Tes search for caylee is over

[Noway]

So they have a picture of the first necklace. When they went back, the necklace had been removed? Is that right?

And they have the necklace that belongs to Casey, which when compared was laid out in the same pattern of beads?

I do think Casey would be the kind to memorialize Caylee, so I can see her marking the place in some way. I believe Caylee's death was accidental. IMO she tried to chloroform Caylee but didn't think about the dosage needing to be smaller or didn't know that the rag would continue to give off fumes, thereby killing Caylee.

My family is back ... I'm going to spend some time with them. I need it bad. Good night all.

 

[cocoamom]

I just made an executive decision. I am taking off work tomorrow and going ~

I know from another site that I cannot disclose that a rope was found by independent searchers a few weeks ago tied to something by the water. When they pulled the rope (I think LE was called in), whatever was on the other end in the water broke free. I understood that when TES came back they were to use their underwater equipment to go see what it was. Do not know and can get no info as to whether or not this was done. It sounds like LP is going to the same area. Rope found where the river makes it's bend to the South. I believe this is across the river from the cemetary - early speculation was that an Anthony grandfather(?) buried here.

Not making this up - I just get around!!!

 

[Pink Panther]

1. Now that everyone has given up the search pretty much and all are saying nothing but animal bones are we searchers allowed to talk about what we found?
2. I was at Blanchard Park (Econlockhatchee River) Saturday. In 4 hours we barely scratched the surface, the park is MILES long, heavy woods, ditches, river, woods, paths, trails, etc
3. JC Penneys does not have a craft department
4. Her cell pinged near where a HANCOCK FABRIC store is in East Orlando. Here in FL Hancock fabrics is popular. They sell discontinued fabrics, burlap, upholstery material, plastic and yes, crafts and beads. Yes there was a receipt from Hancock Fabrics for somewhere around $8-$9.
5. I cannot recall the day she pinged there but I think it was the same day she had a wild ping late afternoon way East that WSers were trying to figure out - My theory was that she went to get her nails done at some nail shop Amy mentioned out East there near Wedgefield (which I drove by on my way home yesterday)
6. It was very spooky driving by places that we have discussed so much here - the Amscot, Wedgefield, the place GA was staring into the woods, and our whole chatty bus became dead silent when we entered Blanchard Park.
7. Why do I start shaking so bad when I start to write to you all about this case?

cocao - Why do you think that the search was called off? If, as you say, you guys hardly got the chance to scratch the surface, why would TM state that all areas had been searched???

 

[NancyT]

I make most of my own jewelry. I have bought beads in craft stores, but rarely found them in craft departments of regular stores. I have never found them in our Target.

JC Penney does indeed sell the sets in their Christmas catalog. As did/does Sears. I'm not even sure if Sears still puts a wishbook out, but they did when my children were younger. Penney's may even have them from time to time in their stores as well. They have tons of extra little things sitting in their isles at all times.

My point with Target is, even when Casey is using someone else's money, she still tries to buy things on the cheap. I can't imagine for a simple craft project that she'd change up her shopping habits. I certainly was not picking on someone who shops at Target.

Can I tell you where she bought these beads? No, but I certainly am not going to come onto a message board and start insisting that she didn't buy them, here, here, or there, like someone else feels is appropriate to do.

If it's true that she bought the necklaces at Penney's and added the beads later, that will be very damning evidence if those extra beads match up.

For the record, I do not wear jewelry. I have a ton of it (nothing in beads though), but I can't stand the stuff on my body.

Chilly, go run a search on the bead kits at eBay. I saw some that I think many would consider to not be too childish for a very small amount of money.

 

[ThoughtElf]

I know that many of you joined WS because of Caylee's case. I applaud you for caring, as we all care. :clap:

I need to say this with all respect to Caylee, and with extreme respect for your feelings.

There have been MANY cases where women and small children have been thrown in dumpsters in the last few years. Only a few were ever found. In the Blagg case, a landfill was deconstructd by bio-hazard search teams for a very LONG time to try to find an adult woman and a 6 year old child.

The mother's body was found, because one of her femurs was intact. The child's body has NEVER been found. Abby Blagg.

It has ALWAYS been my opinion that the car was parked by the Amscott dumpster for a reason. That Caylee was put into something like a bag or box and dumped in the dumpster, with the body going to the landfill undetected. This fits what we know about Casey- do the easiest thing, then don't even cover your tracks well. Think about the smell in the car.. a dead child's body being in the trunk until the smell was overpowering. The car trunk was a temporary hiding place until it was the night before the dumpster was emptied, IMO.
I believe this with all my heart. It is the simplest answer as to what happened to Caylee's body. It fits the best with Casey's disordered personality.

The landfill is huge and too much time passed between the time Caylee was probably murdered and when her disappearance was finally reported to LE.. Casey made sure that Caylee's body would not be found, IMO.

I think that we really need to try to accept that all was done to find her that can humanly be done. That Casey can be prosecuted without a body being found.
It has been done many times in the past.

Caylee is with God. She has been, no matter what happened to her physical body after death. The tragedy is her death. Not the fact that her body cannot be located this far out from the crime date.

Tom Miller, TES, all of the volunteer searchers braved extremely dangerous conditions in the Orlando area swamps looking for her body. All who participated and supported the effort are to be applauded.
I think they went above and beyond in their searches, and I believe Tim Miller is exactly right that this is a closed chapter in the case. That Caylee's body will never be found. It's OK. She wasn't in her body. Casey can be prosecuted successfully without the body being found.

Please don't despair or blame anyone other than Casey.

Respectfully,
:blowkiss:
Maria

Nicely stated.

Thank you

 

[Edam]

2. I was at Blanchard Park (Econlockhatchee River) Saturday. In 4 hours we barely scratched the surface, the park is MILES long, heavy woods, ditches, river, woods, paths, trails, etc

Which makes the fact that they gave up the search all the more nonsensical.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Well, I couldn't remove a 30# dead weight from a pool, with a shovel. And, I have six inches and 30 pounds on KC. I'm also fitter, I think.

No, it would be very difficult. I don't believe Casey would have put a two day dead Caylee in the pool in an attempt to stage a drowning. The condition of the body after two days would have made it obvious that ploy wouldn't work. I also can't believe she drove around for ten days with Caylee's body in a plastic bag and then 'dragged' it to the river. Sorry to be graphic, but ten days in a hot car trunk in Florida would basically turn a body into soup.

 

[Salem]

Very well said, I totally agree.

Me too SeekingJana. Very well said!

Salem

 

[panthera]

Well, I couldn't remove a 30# dead weight from a pool, with a shovel. And, I have six inches and 30 pounds on KC. I'm also fitter, I think.

I'd try the shovel experiment just to see how difficult that would be without the dead weight at the bottom, but I don't have a clean shovel that wouldn't leave dirt in the pool. Even pulling the pool sweep out of the water isn't easy, and I'm stronger than I imagine Casey is too.

 

[Capri]

Thanks to all of you who traveled, left your families, took off work, and endlessly worked through the brush and briars, snakes and gators, to search. Thanks also to those who sent pizza deliveries and water from long distance cities, and everyone else who pulled together to make this happen. It was a job well done. Don't be sad by the result, the efforts is what we are proud of, it was & is enough. Thank you!

 

[Chilly Willy]

JC Penney does indeed sell the sets in their Christmas catalog. As did/does Sears. I'm not even sure if Sears still puts a wishbook out, but they did when my children were younger. Penney's may even have them from time to time in their stores as well. They have tons of extra little things sitting in their isles at all times.

My point with Target is, even when Casey is using someone else's money, she still tries to buy things on the cheap. I can't imagine for a simple craft project that she'd change up her shopping habits. I certainly was not picking on someone who shops at Target.

Can I tell you where she bought these beads? No, but I certainly am not going to come onto a message board and start insisting that she didn't buy them, here, here, or there, like someone else feels is appropriate to do.

If it's true that she bought the necklaces at Penney's and added the beads later, that will be very damning evidence if those extra beads match up.

For the record, I do not wear jewelry. I have a ton of it (nothing in beads though), but I can't stand the stuff on my body.

Chilly, go run a search on the bead kits at eBay. I saw some that I think many would consider to not be too childish for a very small amount of money.

I'm just not seeing the point in debating whether the beads were grown-up beads or kid's beads. What matters is if they were the same beads Casey used in the past and had at the home.

 

[NancyT]

Maybe there is just nothing left to be found, seriously. Gators, etc. As much as we all want it, I have to believe that with all the searchers, a very thorough job was done. There are other missing children, too, and as much as we wanted her found, I'd like for some of the other families of missing kids get even 1/10 of the search time that the Anthony family got for Caylee.

It's possible that Caylee may have been tossed in that river with no clothing on, but what would a gator do? Would he eat the clothing in this type of situation? Surely their body wouldn't digest that? Would they spit it out, or up?

 

[AutomaticAuttie]

According to KC's pings how often was she in JB park?

 

[Salem]

No, it would be very difficult. I don't believe Casey would have put a two day old Caylee in the pool in an attempt to stage a drowning. The condition of the body after two days would have made it obvious that ploy wouldn't work. I also can't believe she drove around for ten days with Caylee's body in a plastic bag and then 'dragged' it to the river. Sorry to be graphic, but ten days in a hot car trunk in Florida would basically turn a body into soup.

I agree Chilly - and also it is inconsistent with the decomp report from the TN facility. I believe KC dumped the body well before the 27th.

I do think KC may have used someone else's car for the final transport though.

Salem

 

[panthera]

No, it would be very difficult. I don't believe Casey would have put a two day old Caylee in the pool in an attempt to stage a drowning. The condition of the body after two days would have made it obvious that ploy wouldn't work. I also can't believe she drove around for ten days with Caylee's body in a plastic bag and then 'dragged' it to the river. Sorry to be graphic, but ten days in a hot car trunk in Florida would basically turn a body into soup.

Also, after 2 days there would be noticeable decomposition and I can't see Casey handling the body. MOO

 

[cocoamom]

Based on your experience in assisting with the searching :blowkiss:, do you think a find of a beaded cross in a tree during the first would have been ignored?

OK, earlier today I read on this site somewhere that the necklace with the questionable beads/cross was found on the ground/woods. In a nearby tree was
a hand-fashioned cross that was determined to have been placed there by a family who lost someone (NOT related to Anthony's). They replaced the handmade cross in the tree but later it was gone. Someone probably took something they shouldn't have...we tried to be respectful while searching of citizens trying to have a peaceful picnic, jogging, soccer games, etc.

Nothing and I mean nothing was ignored!! But there is/was way too much area with way too much stuff to search extremely thoroughly. There was trash and bottles and clothing and bags of junk you wouldn't BELIEVE the mess in the woods. Nothing was left to chance.

 

[whittymom4]

Yeah, and now she didn't buy two crosses, she bought beads and made a cross.

I doubt she would be safe from the gators in a suitcase... wouldn't they just bite into it if they detected a body?

That is what I thought to but then someone said that the gators don't hunt? they will go on site? That doesn't sound correct, I am going to try and find something on Animal Planet or Discovery, something...

 

[Chilly Willy]

Which makes the fact that they gave up the search all the more nonsensical.

I see it differently, Edam. The area to be search is so vast, there's just too much to search. It's like looking for a needle under a thousand haystacks without even knowing if the needle is under the hay at all. I think it's wise for Tim to give up and I think he deserves everyone's support in that. The search effort has failed, but we don't want Tim to feel that he personally has failed.

 

[NancyT]

Based on your experience in assisting with the searching :blowkiss:, do you think a find of a beaded cross in a tree during the first would have been ignored?

Why do you have to imply that it was ignored? What IF it wasn't seen?

 

[bessie]

I brought up the leaf removal and how difficult it would be for somebody Casey's size to remove Caylee's body from the bottom of the pool with a heavy shovel. I just wanted to add ~ the fact that the shovel most likely would be sharp and could cut Caylee's body or leave a noticeable scrape on the bottom of the pool. MOO

Panthera, I'm so sorry. I should've taken the time to go back and find your post so I could quote you properly. The threads are moving so quickly and there's so much to read, my head's reeling. Will you please accept my apology?

You make another valid point here, too!