The 911 Call, LE Radio Call & Police Report

[curvecuti]

So the 20 calls are over a 6 HOUR period, not 90 mins.? That's a pretty big difference. I wonder where the 90 mins. come from? :waitasec:

SNIP~

BROOKS: OK. I want to go back out to Ellie Jostad, producer for NANCY GRACE. Ellie, now there's been talk of the night that Haleigh disappeared, that Ronald was trying to get -- was trying to call Misty a number of times in the cell phone. Do we know, for sure, from cell phone records, if this was, in fact, true?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Yes, we do actually. Police say that they do have Ronald Cummings` cell phone records. That they have evidence that he tried to call her over 20 times that night between about 8:00, 8:30 and when he got home from work a little after 3:00.

 

[texasmommy39]

So the 20 calls are over a 6 HOUR period, not 90 mins.? That's a pretty big difference. I wonder where to 90 mins. come from? :waitasec:

SNIP~

The 90 min possible was the time frame between 8:30 and 10 pm when Tommy claims he went to the Cummings trailer. Thank you for the clarification of this one point.

 

[texasmommy39]

IMO it seems Ron was unaware of Misty's reason for turning her phone off. Is the rumor correct that Ron and Misty where fighting that night?

 

[curvecuti]

IMO it seems Ron was unaware of Misty's reason for turning her phone off. Is the rumor correct that Ron and Misty where fighting that night?

AFAIK, the fight is a rumor only, that has been used as fact, much like the time frame of those 20 calls. IMO, this practice of using rumor as fact and the obfuscation by some bloggers and others has caused alot of unnesscessary confusion in this case.

 

[debs]

I believe Ronald said on NG that there was an argument.

 

[elle1919]

I can go back and find the NG transcript but I am almost positive the only place that we heard that there was an argument was on her show. Someone reported to her that there was an argument and it was thought to be about babysitting. It was right around the same time that Misty's father stated that he thought she might not have been home the night Haleigh went missing.

Here:http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/02/ng.01.html

snip~GRACE: Straight out to T.J. Hart, program and news director WSKY, 97.3 FM. T.J., thank you for being with us. Ronald Cummings, the father of little Haleigh, agrees to go with police. He did this voluntarily. And he undergoes intense questioning -- this is just hours ago -- about a phone, a telephone timeline. Can you confirm that there was a horrible argument between Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin, Misty alone at home with Haleigh, just before Haleigh goes missing?

T.J. HART, WSKY 97.3 FM (via telephone): According to his lawyers, they don`t want to get into the intricacies of the conversation, but they say they probably were not having cordial conversations, and they said that there was an argument, and that was pretty much an end of it. Have no idea about how it transpired or anything at this point. But there was indeed an argument.

GRACE: To Natisha Lance, our producer on the story. Police apparently bring Cummings in for questioning, intense questioning, about a telephone timeline leading up all the way to the time Haleigh goes missing. Now, we have reason to believe that they already have Misty Croslin`s cell phone and home phone records, all right? That`s relatively easy to get. The police just had to fill out a subpoena for that and send it to the phone company.

But what are they hoping to get from Ronald to, what, piece together what they were talking about during all these calls? What do you know, Natisha?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, what Ronald`s attorney is telling us today is that they met with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, and in that meeting, they wanted to get all of Ronald`s phone records from about 5:00 PM the night before Haleigh went missing up until the time Haleigh was reported missing, about 3:00 o`clock in the morning.

Now, they did have his records at one time before, but they wanted to go through them piece by piece, each record, what calls were coming in, what calls were going out, even the text messages. Ronald was very happy to hand over this information to them. There`s apparently a new agent who is working on the case, and they are starting, quote, "from scratch."~ end snip

Interestingly enough this was the interview I was looking for two days ago when I was looking for the evidence that RC had talked with investigators SINCE AUGUST.
Better late than never.

 

[Baznme]

The 20+ calls placed that night from Ron's phone are reportedly sometime between the time her phone is turned off approx. 8:30 pm, and roughly the time he was returning from work.

BROOKS: OK. I want to go back out to Ellie Jostad, producer for NANCY GRACE. Ellie, now there's been talk of the night that Haleigh disappeared, that Ronald was trying to get -- was trying to call Misty a number of times in the cell phone. Do we know, for sure, from cell phone records, if this was, in fact, true?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Yes, we do actually. Police say that they do have Ronald Cummings` cell phone records. That they have evidence that he tried to call her over 20 times that night between about 8:00, 8:30 and when he got home from work a little after 3:00.

So we do know that he was trying to call her and apparently wasn't able to get through, whether because her phone was off or she wasn`t answering.

BROOKS: Mr. Beardsley, what has Ronald told you about that time -- during that time frame where he tried to get in touch with Misty?

BEARDSLEY: He just couldn`t get ahold of her. That, you know, he called several times because he couldn`t get ahold of her. It was typical for him when he was at work like that to call her cell phone throughout the evening.

BROOKS: 23 times? 23 times?

BEARDSLEY: I don't know about that many times but I mean, I know every night that he was at work, he would call to check in to make sure she was OK, the kids were OK. And on that particular evening, he was not able to get her on the phone.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0910/16/ng.01.html

arrot:

My antennae went up when I read what I highlighted in red. Why would he still be calling after he got home from work? Just sounds wierd the way its' worded.

 

[debs]

So that clears it up as far as whether the argument is a rumor, if Ronald's lawyers are the one putting it out there for him. Thanks!

 

[curvecuti]

I can go back and find the NG transcript but I am almost positive the only place that we heard that there was an argument was on her show. Someone reported to her that there was an argument and it was thought to be about babysitting. It was right around the same time that Misty's father stated that he thought she might not have been home the night Haleigh went missing.

Here:http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/02/ng.01.html

snip~GRACE: Straight out to T.J. Hart, program and news director WSKY, 97.3 FM. T.J., thank you for being with us. Ronald Cummings, the father of little Haleigh, agrees to go with police. He did this voluntarily. And he undergoes intense questioning -- this is just hours ago -- about a phone, a telephone timeline. Can you confirm that there was a horrible argument between Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin, Misty alone at home with Haleigh, just before Haleigh goes missing?

T.J. HART, WSKY 97.3 FM (via telephone): According to his lawyers, they don`t want to get into the intricacies of the conversation, but they say they probably were not having cordial conversations, and they said that there was an argument, and that was pretty much an end of it. Have no idea about how it transpired or anything at this point. But there was indeed an argument.

GRACE: To Natisha Lance, our producer on the story. Police apparently bring Cummings in for questioning, intense questioning, about a telephone timeline leading up all the way to the time Haleigh goes missing. Now, we have reason to believe that they already have Misty Croslin`s cell phone and home phone records, all right? That`s relatively easy to get. The police just had to fill out a subpoena for that and send it to the phone company.

But what are they hoping to get from Ronald to, what, piece together what they were talking about during all these calls? What do you know, Natisha?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, what Ronald`s attorney is telling us today is that they met with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, and in that meeting, they wanted to get all of Ronald`s phone records from about 5:00 PM the night before Haleigh went missing up until the time Haleigh was reported missing, about 3:00 o`clock in the morning.

Now, they did have his records at one time before, but they wanted to go through them piece by piece, each record, what calls were coming in, what calls were going out, even the text messages. Ronald was very happy to hand over this information to them. There`s apparently a new agent who is working on the case, and they are starting, quote, "from scratch."~ end snip

Interestingly enough this was the interview I was looking for two days ago when I was looking for the evidence that RC had talked with investigators SINCE AUGUST.
Better late than never.

So basically we have TJ Hart saying, someone else said, there was an argument? That's just not enough for me.

He goes from saying

According to his lawyers, they don`t want to get into the intricacies of the conversation

to "they said". Ok, if the lawyers didn't want to get into it, who is they? He makes it sound like it is the lawyers. So either they didn't want to get into it or they did, it can't be both ways. IMO.

 

[elle1919]

So that clears it up as far as whether the argument is a rumor, if Ronald's lawyers are the one putting it out there for him. Thanks!

Please refer to the the snip above from NG that I posted, you would see that what I posted was a statement from TJ HART about what he claims Ronald's attorneys said. They were responding to a question from Nancy herself who said " Can you confirm that there was a horrible argument between Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin, Misty alone at home with Haleigh, just before Haleigh goes missing?

They did not confirm that there was a horrible argument. He said their conversations that day were probably not cordial. but there was an argument and that was the end of it. Sounds to me like the argument and conversations that Misty and Ronald were having throughout the day were not cordial, and the phone call at 8:30 was the end of it. Whatever that means, again to me it sounds like Ronald made himself very clear about his point of view and he wasn't changing his mind.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Yes Ron had lawyered up before discussing phone records--evidently FDLE had some problems w his timeline--but I did find that evening's program interesting.

GRACE: Back to T.J. Hart with WSKY. T.J., I want to focus specifically on what the cops are focusing on right now that we know of. And that is this phone timeline. They are focusing, honing in on a big argument that Ronald Cummings had with Misty Croslin just before the child goes missing.

So you`re telling me you have no idea what the argument was about, you know nothing about it?

T.J. HART, PROGRAM & NEWS DIR., WSKY 97.3FM, COVERING STORY (via phone): That`s according to his attorney. That`s for sure. He said there was a brief argument and that was the end of it. That`s Ron talking to his attorney.

GRACE: OK. Natisha, what do you know?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, according to Tim Miller, they were arguing about -- Misty had apparently been gone for several days prior to Haleigh going missing. She had just come back into the house. They had had arguments about possibly some -- her entertaining other people outside of their relationship.

And when she came back into the house that argument had carried over and carried over also into the day that Haleigh went missing.

GRACE: To Susan Moss, child advocate, family law attorney. Susan, how often have you seen when spouses argue, one takes it out on the child? Like the father and the mother argues just recently and the father throws the baby off a bridge. That just happened.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: Absolutely. Unfortunately too often. Or another scenario is perhaps that she got in a fight and maybe she left. Or somehow the timeline is screwed up. I mean, she failed this poly. Oh, golly. I mean, come on. This is a surprise to no one.

This is a 16-year-old who has changed her stories multiple times. She didn`t call the cops until dad came home and literally forced her to call the cops. And also, this child was taken from a small trailer? How did she not know? It`s just surprising to me her nose hasn't grown.

GRACE: To Kirby Clements. Kirby, you`re a veteran trial lawyer. You`ve been on both sides of the fence. You were a felony prosecutor. Now you`re a defense attorney. What do you make of the fact that Susan just brought up. She didn`t call the cops until Cummings gets home and says where the H is the baby? Then they call the cops.

KIRBY CLEMENTS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, that is a problem, and I have to tell you that anytime your client.

GRACE: Boy, you sure are putting perfume on a pig? That`s a problem. That`s all you can say?

CLEMENTS: It is a problem.

GRACE: You have to sugarcoat that pill.

CLEMENTS: Well, you know, we have to find out what else is going on. I mean if I`m her lawyer, I`m focusing on the father, too. After all, you know.

GRACE: The father? You`re focusing on the father?

CLEMENTS: I would have to focus on the father. This story doesn`t make sense.

GRACE: The father wasn`t home when she went missing.

CLEMENTS: Well, you know what.

GRACE: So why focus on the father?

CLEMENTS: No one knows what time.

GRACE: That doesn`t even make sense.

CLEMENTS: The problem is nobody knows what time the child went missing. Everybody`s...

GRACE: We know when he went to work by all accounts.

CLEMENTS: Says who?

GRACE: Says Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin and the child was seen that day at school up until that afternoon just before Cummings goes to work.

CLEMENTS: What time did the child end up missing? Nobody can answer that question...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/02/ng.01.html

arrot:

 

[elle1919]

I always stated that Ronald spoke with investigators after August with his attorney.:waitasec: I am glad to have found that transcript today even though I needed it over the weekend. Everything happens for a good reason in it's own time...I believe.

I do not jump to the conclusion that FDLE had a problem with the time-line.
Because as Natisha Lance explained here:

snip~
GRACE: To Natisha Lance, our producer on the story. Police apparently bring Cummings in for questioning, intense questioning, about a telephone timeline leading up all the way to the time Haleigh goes missing. Now, we have reason to believe that they already have Misty Croslin`s cell phone and home phone records, all right? That`s relatively easy to get. The police just had to fill out a subpoena for that and send it to the phone company.

But what are they hoping to get from Ronald to, what, piece together what they were talking about during all these calls? What do you know, Natisha?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, what Ronald`s attorney is telling us today is that they met with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, and in that meeting, they wanted to get all of Ronald`s phone records from about 5:00 PM the night before Haleigh went missing up until the time Haleigh was reported missing, about 3:00 o`clock in the morning.

Now, they did have his records at one time before, but they wanted to go through them piece by piece, each record, what calls were coming in, what calls were going out, even the text messages. Ronald was very happy to hand over this information to them. There`s apparently a new agent who is working on the case, and they are starting, quote, "from scratch." ~ end snip

As it states in the part of the text that I bold-ed, they were going over it in depth again, because there was a new agent starting over from scratch and Ronald was very happy to hand that information over to them. While you believe that FDLE had problems with his time-line my position remains the same, Ronald spoke with investigators and was happy to do it after August.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Yes as NG, NLance, Susan Moss, Kirby Clements, evidently even Ron's attorney, and I said, what police were focused on--about which they intensely questioned Ron-w-attorney-at-his-side--was the TELEPHONE TIMELINE.

arrot:

 

[Whisperer]

Yeah, ok, Ronald is very happy to go over the case...okiedokie. I suppose he was thrilled. It just took 5 months to talk about it.

I still don't know where he met with them after Aug. It took them from March till August to get him in there to discuss the phone calls. He and TN knew all along about the calls. He went in to talk when he had Shoemaker....pretty sure, imo, he never spoke to them about it before......betcha!

Shoemaker, again minimizing, says the talks were NOT cordial. Interpretation = Big argument, imo.

 

[Whisperer]

On the 911 call, Misty is just not sure what to say. She has the door opened with a brick, the light was turned on and she was sleeping down pat. If you notice, she hesitatad after the "hi" to the operator...she said ...."and I think......er....and our daughter is missing". I would really like to know what she was going to say after, "I think".

.......from that point on she fills in the blanks. It seems to me like she was told about the door, brick and kitchen light and that Haleigh was gone....not that she knew it first.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Yeah, ok, Ronald is very happy to go over the case...okiedokie. I suppose he was thrilled. It just took 5 months to talk about it.

I still don't know where he met with them after Aug. It took them from March till August to get him in there to discuss the phone calls. He and TN knew all along about the calls. He went in to talk when he had Shoemaker....pretty sure, imo, he never spoke to them about it before......betcha!

Shoemaker, again minimizing, says the talks were NOT cordial. Interpretation = Big argument, imo.

Exactly. And MY point is why did Ron need a LAWYER by his side in order to discuss calls placed the night his child went missing!?!

arrot:

 

[Whisperer]

Yes as NG, NLance, Susan Moss, Kirby Clements, evidently even Ron's attorney, and I said, what police were focused on--about which they intensely questioned Ron-w-attorney-at-his-side--was the TELEPHONE TIMELINE.

arrot:

Yeah Kiki....and it took them 6 months to get it out of them.

 

[elle1919]

There are many unknowns in this case that is for sure. Perhaps Misty was nervous and stumbling over her words even after she called to double check her story with her family(we do know she called one member of her family before calling Ronald and 911) there was no reason for Misty to be nervous with Ronald finally there to help her out with the pesky 911 operator and her questions.:waitasec:

I do not believe Ronald concocted the story about the bricked door or anything else. If there were proof it would have been posted by now in this thread and Ronald would be behind bars. Until then hopefully no-one will mind while those of us who haven't got the case figured out yet chit chat over additional details that might pertain to the radio transmissions and the 911 call. lol.

 

[Whisperer]

There is no evidence at the house and there is no evidence of an intruder.

Chit Chat away...we are all ears!

 

[Baznme]

911: "911, what's your emergency"

Misty Croslin: "Hi...umm...I just woke up...and our backdoor was wide open and I think...and I can't find our daughter"

911: "you can't find what?"

Misty Croslin:"our daughter"

911:" OK, what's your address?

Misty Croslin: "(inaudible)"

911: "OK, what's the numerical?"

Misty Croslin: "The numerical...what's that?"

911: "the number...green lane?"

Misty Croslin: "Yes"

911: "OK when did you last see her?"

Misty Croslin: "Um, we like just, you know...it was about 10 o'clock- she was sleeping- I was cleaning... "WHO IS WE"?

911: "OK- how old is your daughter?"

Misty Croslin: "She's five"

911: "Ok...what was she last seen wearing? Maam..."

Misty Croslin: "She was in her pajamas- she was sleeping..."

911: "OK...alright...You said your back door was wide open?"

Misty Croslin: "yes- it was bricked- there was a brick on the floor...when I was asleep it was not like that." "HOW WOULD SHE KNOW IF SHE WAS SLEEPING"?

911: Ok...the back door...listen to me...your back door was wide open...what are you talking about a brick?"

Misty Croslin: "(inaudible)"

911: "what is a brick?"

Misty Croslin: "it's almost like-- on the stairs- we have a walkway..."

911:" uh huh....and there was a brick laying there?"

Misty Croslin: "yes...it's still there"

(background) tell them they've better come on...

911: "we've got em coming- tell him we've got them coming"

Misty Croslin: "they're coming"

911: "Ok what's the color of your house ma'am?

Misty Croslin: "blue"


911: "blue, OK
(pause)

OK- what does she look like? How tall is she? Give me some description of her."

Misty Croslin: "How tall she she? Like long hair like curly...with curls..

911: "long curls...what color?"

Misty Croslin: "(inaudible)"

911:" ok- what color hair? Brown hair?" "BROWN HAIR? I HAVEN'T SEEN A PIC YET OF HALEIGH THAT SHE DOESN'T CLEARLY HAVE BLONDE HAIR"!

Misty Croslin: "Yes...oh my gosh...."

911: "OK- how tall is she about? Or how much does she weigh...do you know that?"

Misty Croslin: "huh?"

911: "about how tall or how much she weigh?"

Misty Croslin: "24 sounds about right- I don't know- she's not that tall...."

911: "OK-wait- tell your husband we've got them coming, ok?"

Misty Croslin: "OK"

911: "How much does she weigh- do you know?"

Misty Croslin: "huh?"

911: "How much does she weigh?"

Misty Croslin: "um...like 40-50 pounds- 60 pounds?

911: "40-60 pounds?"

Misty Croslin: "yeah"

911: "OK- let me get your name and phone number. Spell your last name...

spell your last name? "THIS SOUNDS LIKE A STALL TO ME. SHE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE HER NAME."
Was your back door locked do you know?"

Misty Croslin: "Yes...(inaudible)"

Ronald Cummings: "Man, I need somebody to get here now!"

911: "OK, let me speak to him..."

Ronald Cummings: "I just got home from work, my five-year-old daughter is gone- I need someone here now."

911: "OK, listen to me...listen to me...we've got two officers..."

Ronald Cummings: "if I find whoever has my daughter before you all do, I'm killing them...I don't care- I will spend the rest of my life in prison....you can put that on the recording...I don't care."

911: "It's OK sir, we've got them on the way...ok- can you give me...what kind of description of pajamas was she wearing? "

Ronald Cummings: "I don't f%$ know!"

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The items I highlighted are now jumping out at me. I've always had a funny feeling about the original 911 call. Maybe I'm wrong but she was in protection mode from the start.