The 90 minutes Terri spent driving around--Do you believe it?

[Kat010]

A couple of us have already done portions of the timeline (without borrowing a toddler....ROFL). It matches pretty accurately with Google maps. Haven't done the Sauvie part yet though. I also had wanted to make the trek on a Friday morning just for comparison. Can't do it this week...maybe next?

Friday morning a good idea! Sorry, ya gotta borrow a toddler to lug into the store! LOL

 

[Billylee]

Yesterday, I put the walker rd FM's in google and got driving directions to NW Reeder rd on the Island (isn't that where someone said they were checking, I'll have to go look at that thread, anyway, two different ways said 39 minutes. LOL, I'm probably doing something wrong!

 

[BeanE]

Yesterday, I put the walker rd FM's in google and got driving directions to NW Reeder rd on the Island (isn't that where someone said they were checking, I'll have to go look at that thread, anyway, two different ways said 39 minutes. LOL, I'm probably doing something wrong!

You're right. Reeder Rd was in a news article. I put a couple maps in the Timeline/Reference forum this morning. I was going to go back and try to add that area in. I'm not very good with the maps so it takes me a while.

Any help appreciated!

ETA:

Search teams were seen primarily in the central part of the island, west of Northwest Reeder Road.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/searchers_will_return_to_sauvi.html


Google map with Reeder Rd added in. It doesn't look right to me.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sou...624603,-122.837448&spn=0.255951,0.676346&z=11

 

[Billylee]

When I put in NW Rentenaar Rd, I get 55 minutes. The article said they were searching Reeder/Rentenaar (strange word).

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sou...637087,-122.836761&spn=0.367756,0.883026&z=10

 

[gwenabob]

I had dinner tonight with a long time Intel employee 20+ years. I asked him about security cameras in the Intel parking lots and he said absolutely they all have cameras. In fact, he said he knows more than a couple employees who were fired because of what those security cameras saw them doing in the parking lots!

If, as has been suggested, someone picked up the Mustang from the Intel parking I bet it was caught on camera. It will be interesting to find out.

 

[Calliope]

Who picked up the mustang from the Intel parking lot?

 

[Billylee]

I had not seen this interview from KoinTV with the person that saw TH in FM#2. Andrea? I found it interesting that she says that TH was in the gym the day before and the baby was sick the day before, on the 3rd. (Wonder why Kaine wouldn't have known that?) And that officers questioned her about TH's time at the gym on the 4th and whether she had the kids with her. Anyway, I hadn't seen this here. (it probably is, though LOL)

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...-out-Kyron-Horman/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx

 

[Donjeta]

Did AL personally observe the baby being sick or was she just told about it by Terri?

 

[BeanE]

Did AL personally observe the baby being sick or was she just told about it by Terri?

talking about her daughter not feeling well, because she was not feeling well the day before, and I knew that

Knew that. Not just Terri told me that. Looks like personal observation to me.

 

[Donjeta]

talking about her daughter not feeling well, because she was not feeling well the day before, and I knew that

Knew that. Not just Terri told me that. Looks like personal observation to me.

Is AL a gym daycare worker or how did she get to observe the baby in order to do that? She said their meeting at FM was the most she had ever talked with Terri so I don't understand how she got so knowledgeable about the baby's health issues. There are few chances of interacting with a baby without interacting with her parent outside of daycare contexts. OTOH if the baby was sick the day before would Terri have taken her to daycare?

 

[Aedrys]

talking about her daughter not feeling well, because she was not feeling well the day before, and I knew that

Knew that. Not just Terri told me that. Looks like personal observation to me.

But it doesn't say she saw the baby on June 4th when she talked to Terri. She referenced the baby not feeling well because she saw her they day before, which I am assuming was June 3rd. So she based the baby not feeling well on a completely different day. TH must not have had baby K with her in that FM store, so we don't know unless someone saw the baby on June 4th if she was actually sick that day. And no one seems to have seen the baby on June 4th to my knowledge, or LE is keeping that info to themselves right now.

I don't believe baby K was sick. I think Terri deliberately talked to someone whom she knew had seen the baby the day before and would believe that baby K was sick upon TH telling her baby K was sick. And teething is not sick. It hurts, but it's not an infection, a virus, or a disease, nor does it require medication to treat - usually a teething ring works just fine. And even if teething were the problem, she dropped baby K off in gym daycare. Either she wasn't sick or having teething problems, or TH cared more about exercising than comforting a sick or teething baby.

Terri clearly used her own child to CYA herself on the day Kyron went missing, and that is just wrong on so many levels.

 

[Calliope]

But it doesn't say she saw the baby on June 4th when she talked to Terri.<snip>

She did see the baby with Terri on June 4th.

So she based the baby not feeling well on a completely different day.

No she didn't.

TH must not have had baby K with her in that FM store

Yes she did.

so we don't know unless someone saw the baby on June 4th if she was actually sick that day

Someone did, and they said they knew baby wasn't feeling well.

And no one seems to have seen the baby on June 4th to my knowledge

Yes they did.



"The only thing that I think was significant about that time is that she showed me a picture of Kyron next to his project," said Leckey according to CBS affiliate KOIN. "I think the thing that seems odd about it perhaps is that we were just passing each other by and in a few seconds, with her daughter being sick in her arms, made a point to show me the picture."

At the time of their Fred Meyer encounter, Leckey said she was being polite and making chit-chat because she knew Horman's daughter was not feeling well.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20013828-504083.html

 

[freefallzzzz]

But it doesn't say she saw the baby on June 4th when she talked to Terri. She referenced the baby not feeling well because she saw her they day before, which I am assuming was June 3rd. So she based the baby not feeling well on a completely different day. TH must not have had baby K with her in that FM store, so we don't know unless someone saw the baby on June 4th if she was actually sick that day. And no one seems to have seen the baby on June 4th to my knowledge, or LE is keeping that info to themselves right now.

I don't believe baby K was sick. I think Terri deliberately talked to someone whom she knew had seen the baby the day before and would believe that baby K was sick upon TH telling her baby K was sick. And teething is not sick. It hurts, but it's not an infection, a virus, or a disease, nor does it require medication to treat - usually a teething ring works just fine. And even if teething were the problem, she dropped baby K off in gym daycare. Either she wasn't sick or having teething problems, or TH cared more about exercising than comforting a sick or teething baby.

Terri clearly used her own child to CYA herself on the day Kyron went missing, and that is just wrong on so many levels.

RE: AL seeing Baby K on June 4

It has been very confusing as they showed the video at the below link on the local news (and must have sent that to their affiliate KTVL, which they also used)

The confusion is when KOIN6 posted their video on their website, they must have used the other parts they DIDN'T show on their live newscast AND also, the parts that seem to have went to CBS affiliates..

Hope that makes sense, but yes, AL does say Terri had Baby K in her arms on 6/4 at FM...

Somebody save this video link =)
http://www.ktvl.com/video/?videoId=581589824001&play=now

 

[BeanE]

Is AL a gym daycare worker or how did she get to observe the baby in order to do that? She said their meeting at FM was the most she had ever talked with Terri so I don't understand how she got so knowledgeable about the baby's health issues. There are few chances of interacting with a baby without interacting with her parent outside of daycare contexts. OTOH if the baby was sick the day before would Terri have taken her to daycare?

If you watch the Koin video linked above, she talks about how she works at the gym, and when Terri and the baby come in, etc.

 

[BeanE]

But it doesn't say she saw the baby on June 4th when she talked to Terri. She referenced the baby not feeling well because she saw her they day before, which I am assuming was June 3rd. So she based the baby not feeling well on a completely different day. TH must not have had baby K with her in that FM store, so we don't know unless someone saw the baby on June 4th if she was actually sick that day. And no one seems to have seen the baby on June 4th to my knowledge, or LE is keeping that info to themselves right now.

She said Terri was holding the baby on June 4 in the Fred Meyer. It's been discussed quite a bit on here.

ETA: I'm late to the party. Others have addressed it.

 

[Billylee]

If you watch the Koin video linked above, she talks about how she works at the gym, and when Terri and the baby come in, etc.

Here's the link again, it appears to be the whole interview Koin did with her (or most of it) so all of it was not probably seen on the news.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/n...-out-Kyron-Horman/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx

This is where she says she saw Th and the sick baby at the gym on the 3rd. It's interesting to me also that she said LE came to her asking about TH's time at the gym on the 4th, but it sounds like from this conversation it was she, Leckey, who brought up the fact to LE that she also saw TH at the FM #2 that day with the baby, when she says that Skyline Elementary rang a bell and she remembered TH showing her the picture. I wonder when LE interviewed her.

 

[Donjeta]

If you watch the Koin video linked above, she talks about how she works at the gym, and when Terri and the baby come in, etc.

The video won't load, it's a broken link.
If the baby was so sick that AL could see it watching a mom and her daughter entering a gym why did they take her in at the gym daycare anyway?

 

[Billylee]

The video won't load for me. .(
If the baby was so sick that AL could see it watching a mom and her daughter entering a gym why did they take her in at the gym daycare anyway?

fixed it

It doesn't say how sick she was, just that she was sick.

 

[freefallzzzz]

Here's the link again, it appears to be the whole interview Koin did with her (or most of it) so all of it was not probably seen on the news.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/ne...jy3W5FG4Q.cspx

This is where she says she saw Th and the sick baby at the gym on the 3rd. It's interesting to me also that she said LE came to her asking about TH's time at the gym on the 4th, but it sounds like from this conversation it was she, Leckey, who brought up the fact to LE that she also saw TH at the FM #2 that day with the baby, when she says that Skyline Elementary rang a bell and she remembered TH showing her the picture. I wonder when LE interviewed her.

I think one would need to look at both videos to get the full story, as you are correct, they did not show that much of the interview on the news locally, I saw what was given to the CBS affiliate on my local news here...

http://www.ktvl.com/video/?videoId=5...24001&play=now
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/ne...jy3W5FG4Q.cspx

 

[Billylee]

Here's a link to a site where I found the longer Leckey interview, I just thought I'd share, because there seems to be a few on here I hadn't seen before. Maybe if you're looking for a particular one, you might find it here. Some of the links seem not to work anymore though.

ETA can't get the link to work. will try again.


It won't link it's another forum, maybe WS doesn't want us to link there? Sorry.