The 6 minute phone call when JH failed to talk to anyone

[stmarysmead]

Assuming all good and honest people in that daycare room, EVEN if RH just said..."Is LH there? Have her call me right away!" ....I think they would have had a different response to LH's outburst that the Baby was in the car. Because they would know...something was up. Or they would say..."He's trying to reach you...here's the phone ...call him."

So, if he spoke to someone...that someone stayed silent in LH's presence. She/he let LH go to RH's workplace knowing that he was not there and the child was dead. That's pretty cold unless that person felt it was in her own or his own best interest.

The police kept telling him..."call your wife." He supposed knew just when she would arrive at the Daycare. Why would he call there so much earlier? And why is LH on radio silence for such a stretch? Didn't he text her when he couldn't get through? And wouldn't she immediately check calls and texts when Cooper was not a daycare.

This whole thing is so OFF.

 

[hopingicanhelp]

Assuming all good and honest people in that daycare room, EVEN if RH just said..."Is LH there? Have her call me right away!" ....I think they would have had a different response to LH's outburst that the Baby was in the car. Because they would know...something was up. Or they would say..."He's trying to reach you...here's the phone ...call him."

So, if he spoke to someone...that someone stayed silent in LH's presence. She/he let LH go to RH's workplace knowing that he was not there and the child was dead. That's pretty cold unless that person felt it was in her own or his own best interest.
The police kept telling him..."call your wife." He supposed knew just when she would arrive at the Daycare. Why would he call there so much earlier? And why is LH on radio silence for such a stretch? Didn't he text her when he couldn't get through? And wouldn't she immediately check calls and texts when Cooper was not a daycare.

This whole thing is so OFF.

BBM

I get what you're saying except it was a busy time of day (or is for most daycares) being so close to 5 -- we don't know how chaotic it was; how many parents were there at that time picking up their children? How many staff members were there still on the clock and how dispersed were they?

At my son's preschool, if no one is in the office to pick up the phone, the line starts ringing in the classrooms -- I've called up there and spoken with several teachers and had to be transferred; it gets especially hectic if my son's class in not in the room but in a different area (outside time, art room time, with a "special visitor" in another assigned room, etc).

So not knowing what RH might have said and to whom, it could have been kind of a chaotic time with several people involved that spoke with him briefly only to transfer/put him on hold again...

However, in combination with the fact that he LIED about being on a call... and with all the other events of the afternoon, you are absolutely correct!! OFF!!

 

[stmarysmead]

BBM

I get what you're saying except it was a busy time of day (or is for most daycares) being so close to 5 -- we don't know how chaotic it was; how many parents were there at that time picking up their children? How many staff members were there still on the clock and how dispersed were they?

At my son's preschool, if no one is in the office to pick up the phone, the line starts ringing in the classrooms -- I've called up there and spoken with several teachers and had to be transferred; it gets especially hectic if my son's class in not in the room but in a different area (outside time, art room time, with a "special visitor" in another assigned room, etc).

So not knowing what RH might have said and to whom, it could have been kind of a chaotic time with several people involved that spoke with him briefly only to transfer/put him on hold again...

However, in combination with the fact that he LIED about being on a call... and with all the other events of the afternoon, you are absolutely correct!! OFF!!

You make an excellent point here. And this could indeed be what happened.

But...I think in such a terrible, terrible, plain awful situation...if he spoke to anyone...he would say "THIS IS an EMERGENCY!" I can't imagine doing anything else! He would be everyone's priority then. I just can't imagine that if he had any human contact on that call that he would just act normal, or make small talk, or cooperatively hang on and be passed around....without literally screaming that he needed to be put through to his wife. He did tell the police to "F%#< off!" He wasn't in a patient, submissive mood IMO.

 

[hopingicanhelp]

You make an excellent point here. And this could indeed be what happened.

But...I think in such a terrible, terrible, plain awful situation...if he spoke to anyone...he would say "THIS IS an EMERGENCY!" I can't imagine doing anything else! He would be everyone's priority then. I just can't imagine that if he had any human contact on that call that he would just act normal, or make small talk, or cooperatively hang on and be passed around....without literally screaming that he needed to be put through to his wife. He did tell the police to "F%#< off!" He wasn't in a patient, submissive mood IMO.

Yep, absolutely -- and had he done that in my son's preschool, the teacher speaking with him would have announced over the intercom in some form or fashion that management was needed immediately on the phone and would have also called for someone to relieve the child's teacher so she could be available immediately as well. (They don't do that with "regular check-in" calls because it would be impossible for the teachers to round up the kids outside and hurry in for a call that could have waited, kwim?)

ETA: I think cursing out the police might have been because they were questioning him about a call he didn't want to be noticed and he didn't want to be told what to do... ???

So.... other than his wailing and yanking on trees, he didn't want attention called to himself at Akers Mill (or at least on LE attention) -- and I think it's fair to speculate he didn't want too much attention paid to that phone call... especially since he lied about being on it.

He was very choosy about when he did & did not want attention -- very odd for an emergency.

JMO

 

[gngr~snap]

Yea, that 6-minute call is bugging me. Dear Prudence and gngr~snap brought up a good point upthread (post #37) -- perhaps it was LH that JRH spoke to toddler room 5. As I commented on their post, I had never thought about that, but, now I see that as a possiblity. We know JRH made 3 calls, but we don't know the times of those calls...or do we? I'll have to look that up when I get home. But, maybe he was on hold until LH arrived at the daycare, and then he spoke to her. Jmo.

A witness mentioned a heart breaking call to his wife... I can't imagine the witness hallucinated that, but someone on the scene clearly was seeing what wasn't there cause the testimony is the exact opposite of all the others. I wonder if the "organic guy" was the one that heard the heart breaking call...

No, R. Smith
R Smith

R. says Harris was then handcuffed by police officers after he became irate during a heart-breaking phone call to his wife Leanna during which he told her ‘our baby is dead’.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...or-awful-day-make-supporters-think-twice.html

Several witnesses are puctured here. Should we put this in whos who? We may see them again at trial.

 

[Spice]

Yea, that 6-minute call is bugging me. Dear Prudence and gngr~snap brought up a good point upthread (post #37) -- perhaps it was LH that JRH spoke to toddler room 5. As I commented on their post, I had never thought about that, but, now I see that as a possiblity. We know JRH made 3 calls, but we don't know the times of those calls...or do we? I'll have to look that up when I get home. But, maybe he was on hold until LH arrived at the daycare, and then he spoke to her. Jmo.

I though LH was notified that Cooper was dead by LE at the Home Depot parking lot and not at the daycare.

All she was told at daycare was that Cooper was not dropped off. Then she immediately assumes that "Ross left him in the car" and the daycare staffers are thoroughly confused by why she would say such a thing and try to console her. She then asks to see her husband and not Cooper. So RH couldn't have spoken to a daycare worker there via phone or Leanne?

Then she is notified by LE at HD parking lot and calls her mother who questions her lack of emotion. Ross wasn't the one that notified her, LE was. (From what we know).

All I know is that he felt the need to lie about that particular phone call.

 

[Dear Prudence]

You make an excellent point here. And this could indeed be what happened.

But...I think in such a terrible, terrible, plain awful situation...if he spoke to anyone...he would say "THIS IS an EMERGENCY!" I can't imagine doing anything else! He would be everyone's priority then. I just can't imagine that if he had any human contact on that call that he would just act normal, or make small talk, or cooperatively hang on and be passed around....without literally screaming that he needed to be put through to his wife. He did tell the police to "F%#< off!" He wasn't in a patient, submissive mood IMO.

Witnesses and LE said RH appeared to be speaking to someone on the phone. With all the confusion and people around I suppose they could be mistaken, but I think he was.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1407/03/wolf.02.html
UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: When the defendant, after he separated himself from the child and got on the phone, did he appear to be to the witnesses talking on the phone?

STODDARD: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: Did you talk to officers who actually encountered him?

STODDARD: Yes, i did.

UNIDENTIFIED PROSECUTOR: What did they say he was doing on the phone?

STODDARD: He stated he was telling somebody on the phone that his child had died.

 

[gngr~snap]

A witness mentioned a heart breaking call to his wife... I can't imagine the witness hallucinated that, but someone on the scene clearly was seeing what wasn't there cause the testimony is the exact opposite of all the others. I wonder if the "organic guy" was the one that heard the heart breaking call...

No, R. Smith
R Smith

R. says Harris was then handcuffed by police officers after he became irate during a heart-breaking phone call to his wife Leanna during which he told her ‘our baby is dead’.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...or-awful-day-make-supporters-think-twice.html

Several witnesses are puctured here. Should we put this in whos who? We may see them again at trial.

Do we have a who's who? I guess not.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Do we have a who's who? I guess not.

We have a "witnesses" thread

ETA: A who's who thread would be helpful though.

 

[gngr~snap]

We have a "witnesses" thread

I put it there. Thank you!

 

[human]

Assuming all good and honest people in that daycare room, EVEN if RH just said..."Is LH there? Have her call me right away!" ....I think they would have had a different response to LH's outburst that the Baby was in the car. Because they would know...something was up. Or they would say..."He's trying to reach you...here's the phone ...call him."

So, if he spoke to someone...that someone stayed silent in LH's presence. She/he let LH go to RH's workplace knowing that he was not there and the child was dead. That's pretty cold unless that person felt it was in her own or his own best interest.

The police kept telling him..."call your wife." He supposed knew just when she would arrive at the Daycare. Why would he call there so much earlier? And why is LH on radio silence for such a stretch? Didn't he text her when he couldn't get through? And wouldn't she immediately check calls and texts when Cooper was not a daycare.

This whole thing is so OFF.

You are so right on all of your comments. Wow. Good thinking and explaining it so well!

 

[Dear Prudence]

A witness mentioned a heart breaking call to his wife... I can't imagine the witness hallucinated that, but someone on the scene clearly was seeing what wasn't there cause the testimony is the exact opposite of all the others. I wonder if the "organic guy" was the one that heard the heart breaking call...

No, R. Smith
R Smith

R. says Harris was then handcuffed by police officers after he became irate during a heart-breaking phone call to his wife Leanna during which he told her ‘our baby is dead’.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...or-awful-day-make-supporters-think-twice.html

Several witnesses are puctured here. Should we put this in whos who? We may see them again at trial.

So, we have witness R. Smith (he's an employee at the pizza place RH pulled in by) saying RH was on the phone telling someone "our baby is dead" and he assumes he's speaking to his wife. We also have Stoddard testifying that witnesses thought it appeared Harris was talking to someone on the phone and the LEO at the scene said he heard Harris telling someone on the phone that his child is dead.

I really think he reached someone during the 6-minute call. At least I hope he wouldn't be leaving that in a message. It has to be someone in toddler room 5 at the day care.

 

[Spice]

I just rewatched that part of the hearing. (Start it at 12:07). If anyone has a chance can you tell me what you get from those few minutes of testimony?

Ross walks away when Anthony starts doing CPR on Cooper. Ross walks over to the other side of his car and gets on his phone.

According to Stoddard, (this is where I need clarification) Officers that encountered him doing this either say that Ross said that he was telling someone on the phone that his child died. Or the Officers themselves overheard him say those words.


I wish the prosecutor would have clarified who Stoddard was talking about when he said "He stated that he was telling someone that his child died" Who is he? Officers or Ross?

Witnesses see Ross on the talking on the phone but it is Ross himself that tells officers that he is on the phone telling someone that his child just died?

Ross later tells Stoddard that he never got anyone on the phone. Although he tells officers the opposite and officers at the scene heard him talking.

When Stoddard reviews Ross' phone activity he finds 3 phone calls that Ross made.



#1 is to Leanne and appears to be a missed phone call (Stoddard's words) .

#2 is to Home Depot Corporate Center using their main number.

#3 is a call is a different number but is also for Home Depot Corporate. This one goes through, ends up at Toddler Room 5. The entire call lasts for 6 minutes according to RH's phone log.

So bottom line is this.

Ross was on the phone at the scene.

Officers that encountered him heard him talking on the phone to someone.

LE officers encounter Ross talking.

Ross himself either states to the officers interacting with him at the scene that he is telling someone that his child died. ( I missed this the first time ) or Officers heard him say these words.

Ross later changes his story, lies, and tells Detective Stoddard that he was not on the phone with anybody.

If you start it at 11:58 and watch through to 13:50 and please tell me what you hear.

When Stoddard discussing Ross and the officers at the scene, Does Stoddard say "He stated that he was telling someone that his child died" as in Ross stated this to officers? Or officers are telling Stoddard that is what they overheard Ross say on the phone? Either way, Ross denies every reaching anybody or talking to anybody on the phone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-tiBT_0nNg <------Hearing.

 

[gngr~snap]

Jane Velez Mitchell and the 6 min phone call. "Breaking news"... up next on HLN for anyone able to listen.

 

[Spice]

Jane Velez Mitchell and the 6 min phone call. "Breaking news"... up next on HLN for anyone able to listen.

I can't. She drives me nuts and all I can see is a bizarre version of LaToya Jackson when I look at her.

 

[Lovejac]

I'm just turned on JVM and right before it went to commercial a woman said that JH told LH that Cooper was dead BEFORE she went to the day care.

I'll let you know what is said when it comes back on.

 

[Cinnamon]

I just rewatched that part of the hearing. (Start it at 12:07). If anyone has a chance can you tell me what you get from those few minutes of testimony?

Ross walks away when Anthony starts doing CPR on Cooper. Ross walks over to the other side of his car and gets on his phone.

According to Stoddard, Officers that encountered him doing this say that Ross said that he was telling someone on the phone that his child died.


Witnesses see Ross on the talking on the phone but it is Ross himself that tells officers that he is on the phone telling someone that his child just died.

Ross later tells Stoddard that he never got anyone on the phone. Although he tells officers the opposite and officers at the scene heard him talking.

When Stoddard reviews Ross' phone activity he finds 3 phone calls that Ross made.



#1 is to Leanne and appears to be a missed phone call (Stoddard's words) .

#2 is to Home Depot Corporate Center using their main number.

#3 is a call is a different number but is also for Home Depot Corporate. This one goes through, ends up at Toddler Room 5. The entire call lasts for 6 minutes according to RH's phone log.

So bottom line is this.

Ross was on the phone at the scene.

Officers that encountered him heard him talking on the phone to someone.

They ask him who he is talking too/what he is doing.

Ross himself states to the officers interacting with him at the scene that he is telling someone that his child died. ( I missed this the first time )

Ross later changes his story, lies, and tells Detective Stoddard that he was not on the phone with anybody.

If you start it at 11:58 and watch through to 13:50 and please tell me what you hear.

When Stoddard discussing Ross and the officers at the scene, Does Stoddard say "He stated that he was telling someone that his child died" as in Ross stated this to officers? Or officers are telling Stoddard that is what they overheard Ross say on the phone? Either way, Ross denies being on the phone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-tiBT_0nNg <------Hearing.

TY. I'll listen when I get home. Very strange, imo, why did he lie? IMO, there's a lot more to this 6-minute call than we know right now. Det. Stoddard said it can take up to 6 weeks to get AT&T records...arrrggggh, it hasn't even been 2 weeks since the hearing! But, they probably requested those records before the hearing, I hope. Inquiring minds need to know, lol. :waiting: :waiting: :waiting:

 

[osu]

Fellow chef at Uncle Maddio&#8217;s, Rodney Smith, agrees with his colleagues version of events.
Rodney, 24, also said Harris was behaving &#8216;suspiciously&#8217; after he pulled to a halt outside the restaurant where passers-by desperately tried to revive little Cooper.
He confirmed Harris had said his son had been choking and said the frantic dad was pacing in circles and pulling on the branches of nearby trees.

Rodney says Harris was then handcuffed by police officers after he became irate during a heart-breaking phone call to his wife Leanna during which he told her &#8216;our baby is dead&#8217;.

Rodney said: &#8216;He was going crazy and the police cuffed him. He was trying to tell his wife what was going on but he didn't get much out because he was really - I guess you would say - in drama shock.
'A police officer said to him, "Calm down and explain to your wife what's going on". I didn't hear what he said because I was going back in but then whatever he said triggered the police officer to say, "You need to watch your mouth" and then they put the handcuffs on him.

'I don't know what he said to the wife - the only thing I heard was that he told her that her son was dead after that I couldn't hear.&#8217;
Rodney added: 'He seemed suspicious. I got a child the same age and I know how it would feel it's devastating but at the same time it was more drama than in shock he was more acting out than he was in shock.
'When you go in shock everything pauses in your brain and you don't know what to do.
&#8216;It was more like he was putting on a show - that's pretty much what I got from it and I'm pretty sure everyone else felt the same way.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ake-supporters-think-twice.html#ixzz37UNRLiGo

 

[Dear Prudence]

When Stoddard says "He stated that he was telling someone that his child died" the prosecutor was asking him what the officer on scene said about RH being on the phone. So I believe the first "he" is the officer and the 2nd "he" is Harris. So the sentence more clearly worded would be: The officer stated that Harris was telling someone that his child died.

 

[Spice]

Should we start a JVM thread and also a NG thread, since they both seem to be covering this every night?