The 90 minutes Terri spent driving around--Do you believe it?

[Dee10]

Thank you BeanE! I suspect this siting was ruled out, based on the timing.

 

[Jo in Calif]

I would be really curious to know if anyone saw Terri when she arrived at the gym, in the parking lot, and if the truck was in the parking lot the whole time Terri was in the gym.

 

[Billylee]

Does anyone know for sure if LE has video of TH either inside or outside of the first FM store? We know she was at the second because there was a witness. It would be really easy to retrieve a receipt for something bought with cash out of the trash, especially near the self check area. There is usually a trash can right there on the way out. Heck, you could probably go through and pick a receipt with the time you wanted and if anyone questioned why you were looking in the trash, you could just say you accidentally through away a receipt you needed. Simple.

Since they didn't have the medicine there that she wanted, I wonder what she bought? Usually if I specifically go into a store to get an item and they don't have it and I know that I have to go to another store, I just leave without buying anything and get it all at the next store. Who wants to stand in line twice, especially with a fussy babe?

Just thinking, that if she really never was at that one, she very well could have been on NW Morgan Rd (just north of Logie rd) at Rainbow Lake, it's only 8 minutes from the school, and it could have been her truck that Chas saw. I hope they searched that Lake area and didn't stop just short of there. Just noodlin.

 

[Billylee]

I wanted to add to my post above, but it's too late to edit. (and change the word through to throw, LOL). I was just googling cell phone towers near Rainbow Lake, the closest one is an ATT a little over a mile away, it is 140 feet tall. However, the tallest cell tower at 165 feet is lcoated 3 miles away......on Sauvie Island. Does anyone know, if TH had a service that would not work with ATT, would her cell ping further away? I don't exactly understand when a phone would ping at one and not the other.

 

[bessie]

I wanted to add to my post above, but it's too late to edit. (and change the word through to throw, LOL). I was just googling cell phone towers near Rainbow Lake, the closest one is an ATT a little over a mile away, it is 140 feet tall. However, the tallest cell tower at 165 feet is lcoated 3 miles away......on Sauvie Island. Does anyone know, if TH had a service that would not work with ATT, would her cell ping further away? I don't exactly understand when a phone would ping at one and not the other.

No expert here, but I've done a lot of reading on this topic. It's my understanding that a cell phone will ping to the most accessible tower, which isn't always the closest one geographically. In fact, I think I've got an explanation bookmarked.

ETA: Can't put my hands on the reference I was thinking about. I do remember reading that there is no tower on Sauvie Island but one near there. The controversy over SI is that there was only one ping reported. Tringulation, the method to pinpoint a cell phone's location, is based on three or more pings. So one ping near SI doesn't mean she was there. Because towers are sparse in that area, she could've been much farther away and a signal still would've reached that tower if there wasn't an accessible one closer to her actual location. So I think the answer to your question is yes, if there are only a few towers near Rainbow Lake, her phone could've pinged on the one near SI.

 

[Billylee]

So does a cellphone ping work like GPS? That REQUIRES triangulation. I didn't know that cells did. I thought they just pinged to the most accessible tower they could, which would mean not necessarily the closest. I went to a website where it showed all the cell phone towers within a 4 mile radius of that road. There were 6, more than one of which was on Sauvie Island for whatever reason, but what caught my attention was that the one on Sauvie was the tallest. I would guess that maybe these "other" towers, since not owned by the major players (AT&T, Verizon or whomever, must lease their towers?) (I feel like this should be posted in another thread, but we've created so many, I don't know where it should go )

Here's the info: and link (hope it works)

Alert! 6 Towers (Not Registered) found within 4.00 miles of NW Morgan Rd, Portland, OR 97231.

Info! The NEAREST Tower is 1.45 miles away and is owned by Att Wireless Services Of Or Inc.

Ok! No Applications for Future Towers detected as of 09/14/10.


Tower Type ID Num Site Owner Height Dist
Registered (No Towers Detected)

Not Registered (1) Att Wireless Services Of Or Inc 145 feet 1.45 miles
(2) Western Pcs Corp 140 feet 1.59 miles
(3) Pacific Northwest Bell Telephone Co 69 feet 1.97 miles
(4) Mc Caw Communications Of The Midsouth In 160 feet 2.99 miles
(5) American Tower Corp 165 feet 3.06 miles
(6) American Tower Corporation 115 feet 3.68 miles

Future (No Towers Detected)

http://www.antennasearch.com/sitest...=towerreview&pagenum=1&cmdrequest=pagehandler

 

[bessie]

So does a cellphone ping work like GPS? That REQUIRES triangulation. I didn't know that cells did. I thought they just pinged to the most accessible tower they could, which would mean not necessarily the closest. I went to a website where it showed all the cell phone towers within a 4 mile radius of that road. There were 6, more than one of which was on Sauvie Island for whatever reason, but what caught my attention was that the one on Sauvie was the tallest. I would guess that maybe these "other" towers, since not owned by the major players (AT&T, Verizon or whomever, must lease their towers?) (I feel like this should be posted in another thread, but we've created so many, I don't know where it should go )

Here's the info: and link (hope it works)

Alert! 6 Towers (Not Registered) found within 4.00 miles of NW Morgan Rd, Portland, OR 97231.

Info! The NEAREST Tower is 1.45 miles away and is owned by Att Wireless Services Of Or Inc.

Ok! No Applications for Future Towers detected as of 09/14/10.


Tower Type ID Num Site Owner Height Dist
Registered (No Towers Detected)

Not Registered (1) Att Wireless Services Of Or Inc 145 feet 1.45 miles
(2) Western Pcs Corp 140 feet 1.59 miles
(3) Pacific Northwest Bell Telephone Co 69 feet 1.97 miles
(4) Mc Caw Communications Of The Midsouth In 160 feet 2.99 miles
(5) American Tower Corp 165 feet 3.06 miles
(6) American Tower Corporation 115 feet 3.68 miles

Future (No Towers Detected)

http://www.antennasearch.com/sitest...=towerreview&pagenum=1&cmdrequest=pagehandler

Cell tower triangulation and GPS triangulation work in a similar way and are both used for cell phone tracking. To pinpoint a location, there has to be multiple points of reference, not just one. One uses cell tower signals, and the other uses satellite signals. There's more to it than that, of course, but that's the simple answer.

 

[goatman]

So does a cellphone ping work like GPS? That REQUIRES triangulation. I didn't know that cells did. I thought they just pinged to the most accessible tower they could, which would mean not necessarily the closest. I went to a website where it showed all the cell phone towers within a 4 mile radius of that road. There were 6, more than one of which was on Sauvie Island for whatever reason, but what caught my attention was that the one on Sauvie was the tallest. I would guess that maybe these "other" towers, since not owned by the major players (AT&T, Verizon or whomever, must lease their towers?) (I feel like this should be posted in another thread, but we've created so many, I don't know where it should go )

Here's the info: and link (hope it works)

Alert! 6 Towers (Not Registered) found within 4.00 miles of NW Morgan Rd, Portland, OR 97231.

Info! The NEAREST Tower is 1.45 miles away and is owned by Att Wireless Services Of Or Inc.

Ok! No Applications for Future Towers detected as of 09/14/10.


Tower Type ID Num Site Owner Height Dist
Registered (No Towers Detected)

Not Registered (1) Att Wireless Services Of Or Inc 145 feet 1.45 miles
(2) Western Pcs Corp 140 feet 1.59 miles
(3) Pacific Northwest Bell Telephone Co 69 feet 1.97 miles
(4) Mc Caw Communications Of The Midsouth In 160 feet 2.99 miles
(5) American Tower Corp 165 feet 3.06 miles
(6) American Tower Corporation 115 feet 3.68 miles

Future (No Towers Detected)

http://www.antennasearch.com/sitest...=towerreview&pagenum=1&cmdrequest=pagehandler

I am about to sound really dumb, but can cell towers become 'inactive' as in, not be used? Company goes bankrupt property in limbo type stuff? Not be powered or something?

IDK just something I was thinking about-looks like I am off to google.

 

[Billylee]

So then, I'm guessing even though she may have been say near Rainbow Lake, her cell could have been pinging at the closest tallest tower on Sauvie Island? IDK and wish I knew the answer.

 

[bessie]

So then, I'm guessing even though she may have been say near Rainbow Lake, her cell could have been pinging at the closest tallest tower on Sauvie Island? IDK and wish I knew the answer.

Billy, I looked at that map. If she were at Rainbow Lake, her phone could've pinged any of those towers.

 

[scandi]

Hi, This post is about the parking at the Jone's Farm facility at INTEL. I couldn't find a good thread to post this info, so here goes, but hopefully a MOD can put in a more appropriate thread if we have one.

There has been discussion about the parking situation at INTEL where Kaine works, posters wondering if there is video surveillance there. I just got off the phone with my boss' wife who has worked in Admin there for many years. So I asked her if there are any cameras in the parking lots at INTEL.

The family biz is security and so she is very knowlegable about video surveillance. I was mighty surprised as she started talking about Kyron's case and has been following it all along. LOL Small world, but then they live out in that area close to Skyline Hill so I wasn't really that surprised she knew about the ping on SI, that Terri said in her email to KOIN she did drive on Hwy #30 that morning, etc.

So she told me NO, there are no cameras that she has ever seen in the parking areas at the Jones Farm facility or the other Intel location close to Cornelius Pass Rd. I think Kaine worked at Jones Farm, right?

Quizzing her a bit further, I asked if there are multi level parking garages at either facility. The answer again was NO.

At Jones Farm all the parking is in open lots. The other facility might have some up and down parking - not much, but access to that is open without having to go thru a barrier, there are no attendants and no parking stubs are given. So at both places one can just drive in and park with no interruption and no visual.



xox

 

[Billylee]

Hi, This post is about the parking at the Jone's Farm facility at INTEL. I couldn't find a good thread to post this info, so here goes, but hopefully a MOD can put in a more appropriate thread if we have one.

There has been discussion about the parking situation at INTEL where Kaine works, posters wondering if there is video surveillance there. I just got off the phone with my boss' wife who has worked in Admin there for many years. So I asked her if there are any cameras in the parking lots at INTEL.

The family biz is security and so she is very knowlegable about video surveillance. I was mighty surprised as she started talking about Kyron's case and has been following it all along. LOL Small world, but then they live out in that area close to Skyline Hill so I wasn't really that surprised she knew about the ping on SI, that Terri said in her email to KOIN she did drive on Hwy #30 that morning, etc.

So she told me NO, there are no cameras that she has ever seen in the parking areas at the Jones Farm facility or the other Intel location close to Cornelius Pass Rd. I think Kaine worked at Jones Farm, right?

Quizzing her a bit further, I asked if there are multi level parking garages at either facility. The answer again was NO.

At Jones Farm all the parking is in open lots. The other facility might have some up and down parking - not much, but access to that is open without having to go thru a barrier, there are no attendants and no parking stubs are given. So at both places one can just drive in and park with no interruption and no visual.



xox

Yes it's been reported that Kaine works at the Jones Farm site. What do you mean by this the above bbm'd part? That the parking lot is hidden from view?

 

[Calliope]

Hi, This post is about the parking at the Jone's Farm facility at INTEL. I couldn't find a good thread to post this info, so here goes, but hopefully a MOD can put in a more appropriate thread if we have one.

There has been discussion about the parking situation at INTEL where Kaine works, posters wondering if there is video surveillance there. I just got off the phone with my boss' wife who has worked in Admin there for many years. So I asked her if there are any cameras in the parking lots at INTEL.

The family biz is security and so she is very knowlegable about video surveillance. I was mighty surprised as she started talking about Kyron's case and has been following it all along. LOL Small world, but then they live out in that area close to Skyline Hill so I wasn't really that surprised she knew about the ping on SI, that Terri said in her email to KOIN she did drive on Hwy #30 that morning, etc.

So she told me NO, there are no cameras that she has ever seen in the parking areas at the Jones Farm facility or the other Intel location close to Cornelius Pass Rd. I think Kaine worked at Jones Farm, right?

Quizzing her a bit further, I asked if there are multi level parking garages at either facility. The answer again was NO.

At Jones Farm all the parking is in open lots. The other facility might have some up and down parking - not much, but access to that is open without having to go thru a barrier, there are no attendants and no parking stubs are given. So at both places one can just drive in and park with no interruption and no visual.



xox

Very interesting.

Thank you.

 

[BeanE]

ETA: The Google Maps and time info is incorrect in this post. Sorry.

Trying to figure out a timeline incorporating Sauvie Island.

- According to the most recent information from LE, in the LE/DA flier from the press conference of August 11, LE appears to have Terri's timeline as follows:

8:15 to 8:45am - at Skyline Elementary school

9:00am - Fred Meyer supermarket, Cornelius Pass, 22075 NW Imbrie Rd, Hillsboro

10:00am - Fred Meyer supermarket, Walker Rd, 15995 SW Walker Rd, Beaverton

10:15 to 11:30am - (75 min/1hr 15 min) on or near Skyline Blvd between approx Springville Rd and Newberry Rd, including on or around Germantown Rd and/or Old Germantown Rd

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom/081110_PressConferenceFlier.pdf


- Per the two MSM news articles on Terri's timeline, and Terri's emails:

11:39am - 24-hour Fitness gym, Waterhouse Ave, Beaverton

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- Per Google Maps, the drive time from the 2nd Fred Meyer on Walker Rd to Cathedral City Park, just on the other (island) side of the bridge to Sauvie Island, is 23 to 25 minutes (10.4 to 18.2 miles).


- Per Google Maps, the drive time from Cathedral City Park on Sauvie Island to the 24 hour fitness gym in Beaverton is 23 to 25 minutes (9.6 to 17.3 miles).


- Assuming, therefore, the minimum drive times from Google Maps, with arrival on the bridge to Sauvie Island at (10:00am plus 23 minutes = ) 10:23am, and departure from the bridge to Sauvie Island at (11:39am - 23 minutes = ) 11:26am, that would give Terri approximately 1 hour 1 minute (61 minutes) to drive from just on the island side of the bridge to a location on Sauvie Island and dispose of Kyron's body. Plenty of time.


(I'd appreciate it if someone would double check the maps and math. TIA.)

 

[loves2bmom]

Trying to figure out a timeline incorporating Sauvie Island.

- According to the most recent information from LE, in the LE/DA flier from the press conference of August 11, LE appears to have Terri's timeline as follows:

8:15 to 8:45am - at Skyline Elementary school

9:00am - Fred Meyer supermarket, Cornelius Pass, 22075 NW Imbrie Rd, Hillsboro

10:00am - Fred Meyer supermarket, Walker Rd, 15995 SW Walker Rd, Beaverton

10:15 to 11:30am - (75 min/1hr 15 min) on or near Skyline Blvd between approx Springville Rd and Newberry Rd, including on or around Germantown Rd and/or Old Germantown Rd

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom/081110_PressConferenceFlier.pdf


- Per the two MSM news articles on Terri's timeline, and Terri's emails:

11:39am - 24-hour Fitness gym, Waterhouse Ave, Beaverton

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Sources detail Terri’s timeline day Kyron disappeared #2



- Per Google Maps, the drive time from the 2nd Fred Meyer on Walker Rd to Cathedral City Park, just on the other (island) side of the bridge to Sauvie Island, is 23 to 25 minutes (10.4 to 18.2 miles).


- Per Google Maps, the drive time from Cathedral City Park on Sauvie Island to the 24 hour fitness gym in Beaverton is 23 to 25 minutes (9.6 to 17.3 miles).


- Assuming, therefore, the minimum drive times from Google Maps, with arrival on the bridge to Sauvie Island at (10:00am plus 23 minutes = ) 10:23am, and departure from the bridge to Sauvie Island at (11:39am - 23 minutes = ) 11:26am, that would give Terri approximately 1 hour 1 minute (61 minutes) to drive from just on the island side of the bridge to a location on Sauvie Island and dispose of Kyron's body. Plenty of time.


(I'd appreciate it if someone would double check the maps and math. TIA.)

Beautiful! I think you're only off by 10 min. though.

11:39am - 23 minutes should be 11:16am. Plus you would need to factor in parking and getting baby in and out of the car. So you might have to subract a few more minutes. Certainly still enough time though!

With that new calculation, she would have roughly 45-50 minutes to dispose of a body. :cry:

 

[gwenabob]

BeanE, I would like to point out that Cathedral Park is near the St. John's bridge, not on Sauvie Island. About 4 miles away. You might want to re-do your mileage and times.

 

[SurfieTX]

Trying to figure out a timeline incorporating Sauvie Island.

- According to the most recent information from LE, in the LE/DA flier from the press conference of August 11, LE appears to have Terri's timeline as follows:

8:15 to 8:45am - at Skyline Elementary school

9:00am - Fred Meyer supermarket, Cornelius Pass, 22075 NW Imbrie Rd, Hillsboro

10:00am - Fred Meyer supermarket, Walker Rd, 15995 SW Walker Rd, Beaverton

10:15 to 11:30am - (75 min/1hr 15 min) on or near Skyline Blvd between approx Springville Rd and Newberry Rd, including on or around Germantown Rd and/or Old Germantown Rd

http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom/081110_PressConferenceFlier.pdf


- Per the two MSM news articles on Terri's timeline, and Terri's emails:

11:39am - 24-hour Fitness gym, Waterhouse Ave, Beaverton

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Sources detail Terri’s timeline day Kyron disappeared #2



- Per Google Maps, the drive time from the 2nd Fred Meyer on Walker Rd to Cathedral City Park, just on the other (island) side of the bridge to Sauvie Island, is 23 to 25 minutes (10.4 to 18.2 miles).


- Per Google Maps, the drive time from Cathedral City Park on Sauvie Island to the 24 hour fitness gym in Beaverton is 23 to 25 minutes (9.6 to 17.3 miles).


- Assuming, therefore, the minimum drive times from Google Maps, with arrival on the bridge to Sauvie Island at (10:00am plus 23 minutes = ) 10:23am, and departure from the bridge to Sauvie Island at (11:39am - 23 minutes = ) 11:26am, that would give Terri approximately 1 hour 1 minute (61 minutes) to drive from just on the island side of the bridge to a location on Sauvie Island and dispose of Kyron's body. Plenty of time.


(I'd appreciate it if someone would double check the maps and math. TIA.)

Thank you, Bean. I would hope that by looking at the times referenced here, LE or someone could get a general idea/radius of what areas would be accessible on SI.

But I will say, it still bothers me that Kaine is driving the truck. Who has the Mustang?

 

[gwenabob]

Thank you, Bean. I would hope that by looking at the times referenced here, LE or someone could get a general idea/radius of what areas would be accessible on SI.

But I will say, it still bothers me that Kaine is driving the truck. Who has the Mustang?

Kaine has both vehicles and locals I know say they have seen him driving the Mustang around town.

 

[BeanE]

Thank you for the feedback, all. I've never been good at either maps or math. Sorry.

 

[loves2bmom]

BeanE, I would like to point out that Cathedral Park is near the St. John's bridge, not on Sauvie Island. About 4 miles away. You might want to re-do your mileage and times.

Shoot...I didn't even catch that. Thanks Gwen. I don't think she's too far off with the times though. I just plugged in the Cracker Barrel Restaurant just on the other side of the Sauvie Bridge and it says 28 min between it and the 2nd FM store. Then, 27 minutes back to 24 Hr Fitness.