The 90 minutes Terri spent driving around--Do you believe it?

[human]

To continue the cattiness...and I'll be brief...

On her blog, DS claims to be a health food and exercise nut, but, um, girlfriend ain't practicing what she preaches, obviously.

OK...snark button off.

On some of the news sites with photos of the Horman family, there are pics of the baby putting aluminum cans in a recycle bin. So there must have been some green consciousness in the Horman family, or either they were hard up for scrap-metal pennies.

:innocent:

Maybe she's been saving up for a loooong time for things such as hiring a landscaper.

 

[pufnstuf]

In that same picture, you can also see a stack of FM paper bags. Just sayin'. Maybe Terri was very loyal to FM.

Loyal to FM, WM, 7-11, or Walgreens, there's still 90 minutes unaccounted for.

 

[pufnstuf]

Just to clarify...I wasn't being 'catty' to anyone here on the board, just that I don't see TH's defense being "BUT I RECYCLE!"

hey, what do I know! this case has a lot of players that I find ummm...intriguing...

Oh yeah, intriguing is right.

I wasn't being catty to any WSers... just had to get that comment about DS out there, and it seemed like a good time. :crazy:

 

[gwenabob]

I've never been to Portland and I live out in the country where I live, outside of a small city.

I could drive 90 minutes here and maybe go about 5 miles because of all of the road construction. No road construction in Portland?

Is the highway driving pleasant there? It isn't where I live. And unless one knows the rural roads, you don't where in the heck you might end up here.

So how's the driving there?

In her neck of the woods? Smooth sailing nearly 100% of the time.

 

[pufnstuf]

Maybe she's been saving up for a loooong time for things such as hiring a landscaper.

:floorlaugh:

:trout:

:innocent:

 

[Mamietwo]

I voted, "HECK NO". I'm not sitting on any fence and I don't think I've hidden that fact. LOL

 

[froginTtown]

In that same picture, you can also see a stack of FM paper bags. Just sayin'. Maybe Terri was very loyal to FM.

A friend of hers works there... and is also a FB friend... The friend said that baby K looked sooo cute in a pic about 1-2 weeks before Kyrons disappearance...Terri replied that is was sweet of her to say so, and that is why she shops there... I don't know which FM though...:waitasec:

 

[GrainneDhu]

I would like to discuss the 90 minute time period Terri reported she spent driving around rural roads trying to calm the baby who was fussy.

From a local point of view, I am just not buying it. Speaking as a Portlander, I find the whole idea of driving around random roads for 90 minutes for that purpose very unlikely.

Let me give you some background. Portland is known as one of the most Green cities in the nation--maybe even "the" most green. Oregon had the first bottle bill, and we are usually at the forefront of other green ideas. Right now the legislature is working on law that would ban the use of plastic grocery bags, for one small example.

The Portland Metro area has a very strict growth boundary and zoning laws. We are big on in-filling and creating greater density within the city rather than creating suburban sprawl. We spend extra money on our electric bill to support alternative clean electricity. We recycle like nobody's business. We have many forms of public transportation. We have strict auto emissions regulations to prevent air pollution. You get the idea.

So, from this lens, it is nearly unconscionable to contemplate driving that behemoth extra long pick up truck around for an hour and a half, wasting all that $3.00 gallon gasoline, simply to calm a fussy child that could be calmed much more quickly and successfully at home in a rocking chair. It just does not fit our Portland area mindset. Not at all.

I think she was up to no good during that 90 minutes. Driving around to calm the baby is a big fat lie.

IMOIMOIMOIMO>>>>>>>>

My sister and her husband are ultra-green types. She recycles, they garden, they support local campaigns for the environment, she bought a Prius as soon as they came out.

But. Their second baby was a colicky, fussy baby and sometimes the only way to get him to sleep for more than a few minutes at a time was to take him for a drive.

If anyone had suggested to my sister at that time that driving her colicky infant son around was a waste of gas or not environmentally sound, well, I'm not sure her reply would be anatomically possible or suitable for publishing!

For some reason I had the knack of putting him to sleep, so my sister hired me for three months as his on-call nanny (they already had one full time nanny), specifically to help put him to sleep. That's how desperate she was. Ninety percent of the time, I could put him to sleep (no driving needed) and successfully transfer him into his crib but there was always a small chance my special auntie mojo would fail. And that's when the big ol' fuel hog Suburban came into play.

Then when my nephew became a toddler, the poor kid became prey to ear infections. Sometimes it was difficult to tell if it was really the beginning stage of an ear infection, teething or just a cranky toddler because he got in the habit of pulling at his ears when he was upset (according to his doctor, this is normal for kids who have a lot of ear infections).

One sure way to figure it out was to put him in his car seat and drive him around for awhile. If he was teething or just overly tired, he'd go right to sleep while riding in the car. If he was beginning an ear infection, the car ride didn't put him to sleep.

So, I need more context with which to judge. Did they have a history of driving baby K around to soothe her?

If so, then I'd say that it sounds believable to me.

But if the Hormans had no previous history of driving her around to soothe her, then it's clear that the driving around was out of character, to say the least.

 

[cluciano63]

I'm not sure, so I did not vote. Was it really 90 minutes? If she left the 2nd FM at 10, say, and went to Starbucks at some point, it could have ended up being an hour or so, depending upon what time she pulled into the gym lot. As lots of you have said, everything takes longer with a baby, and I guess she did have her with her. If it is an hour or so, yeah, I can buy that. My guess is the baby was teething, so not sick in a way she was infectious but just fussy and Terri did not want to go home and risk missing out on her gym session-selfish, to be sure, but not sure homicidally so.

I am just so not sure about anything in this case and each day, I find more reasons to wait it out, instead of less.

 

[Curious Me]

I'm on the fence, but I know I don't believe her story about driving around or the reasoning behind it at all. Then, taking a fussy, sick baby to a daycare isn't logical either. Wouldn't it cost at least $20-$30 to drive around in a big truck for 90 minutes? I guess money was no object to get the baby quiet enough for the gym.

Anyways, I don't buy the driving around story either.

 

[goatman]

what if the driving around had a purpose...but not a guilty one?

PURE SPECULATION: Lets say she did buy 2 drinks at starbucks and then she drove around for a while ending up at DD's work. She 'hung out' with DD for awhile (sitting in the car listening to the radio, venting, whatever). And she wanted to protect DD by saying she was just driving around.
I can't remember the timeline (gaw I need to go to bed!) BUT, if she wanted to protect DD from getting fired and decided to just say " I drove around for awhile" it would be stupid (imo) but also innocent.

ALSO what if that was the question she failed on the poly? "Did you drive around because your baby was sick after leaving fm?" she answers yes-because it is partly true, but not really b/c she drove around so that she could vent to her friend.

AND then Kyron becomes missing she thinks if she tells people about being w/ dd then her friend loses her job and TH KNOWS she is innocent, so she is vague and says "I was driving around for awhile and then went to the gym".

DD and TH are both MIA-but innocently. And now, no one is ever going to believe them if they come clean (heck I won't either because they read it off the internet )

Do I think it happened this way? Naw, but the problem w/ this case is that everything can be (at least) partially explained innocently.

an hour and a half...

 

[Aedrys]

Nope, not buying it. It's just too perfect that she had a sick baby excuse handy for that. I swear, it's like she's working out of a crime playbook or something. No, I think she sedated that sick baby and Kyron, and spent that 90 minutes getting rid of Kyron. And if this is the same woman that dragged that sick baby to a science fair, two stores, and later the gym, and ignored her to talk to someone at one FM store, then why does she suddenly do a turn around and take 90 minutes to soothe her? That just doesn't make any sense to me, unless the mommy thing is like a light switch she flips off and on at her convenience, not baby K's.

 

[rnmif]

Do I believe that's what happened? I don't know. At this point you could tell me Terri tied Kaine to an elephant tied to a daisy hanging over a cliff, and I'd say it's possible. I don't know what's up or down anymore.

But I have three special needs children. One with an autism diagnosis, one with a sensory integration diagnosis. The other with a different learning disability and notable sensory issues. I can tell you I've driven all of them around for hours at a time. My autistic son in particular. I hate the mall, but he was one of those odd autistic kids who loved the mall. The visual stimulation outweighed the auditory stimulation. I was in hell, but it was as close to quiet as I experienced for the first 3 years of his life. My oldest son, I drove him around endlessly. Cheap gas, expensive gas, it didn't matter. Environmentally friendly? No. But it's not someone else's place to judge. If they would like to come and watch my kids so I can go sit in the quiet car for a few hours and sleep, so be it. Otherwise, it's none of their business if I sprout wings and fly to soothe an overwhelmed kid.

I've got a vibrating rocker/recliner. Theoretically, it should have the same effect. I assure you, it does not. I rocked him until my legs fell off. I carried him over my shoulder until my body ached. The car? I could relax and listen to music, and maybe park somewhere and catch a nap.

I've been through too much doo doo in my life to think I can possibly judge what it takes someone else to get through life. I haven't walked a mile in their mocasins.

 

[rnmif]

I'm on the fence, but I know I don't believe her story about driving around or the reasoning behind it at all. Then, taking a fussy, sick baby to a daycare isn't logical either. Wouldn't it cost at least $20-$30 to drive around in a big truck for 90 minutes? I guess money was no object to get the baby quiet enough for the gym.

Anyways, I don't buy the driving around story either.

Could be $10-15, depending on how fast she went and how much she paid for gas. I just got $2.90 at Costco. Kaine works very close to a Costco with gas. It holds a lot. Who knows?

 

[pufnstuf]

A former colleague of mine dated a no-good scoundrel, and she was the only person who couldn't see through him. On many nights, she couldn't track him down. His favorite line to feed her when she asked "Where were you last night?" was "I just went riding around by myself, to think." When she'd tell me that, I'd so badly want to thunk her in the head and tell her that "I was riding around thinking" is code for "I was cheating on you."

Anyway... "riding around" has since the invention of modern transportation been a convenient excuse for being somewhere one probably shouldn't be.

 

[joshiesmom]

Portland isn't high elevation, so the issue of changing elevation really is moot. Downtown Portland's elevation is about 500 feet above sea level and Forest Park is about 2000 feet above sea level. Driving around, up & down hills, isn't an issue.

I think a person could drive for 90 minutes in Portland traffic pretty dang easily. I was there yesterday in the Skyline area and during lunch hour rush, traffic moves pretty damn slowly. It took me over 30 minutes to go 13 miles.

And yes, there's a ton of construction always going on in various parts of Portland. Always.

The "rural" roads are not like living out in the country. It's similar to driving the rural roads outside Atlanta, Georgia (like in Marietta or Cartersville) ~ they're pretty populated places, yet still considered rural as compared to the "big" city they're nearby (yes, I lived in Georgia, but spent the first 20 years of my life growing up in a suburb of Portland ~ Beaverton, one of the many cities that have become part of Portland's suburban sprawl). Up near Skyline, it's not like you're on a back country road and aren't going to see other cars or people. You're still in the middle of a huge city and there's still a bunch of traffic as compared to, say, a town of 30,000 people.

ETA: Skyline Elementary is just 11.5 miles from a HUGE hospital + medical complex (St. Vincent Hospital & Peterkort Medical Center). It's even closer to big shopping centers and lots of houses and apartment complexes and whatnot. They may term where Kaine lives as "rural," but it is not what most people would describe as such. Being that I live in a small town now, I laugh at what is being described as rural because, to me, driving in that area is very busy & crowded, not at all what I think of as rural. Mapquest says it will take 17 minutes to drive the 11.5 miles between Skyline & St. Vincent Hospital... that should give you an idea of how much traffic is actually in that area. I can see a person driving around the area for 90 minutes, no problem, though I can't say that's what I believe Terri was doing.

 

[rnmif]

I'll try this link again.. http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...er-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx cool it worked... I'm finding it hard to believe that she couldn't find any over-the-counter med for baby K... And if the baby had an ear-ache, the last thing a person should do it to change elevations and movements... Makes NO sense to me...!! and then to later leave her at the childcare gym, while she worked out.. ???

If she had been to the doctor and on antibiotics for 24 hours, the doctor usually clears them for usual activity. That said, I'm not the first to mention that she had an ear ache, not an ear infection. Sans any clarification, we're just speculating.

While changes of altitude of thousands of feet can cause tremendous painful pressure a change from 200+ feet gradually up and down to 500 feet can actually push some of the fluid toward the outer ear to drain depending on the incline she may have been sitting at.

Look Terri may be a saint or a monster, but if little K was her little princess, I sincerely doubt she's neglectful. Evil, maybe. That remains to be seen. But I think as far as baby K, she's just another mother trying to get by.

 

[txsvicki]

I'm getting very confused and never have found the emails. Now they are saying that Terri bought 2 coffees or drinks at Starbucks? Also one poster mentioned that it takes 40 min. to get from the FM to the gym? I think she must have driven a distance that took 45 minutes to get to the gym, and that there is probably missing gas or mileage that had to be accounted for. Kaine may have watched the gasoline purchases pretty closely.

 

[goatman]

I'm getting very confused and never have found the emails. Now they are saying that Terri bought 2 coffees or drinks at Starbucks? Also one poster mentioned that it takes 40 min. to get from the FM to the gym? I think she must have driven a distance that took 45 minutes to get to the gym, and that there is probably missing gas or mileage that had to be accounted for. Kaine may have watched the gasoline purchases pretty closely.

If that is in response to my post please know that I have edited my post for clarification.

PS from what I have gathered most of us are speculating about the 90 minute time frame.

 

[Nancee Drue]

I wouldn't drive around Portland, for 90 minutes, because there's too much traffic. But...T might have.

Maybe. T and D were driving around, together, talking, or singing the baby to sleep ....and just lost track of time? 90 minutes could go by quickly.

Maybe T was driving her baby, to relax her, and an unknown passenger went along, to an unknown destination???

Maybe T will mention the roads she traveled on, and with whom, and settle this mystery??