11? How eerie!

WOW, did not recall that!

 

[CARIIS]

Tamerlan was not a citizen of the United States of America.

Referring to young one wherein folks appear upset that disability happened, right to fair trial, innocent till (not saying that) guilty etc etc ,

 

[Kimberlyd125]

They still have to be proven guilty under American law. There are an astounding number of 'false confessions' on the record (google it and you'll be surprised--I was). People have 'confessed' where it has later been proven they confessed under duress, confessed for notoriety, confessed b/c they weren't mentally in a place where they knew what they were confessing to, etc., etc.

I understand what you are saying.
It sucks really. Because we all know his confession is not false.
He confessed AND is on video dropping a bomb filled backpack at the feet of innocent people. I think he's toast.
It's a shame so much money and time will have to be spent to prove what he has already told them.
He did it. No doubt.

Waste of tax payers' money.

Infuriating,

 

[CARIIS]

My suspicion is that is a reason she has not been brought in for questioning earlier, "affluent family".

Oj, etc etc -- we do not have a justice system......we have a legal system ,,, IMO, a legal system is greatly influenced by $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Referring to young one wherein folks appear upset that disability happened, right to fair trial, innocent till (not saying that) guilty etc etc ,

:waitasec:

I was talking about your post that said TT received his citizenship on Sept. 11th.

I was just pointing out that TT was not a citizen.

DT got his on Sept. 11th.

 

[CARIIS]

They still have to be proven guilty under American law. There are an astounding number of 'false confessions' on the record (google it and you'll be surprised--I was). People have 'confessed' where it has later been proven they confessed under duress, confessed for notoriety, confessed b/c they weren't mentally in a place where they knew what they were confessing to, etc., etc.

I agree on that level - just saying!!

 

[Sillybilly]

I thought that it was just representation that was assigned to those that can't afford it. When did it get amended to include THE BEST GOVERNMENT TAX DOLLARS CAN BUY? What am I missing? What kind of precedent is this going to set?

Because DT is facing the death penalty, he must be represented by a lawyer who is death penalty qualified (can't recall the specific number of cases required to meet that criterion).

Not sure that their illustrious experience would gain them more $$ than a less experienced, DP qualified attorney would receive.

 

[CARIIS]

I understand what you are saying.
It sucks really. Because we all know his confession is not false.
He confessed AND is on video dropping a bomb filled backpack at the feet of innocent people. I think he's toast.
It's a shame so much money and time will have to be spent to prove what he has already told them.
He did it. No doubt.

Waste of tax payers' money.

Infuriating,

Yeh, there was a lawyer who stated this is not a guilty or non guilty case. It is solely about he death penalty
lost link

 

[deoneta]

Agree. Recently bought a $200+ purse, hand painted with koi and waterlilies and am agonizing over it now, planning to send it back. I have never, ever bought anything like that. Could be he didn't really know what her income was?

Keep your purse. You deserve it. A good purse you can use for years is a better investment than a series of less expensive purses that don't last. Believe me, nobody makes a dollar holler louder than me, but a good purse makes you feel fabulous.

 

[SophieRose]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/30/u...-russell-scrutinized-by-authorities.html?_r=0

The authorities are looking at a range of possibilities, two senior law enforcement officials said, including that she could have — wittingly or unwittingly — destroyed evidence, helped the bombers evade capture or even played a role in planning the attacks. As part of the investigation, F.B.I. agents are trying to determine whether female DNA found on a piece of a pressure cooker used as an explosive device in the attacks was from Katherine Russell, the wife of Tamerlan Tsarnaev, according to the officials.

 

[Elainera]

Since we are on the topic of DT's rights - how can DT possibly get a fair trial with this much media coverage?

 

[ami]

Interesting article:

Rosin: Why all this maternal sympathy for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev?

I like this line:

Maybe the lesson is that just like teen-age ardor, unleashed maternal sympathy is a powerful force that can land in strange places.

http://www.newsday.com/opinion/oped...rnal-sympathy-for-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-1.5162235

I get approximately half of this.... I have a daughter only one year younger than him. I teach and mentor students his age. I actually teach and mentor some of his friends. I can't look at his face and not first see a teenager and instinctively know the shaky pre-adult stage some teenagers inhabit (some until they're 30 or older, but diff subject...).

However very quickly on the heels of seeing a teenager I see a mass murderer who smiled when the bomb he placed behind children exploded and who smugly walked away without a care in the world. So yeah, I do get the initial rush of maternal sympathy, but it's not for *him* - not for the person he is, who murdered and maimed people - it's just for the picture of a teenager he presents before identifying that it is THAT teenager, the murderer.