Terry Hobbs & Pam Hicks on Opperman Report

[Compassionate Reader]

I do have a question for you guys, though. I've seen and heard reference to Pam publicly recanting her allegations about Terry recently. Can anyone point me to where I could read/watch that? Thank you!




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Pam is walking a thin line right now. She's trying to help her daughter, Amanda, by remaining somewhat close to TH because he's Amanda's children's grandfather, so she may have made such a statement. What I heard was that she's now unsure who killed her son and she just wants to get on with her life. Sounds a little Terry-influenced to me because he kept telling her to "just get over it" within two weeks of the murders! So, he may have gotten to her in some way - through Amanda or Amanda's kids. FAIK, he's beating her and she's covering for him, as she's done before. It's a terrible situation, and we may never know everything Pam has endured. Hopefully, it will be over soon and Pam won't have to worry about TH for quite some time - maybe forever!

 

[reedus23]

The hair is not evidence ..

Can't be serious. If you are, there couldn't be a clearer example of why there can never be any common ground between the 2 sides. Saying the hair is not evidence at all is absurd.

 

[reedus23]

No it's not. It is not even necessarily his hair .. beyond that the hair could have been secondary transfer.

None of that doesn't make the hair all of a sudden no longer evidence. You just tend to believe it doesn't point towards guilt. I don't know if it points towards guilt or not but recognize that it could and therefore, what it does point to is the need for further investigation.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Can't be serious. If you are, there couldn't be a clearer example of why there can never be any common ground between the 2 sides. Saying the hair is not evidence at all is absurd.

Because it's not hair that can be identified as belonging to anybody in particular. It is a hair on a shoelace that could have got there in any number of ways from any number of sources.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Even if it is TH's hair .. It simply proves that the hair became attached to that shoelace which could have happened in the home where all boys played or could have been transferred between the boys. Did LE even identify which boy was tied with which shoelace?

 

[Compassionate Reader]

Even if it is TH's hair .. It simply proves that the hair became attached to that shoelace which could have happened in the home where all boys played or could have been transferred between the boys.

However, that doesn't explain the Jacoby hair.

Did LE even identify which boy was tied with which shoelace?

Other than the fact that Michael was tied with one long black shoe string, cut into two pieces, while Christopher and Steven were both tied with one black and one white shoe string, I don't recall any definitive identification. IIRC, Steven liked to wear white laces, almost exclusively. So, the two intact black laces were most probably Michael's and the white laces were most probably Steven's. Also, IIRC one of Christopher's shoes still had a lace in it, which is why a lace had to be cut. IMO, it happened as follows: The killer took the laces out of Michael's and Steven's shoes and used them to tie Christopher and Steven. When he began to tie Michael (with one of the laces from Christopher's shoes), the lace broke. Afraid to use the other lace (fearing that it was weak), he left it in Christopher's shoe, removed one of the two laces from one of his own shoes, and cut it into two pieces and used those pieces to tie Michael.

I could go on and on about the whole "laces" situation, but it's a bit off topic. If someone wants to start an in-depth discussion of my theory regarding the laces (and how it ties in with TH as the killer), we can start another thread.

 

[primitivefuture]

I could go on and on about the whole "laces" situation, but it's a bit off topic. If someone wants to start an in-depth discussion of my theory regarding the laces (and how it ties in with TH as the killer), we can start another thread.

Please do! I always wonder about the laces and would really like to hear your thoughts on the subject.


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[UdbCrzy2]

Because it's not hair that can be identified as belonging to anybody in particular. It is a hair on a shoelace that could have got there in any number of ways from any number of sources.

I can't believe that anyone is even asking about this since it's been discussed many many times before here at webslueths.

 

[UdbCrzy2]

The WM3 were planning on going after the parents from as early as October 1994 .. it wasn't clear who they were going to try to pin the crime on however.

<snipped>

Misskelley, also told me that they, the defendants, left a night gown at the scene so that it would look like women had committed the crime. He says now that he is trying to blame the parents of one of the children.

Misskelley also told me that his confession is the only evidence that the prosecution has. And that he and his attorney are trying to have that dismissed.

I once asked Misskelley what were the names of the three boys. He laughed for some time, and then said he could only remember one of them.

Mr. Davis, please do everything in your power to keep Misskelley behind bars for the rest of his life. He is a very cold, morbid person.

I thank you for your time
Michael Johnson

Read the full letter here. Note, this is yet another confession.

http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/micjo.html

Well, there you go. If some people can believe Bennie Guy and Billy Stewart, then they should have no problem believing Michael Johnson.

Billy Stewart
http://adc.arkansas.gov/inmate_info/search.php?dcnum=104406

 

[Ausgirl]

Aside from the victims, of course, the person I felt most sorry for in all this is Amanda Hobbs. I find her just a heartbreaking figure, clearly wracked with horrible emotional pain from whatever many sources, including the loss of her brother.

I wish both her parents had looked out for her more. She just seems so very broken.

I have no reason to doubt that she was very badly treated by her dad, as she's said.

My sympathy for Pam is severely curtailed by the fact if Hobbs was violent to herself and her kids, maybe she should have put her kids first and hightailed it out of there ten years before she actually did so.

It's one thing to be a victim of DV. It's another to make your innocent kids victims of it, too.

 

[Compassionate Reader]

Please do! I always wonder about the laces and would really like to hear your thoughts on the subject.


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I'll try to get something together ASAP.

 

[reedus23]

Because it's not hair that can be identified as belonging to anybody in particular. It is a hair on a shoelace that could have got there in any number of ways from any number of sources.

Again. I repeat. Nothing you said makes it all of a sudden no longer evidence.

Now, if I were to argue the other points you raise, I'd tell you that that hair points to someone a helluva lot more than the knife. Next, the numbers are limited enough that I really don't think you'd want to bet your life on the fact that it's not TH's hair. IMHO, the best argument you make is that it got there via secondary transfer.

 

[reedus23]

Even if it is TH's hair .. It simply proves that the hair became attached to that shoelace which could have happened in the home where all boys played or could have been transferred between the boys. Did LE even identify which boy was tied with which shoelace?

This, I believe is the strongest argument from that side of the argument.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Even if it is TH's hair .. It simply proves that the hair became attached to that shoelace which could have happened in the home where all boys played or could have been transferred between the boys. Did LE even identify which boy was tied with which shoelace?

Here is my problem with that. The probability that the hair is picked up in the house, As transfer, They go to play outside. Ride bikes, Boys play hard... That it did not come off then, A miracle, but then it stays on that lace or shoe, all through playing, And then when the murderer uses it he unties it, Handles it, Strips it from that shoe, Ties that child up and that hair happens to end up in the knot??

Yeah, no. I don't think so.

I don't want anyone innocent convicted for a crime, But we have more on TH than anyone else. Witnesses say he WAS indeed seen around the boys that day when he says he never saw them.
The DNA on the Hair.. He makes at least a good suspect to be investigated. FULLY.

 

[UdbCrzy2]

Even if it is TH's hair .. It simply proves that the hair became attached to that shoelace which could have happened in the home where all boys played or could have been transferred between the boys. Did LE even identify which boy was tied with which shoelace?

Hair, hair, hair, hair. What about the convicted's hair who did not know the victims?

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207020"]Hairs recovered from victims microscopically constant with Baldwin and Echols - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Miranda!]

Use of a microscope is one thing, MtDNA is a whole diiferent animal! If the hair found in the ligature is NOT hobbs' then it has to be that of a sibling with the same mother, or a cousin whose mother is a maternal sister of his mother. MtDNA is passed on in successive generations through the maternal line only so any issue of a brother of Hobbbs' or his father (ie an uncle) would have different DNA - that of their mothers!

Microscopic consistency widens the field considerably!

 

[Compassionate Reader]

Additionally, IIRC, the analysis done post-2007 determined that those hairs originally considered "microscopically similar" were, in fact, not from any of the falsely-convicted.

 

[OppermanReport]

Hi
I'd just like to clear up some confusion about the WM3 shows. I actually did 3 shows.

1. On the facts and guilt of the three confessed convicted child killers.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzq392gFLzY"]The Opperman Report- Ed Opperman with guest Shaun Wheeler 2013 09 26 - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb2Iqi10sgc"]Opperman Report : Terry Hobbs, Shaun Wheeler, West Memphis Three, Paradise Lost Purgatory - YouTube[/ame]

2. On the obsessive stalking behavior of the supporters.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob8Mx0vZg6M"]Firing Lines Douglas Dietrich, Guest Host Ed Opperman WM3 2013 11 09 - YouTube[/ame]

3. The Occult connections of Echols. Mostly present day connections after his release.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7meKRltMYQw"]Opperman Report: William Ramsey, Aleister Crowley, 9/11, New World Order 2013 11 21 - YouTube[/ame]

I've been following and researching the case since the 90s. I initially thought the three were NG and even offered to help the defense. Shortly came to the conclusion that the three are guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. So there's nothing objective about my reporting on these confessed convicted child killers.

I was put in touch with Pam Hicks by Terry Hobbs, she was very happy about coming on the show until there was a lot of hostile reaction from the fans and supporters of these killers.
But is was Shaun Wheeler that took ill so we had to reschedule the whole thing at the very last second.

As a PI and DFI I've been involved in some of the biggest news stories of the past few years including Tiger Woods, Charlie Sheen, Todd and Sarah Palin that evolved into a Congressional Investigation and Hearing into Secret Service misbehavior. So I'm no stranger to high profile cases or controversies but I have never experienced the kind of assaults that comes with WM3 supporters.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

:wagon:

So glad to see you here!!

Would like to know more about some of the harassment Terry Hobbs experienced, he mentioned some of it during your show, am sure he has a tale of horror to share, sadly!

 

[OppermanReport]

Hi
I'd just like to clear up some confusion about the WM3 shows. I actually did 3 shows.

1. On the facts and guilt of the three confessed convicted child killers.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzq392gFLzY"]The Opperman Report- Ed Opperman with guest Shaun Wheeler 2013 09 26 - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb2Iqi10sgc"]Opperman Report : Terry Hobbs, Shaun Wheeler, West Memphis Three, Paradise Lost Purgatory - YouTube[/ame]

2. On the obsessive stalking behavior of the supporters.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob8Mx0vZg6M"]Firing Lines Douglas Dietrich, Guest Host Ed Opperman WM3 2013 11 09 - YouTube[/ame]

3. The Occult connections of Echols. Mostly present day connections after his release.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7meKRltMYQw"]Opperman Report: William Ramsey, Aleister Crowley, 9/11, New World Order 2013 11 21 - YouTube[/ame]

I've been following and researching the case since the 90s. I initially thought the three were NG and even offered to help the defense. Shortly came to the conclusion that the three are guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. So there's nothing objective about my reporting on these confessed convicted child killers.

I was put in touch with Pam Hicks by Terry Hobbs, she was very happy about coming on the show until there was a lot of hostile reaction from the fans and supporters of these killers.
But is was Shaun Wheeler that took ill so we had to reschedule the whole thing at the very last second.

As a PI and DFI I've been involved in some of the biggest news stories of the past few years including Tiger Woods, Charlie Sheen, Todd and Sarah Palin that evolved into a Congressional Investigation and Hearing into Secret Service misbehavior. So I'm no stranger to high profile cases or controversies but I have never experienced the kind of assaults that comes with WM3 supporters.