The 6 minute phone call when JH failed to talk to anyone

[al66pine]

The 6 min call. Sorry if I missed this in Det.'s testimony at P/C hearing.
Did Ross phone -
- 'THE main corp' # OR
- 'A corp # (meaning one of several, e.g. one for IT, for for HR, one for each dept)

Was call routed to -
- auto-menu/voice response unit OR
- a 'switchboard operator' (what am I - 100+ yrs old, LOL).

When calling that #, is one option to direct self to Little Apron Academy/day care?

What is the relation between HD & LAA?
Somehow I got the impression that the daycare on HD campus is Bright Horizons, an independent co, which operates daycare at multiple locations.
If so, puzzling, imo, that a person calling an HD corp # could be routed to LAA. I could be way off base.

Which circles us back to Q - what # did Ross call?
Why would he call HD main # or dept #?
ASSuming he knew someone had already called 911 for Cooper, why call HD?
Seems, imo, his phone would have LAA # in his contacts/directory.
Did he dial (press actual # keys) or select from contacts list?

 

[Spice]

When do you think they found out? Stoddard said that JRH stopped at the pizza place parking lot that was close to the movies. People have opined that he was going to try and make it to the movies for his " Big Reveal" but the smell got to him.
I don't know how the logistics of driving to the movies to get sympathy from his friends when he "discovered" Cooper would have worked without having a definitive plan on where to meet up. . Otherwise they would all be in separate cars spread out all over the parking lot.

Another poster stated that RH's friend, Hill, texts RH about 1/2 hour into the 5 o'clock movie because he hadn't shown up. At that point LE already had his phone.

I think he lost control of the situation after lunch and the lightbulbs. I think that was supposed to be the big reveal but his friends pulled away immediately. After that he panicked, and was flying by the seat of his pants. Hence all the weirdness. Watching the guy walk by his car. Telling his friends he is going to be late to a 5:00 P.M. movie at 3:45, 1/2 hour before he ever even leaves work. Messaging LH and asking "when are you picking up my little buddy" That speaks to planning. Then telling the detectives that he left work early as to NOT be late for the movie. It's conflicting. LE also made a point to point out that Ross literally gets in his car at after leaving work and just literally pulls out very fast. Doesn't bother to roll down the windows, nothing. He's just out of there and in a hurry.

I think you are right, the smell in the car was too much and he had to pull over fast because it was too overwhelming. He was in panic mode. He lost control. I think he was planning as he went at that point.

Also, I am now doubting LH even KNEW that RH was going to the movies. If that is the case, why did she rush to The Treehouse after finding out that Cooper was never dropped off at daycare? They had spoken 50 minutes before that at 4:04. He didn't tell her of his plans? Why did she think she could still find him at work?

In reality, he had already made his "discovery" about 30 minutes prior, in that random parking lot. Daycare didn't know...LH didn't know? She thought he was still at the Treehouse?

 

[Spice]

The 6 min call. Sorry if I missed this in Det.'s testimony at P/C hearing.
Did Ross phone -
- 'THE main corp' # OR
- 'A corp # (meaning one of several, e.g. one for IT, for for HR, one for each dept)

Was call routed to -
- auto-menu/voice response unit OR
- a 'switchboard operator' (what am I - 100+ yrs old, LOL).

When calling that #, is one option to direct self to Little Apron Academy/day care?

What is the relation between HD & LAA?
Somehow I got the impression that the daycare on HD campus is Bright Horizons, an independent co, which operates daycare at multiple locations.
If so, puzzling, imo, that a person calling an HD corp # could be routed to LAA. I could be way off base.

Which circles us back to Q - what # did Ross call?
Why would he call HD main # or dept #?
ASSuming he knew someone had already called 911 for Cooper, why call HD?
Seems, imo, his phone would have LAA # in his contacts/directory.
Did he dial (press actual # keys) or select from contacts list?

What is known is all below, from the Detectives testimony:

Prosecutor: When the defendant actually separated himself from his child and got on the phone, did he appear to be per the witnesses, talking on the phone?

Stoddard: Yes.

Prosecutor: Did you talk to officers who actually encountered him?

Stoddard: Yes I did.

Prosecutor: What did they say he was doing on the phone?

Stoddard: He stated that he was telling someone on the phone that his child had died.

Prosecutor: Now, when you spoke to the defendant, what did he say about actually speaking to somebody on the phone?

Stoddard: He stated that he had not gotten anybody on the phone.

Prosecutor: Have you reviewed preliminarily his phone logs?

Stoddard: Yes I have.

Prosecutor: What did those reflect?

Stoddard: They reflected three phone calls.

Prosecutor: What was the first?

Stoddard: First phone call was to Leanna. Um. It looked like it was a missed phone call. The second phone call was to Home Depot Corporate Center. Um. Their main number. Um and there was a third phone number and it was the same one, it was to The Home Depot Corporate Center. And it appeared that this phone number went through and on his records it said six minutes worth of conversation.

Prosecutor: Were you able to track back where that would have gone too? This call to The Home Depot Center?

Stoddard. We did.

Prosecutor: Okay, and where would that have been?

Stoddard: It went back to Toddler Room Five at Little Aprons Academy where Cooper attended school.

Prosecutor: So you have phone records suggesting that he was on the phone for five or six minutes...

Stoddard : Correct.

Prosecutor: You have the officers stating that he was actually talking to somebody on the phone.

Stoddard: Correct

Prosecutor: Did you confront him with this when he said that he actually was not talking to anybody?

Stoddard: I did.

Prosecutor: And what did he say?

Stoddard: He said he wasn't talking to anybody on the phone.

Minutes 12:00 to 13:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-tiBT_0nNg

 

[JerseyGirl]

FOUND IT!

21:00 - part 2, probable cause hearing:

Leanna was accompanied by a male, TJ from LAA. First name is Terrell.

TJ stated he was at the front desk, Leanna came up there and stated that she couldn't find Cooper and that Ross must have left him in the car, he could be no other place.

TJ said there's a million places he could be, have you tried calling him? She said it's going straight to voice mail.

She said, "Can you come over with me to his work?"

They got in her car and drove over to the Treehouse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff6SR0oHFQ8

 

[stmarysmead]

Another poster stated that RH's friend, Hill, texts RH about 1/2 hour into the 5 o'clock movie because he hadn't shown up. At that point LE already had his phone.

I think he lost control of the situation after lunch and the lightbulbs. I think that was supposed to be the big reveal but his friends pulled away immediately. After that he panicked, and was flying by the seat of his pants. Hence all the weirdness. Watching the guy walk by his car. Telling his friends he is going to be late to a 5:00 P.M. movie at 3:45, 1/2 hour before he ever even leaves work. Messaging LH and asking "when are you picking up my little buddy" That speaks to planning. Then telling the detectives that he left work early as to NOT be late for the movie. It's conflicting. LE also made a point to point out that Ross literally gets in his car at after leaving work and just literally pulls out very fast. Doesn't bother to roll down the windows, nothing. He's just out of there and in a hurry.

I think you are right, the smell in the car was too much and he had to pull over fast because it was too overwhelming. He was in panic mode. He lost control. I think he was planning as he went at that point.

Also, I am now doubting LH even KNEW that RH was going to the movies. If that is the case, why did she rush to The Treehouse after finding out that Cooper was never dropped off at daycare? They had spoken 50 minutes before that at 4:04. He didn't tell her of his plans? Why did she think she could still find him at work?

In reality, he had already made his "discovery" about 30 minutes prior, in that random parking lot. Daycare didn't know...LH didn't know. She thought he was still at the Treehouse?

Completely agree! Thank you!

 

[Spice]

FOUND IT!

21:00 - part 2, probable cause hearing:

Leanna was accompanied by a male, TJ from LAA. First name is Terrell.

TJ stated he was at the front desk, Leanna came up there and stated that she couldn't find Cooper and that Ross must have left him in the car, he could be no other place.

TJ said there's a million places he could be, have you tried calling him? She said it's going straight to voice mall.

She said, "Can you come over with me to his work?"

They got in her car and drove over to the Treehouse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff6SR0oHFQ8

So Leanne has no clue he is going to the movies.

To me that is significant.

 

[hopingicanhelp]

I think he lost control of the situation after lunch and the lightbulbs. I think that was supposed to be the big reveal but his friends pulled away immediately. After that he panicked, and was flying by the seat of his pants. Hence all the weirdness. (SNIP BY ME) He's just out of there and in a hurry.

(SNIP BY ME) I think he was planning as he went at that point.

Also, I am now doubting LH even KNEW that RH was going to the movies. If that is the case, why did she rush to The Treehouse after finding out that Cooper was never dropped off at daycare. They had spoken 50 minutes before that at 4:04. He didn't tell her of his plans? Why did she think he was still at work?

Yes, ITA that he was in panic mode...

I have to say there is something that is starting to bug me because I really believe RH planned this --

However, there are things that are starting to stick out to me that could be used by the defense -- they point to the theory that perhaps he WAS so distracted by his "second life"/"alternate personas" that he forgot-- See what I mean? There's many possibilities and some of them make me wonder if he was such a big cheater and liar that he was always trying to cover his cheating/lying tracks -- could some of his panic have come from knowing that his cheating/lying would be discovered -- hence the lies to LE ... that even after learning of his child's death he was trying to save his marriage and cover up his lying/cheating tracks when talking to LE? After all, he's IT and should have known enough to cover his tracks prior to murdering his son if that was his intent...

Please no tomatoes, bear with me a second -- Why would he not tell LH about the movies AND ask her when she was picking up CH AND tell his friends he would be late? Because he wanted his car in the parking lot at work (in case she checked up on him) and make sure he was clear to leave for the movies after she picked up CH --

Again, don't believe it... just becoming a little nervous that his proclivities and nonstop lying could be used as a defense -- how could he have possibly remembered his child was in the car if he was consumed with covering up his lying & cheating all day? I know what we would all argue (that he didn't expect to "get caught", etc -- but what if this is defense argument & jury thinks he's scum but walks him on murder?)

After having read the charges thread and discussion amongst attys over there, I'm concerned about the extent the prosecution will have to show that RH "intentionally" left him in the car knowing the dangers.

 

[hopingicanhelp]

So Leanne has no clue he is going to the movies.

To me that is significant.

Or she's not thinking clearly...

Or he never intended to go to the movies (and either she was in on it OR he never mentioned movies because there was no intention of going)....

I keep coming back to what several have mentioned -- he wanted his friends at lunchtime to be present when he discovered CH -- something in him made him hesitate at the time though (Maybe he couldn't get their attention or couldn't think of a good enough reason to ask them to wait at the car?)

 

[JerseyGirl]

And also, why did she take TJ out of his front desk responsibilities at LAA and go with her to the Treehouse.

Because she didn't want to go alone, wanted someone with her who could shield her from the possible questioning by police.

MOO

 

[Spice]

Yes, ITA that he was in panic mode...

I have to say there is something that is starting to bug me because I really believe RH planned this --

However, there are things that are starting to stick out to me that could be used by the defense -- they point to the theory that perhaps he WAS so distracted by his "second life"/"alternate personas" that he forgot-- See what I mean? There's many possibilities and some of them make me wonder if he was such a big cheater and liar that he was always trying to cover his cheating/lying tracks -- could some of his panic have come from knowing that his cheating/lying would be discovered -- hence the lies to LE ... that even after learning of his child's death he was trying to save his marriage and cover up his lying/cheating tracks when talking to LE? After all, he's IT and should have known enough to cover his tracks prior to murdering his son if that was his intent...

Please no tomatoes, bear with me a second -- Why would he not tell LH about the movies AND ask her when she was picking up CH AND tell his friends he would be late? Because he wanted his car in the parking lot at work (in case she checked up on him) and make sure he was clear to leave for the movies after she picked up CH --

Again, don't believe it... just becoming a little nervous that his proclivities and nonstop lying could be used as a defense -- how could he have possibly remembered his child was in the car if he was consumed with covering up his lying & cheating all day? I know what we would all argue (that he didn't expect to "get caught", etc -- but what if this is defense argument & jury thinks he's scum but walks him on murder?)

After having read the charges thread and discussion amongst attys over there, I'm concerned about the extent the prosecution will have to show that RH "intentionally" left him in the car knowing the dangers.

No tomatoes coming from me!

The thing about the "distracted defense" is that they may try to say that RH was distracted by covering his tracks, that his memory was effected by meds, that he was deaf in one ear. BUT he is not blind. He had two eyes that work just fine. And it was IMPOSSIBLE for him not to see Cooper when he left him in the car in the morning, at lunch, and then later. Impossible. I think that will cook his goose for sure once the jury sees how small the inside of that car is and how the car seat looked inside of it. There is just no getting around that. And I think that and that on its own will prove that he intentionally left him there.

I think he asked LH what time she was picking up Cooper to show LE and everyone else that he "truly forgot" and that message would prove it in his mind.

As far as LH and the movie plans. We don't know. Either she did know of his plan to kill Cooper and was playing along with it,playing dumb by going to the Treehouse, or she truly was in the dark about it and thought he was still at work. I do find it interesting though and I think it will be important in the end.

He calls in late to the 5 oclock movie at 3:45
Leanne calls him at 4:00, he misses the call and they play phone tag
Leanne and RH connect via phone at 4:04 and talk for a little over a minute
He leaves work 9 minutes later , 4:16 and "drives to the movies"
At around 4:21 he pulls over and "discovers" Cooper
Shortly thereafter, while LE is there, he makes 3 phone calls, 1 missed to Leanne, and 2 to HD with the final one lasting 6 minutes and tracked to Toddler Room 5
At 4:51 she attempts to pick Cooper up at daycare and is told he is not there and asks the daycare worker to bring her to the Treehouse to see Ross.

Alot goes on in that one little hour and It's all so off.

 

[Cinnamon]

So Leanne has no clue he is going to the movies.

To me that is significant.

I just posted about this on the other thread (not sure which one, there's so many, lol). Maybe she was pretending not to have a clue? Maybe it was part of a plan ?? JMO. As I mentioned, I'm still on the fence regarding her involvement, but things are just a little too strange for me. :waiting: :waiting: :waiting: for more info. jmo.

 

[Spice]

I just posted about this on the other thread (not sure which one, there's so many, lol). Maybe she was pretending not to have a clue? Maybe it was part of a plan ?? JMO. As I mentioned, I'm still on the fence regarding her involvement, but things are just a little too strange for me. :waiting: :waiting: :waiting: for more info. jmo.

Totally possible.

 

[LinasK]

No tomatoes coming from me!

The thing about the "distracted defense" is that they may try to say that RH was distracted by covering his tracks, that his memory was effected by meds, that he was deaf in one ear. BUT he is not blind. He had two eyes that work just fine. And it was IMPOSSIBLE for him not to see Cooper when he left him in the car in the morning, at lunch, and then later. Impossible. I think that will cook his goose for sure once the jury sees how small the inside of that car is and how the car seat looked inside of it. There is just no getting around that. And I think that and that on its own will prove that he intentionally left him there.

I think he asked LH what time she was picking up Cooper to show LE and everyone else that he "truly forgot" and that message would prove it in his mind.

As far as LH and the movie plans. We don't know. Either she did know of his plan to kill Cooper and was playing along with it,playing dumb by going to the Treehouse, or she truly was in the dark about it and thought he was still at work. I do find it interesting though and I think it will be important in the end.

He calls in late to the 5 oclock movie at 3:45
Leanne calls him at 4:00, he misses the call and they play phone tag
Leanne and RH connect via phone at 4:04 and talk for a little over a minute
He leaves work 9 minutes later , 4:16 and "drives to the movies"
At around 4:21 he pulls over and "discovers" Cooper
Shortly thereafter, while LE is there, he makes 3 phone calls, 1 missed to Leanne, and 2 to HD with the final one lasting 6 minutes and tracked to Toddler Room 5
At 4:51 she attempts to pick Cooper up at daycare and is told he is not there and asks the daycare worker to bring her to the Treehouse to see Ross.

Alot goes on in that one little hour and It's all so off.

And as I've said before the "deafness" or lack of it can be proved/disproved by an audiogram.

 

[JerseyGirl]

So maybe the 4:04 phone call could be him saying, "I'm leaving the office in a few minutes, you go to day care and be shocked when they tell you he died because I'll call them first so they can break the news to you".

MOO

She probably thought he'd "find" Cooper when he got to the car in the HD parking lot, not that he'd drive around and then pull in somewhere.

He probably had no intentions of going to the movies, it was just something that in case LE interviewed his friends they could say, "He made plans with us and everything".

 

[Spice]

Or she's not thinking clearly...

Or he never intended to go to the movies (and either she was in on it OR he never mentioned movies because there was no intention of going)....

I keep coming back to what several have mentioned -- he wanted his friends at lunchtime to be present when he discovered CH -- something in him made him hesitate at the time though (Maybe he couldn't get their attention or couldn't think of a good enough reason to ask them to wait at the car?)

He didn't intend to go but he pretended that he was going to go. He told his friends that he would be late. They had advance tickets. They called him at around 5:30 when he hadn't shown up. So, they thought he was going, and he led them to believe that he was going.

He knew when he called in late to the movie at 3:45 that he wasn't going because he would be in the middle of discovering Cooper on his way to the movies. (which is how he miraculously knew he would be late before he ever even left work).

We know that to be the case, so why not tell Leanne the same thing? Why did she think he was at work? Was she pretending as well? Or was she in the dark?

 

[rob]

FOUND IT!

21:00 - part 2, probable cause hearing:

Leanna was accompanied by a male, TJ from LAA. First name is Terrell.

TJ stated he was at the front desk, Leanna came up there and stated that she couldn't find Cooper and that Ross must have left him in the car, he could be no other place.

TJ said there's a million places he could be, have you tried calling him? She said it's going straight to voice mail.

She said, "Can you come over with me to his work?"

They got in her car and drove over to the Treehouse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff6SR0oHFQ8

Bingo!
'that idiot can't do anything right! I'll do it myself!'

 

[Spice]

And as I've said before the "deafness" or lack of it can be proved/disproved by an audiogram.

Totally believe you. I just think any deafness is moot and a non issue to begin with as he had 2 eyes in his head that worked just fine.

 

[hopingicanhelp]

He didn't intend to go but he pretended that he was going to go. He told his friends that he would be late. They had advanced tickets. They called him at around 5:30 when he hadn't shown up. So, they thought he was going, and he led them to believe that he was going.

He knew when he called in late to the movie at 3:45 that he wasn't going because he would be in the middle of discovering Cooper on his way to the movies. (which is how he miraculously knew he would be late before he ever even left work).

We know that to be the case, so why not tell Leanne the same thing? Why did she think he was at work? Was she pretending as well? Or was she in the dark?

Exactly -- I'm right where you are, Spice, just thinking "out loud" -- Either he went forward with movie plans knowing he wouldn't go (because there was no reason to "bow out" when it was being discussed during lunch) and saw no reason to mention it to LH (a mistake IMO) ... or it was part of their plan.

 

[Spice]

And also, why did she take TJ out of his front desk responsibilities at LAA and go with her to the Treehouse.

Because she didn't want to go alone, wanted someone with her who could shield her from the possible questioning by police.

MOO

Or she is scared and doesn't want to be alone. (if she isn't in on it) AND the comment of "I don't know what to do" (immediately upon finding out that Cooper wasn't at daycare) tells me she may be very passive. I see learned helplessness in that statement.

You don't know what to do? Find your BABY and Ross and demand to know what happened. Which she ultimately does by asking to go the Treehouse. I just find it interesting that -that was the first thing out of her mouth.

What followed is even more bizarre.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Or she is scared and doesn't want to be alone. (if she isn't in on it) AND the comment of "I don't know what to do" (immediately upon finding out that Cooper wasn't at daycare) tells me she may be very passive. I see learned helplessness in that statement.

You don't know what to do? Find your BABY and Ross and demand to know what happened. Which she ultimately does by asking to go the Treehouse. I just find it interesting that -that was the first thing out of her mouth.

What followed is even more bizarre.

That's not how they had it planned. The plan was for the day care workers to tell her that Ross called and that he accidently left Cooper in the car and he died, so everyone would crowd around her and she could be in mourning and people would accompany her to the hospital/morgue.

When no one gave her any suggestions, her first thought was to have someone go with her to his work, because she didn't want to go there alone if maybe Ross was off to the hospital/morgue with Cooper.

As for Ross screaming FU to the police, that was his own frustration in not being able to contact LAA to get the ball rolling for Leanna. He probably was going to tell LAA where exactly he was so she could drive there and they can be together. Since LAA didn't get that information, Leanna didn't know where to go so she could only think of going to where he worked.

MOO