The 911 Call, LE Radio Call & Police Report

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I think it could very much be a clue. It's almost like a guilty, subconsious slip that he knows something happened to her while she was NOT being "the most well-behaved" little girl at the time.

Of all of the good things he could've said about HaLeigh, why would he say how well-behaved she was? Doesn't make sense to me. All JMO

BBM: ITA that the references to HaLeigh being well-behaved along with Ron's comment that he "would give (his) life to have (HaLeigh's) life back" were both clues, at least for me, that the little girl may have been disciplined in a manner that went too far. jmo
 
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BBM

I think it could very much be a clue. It's almost like a guilty, subconsious slip that he knows something happened to her while she was NOT being "the most well-behaved" little girl at the time.

Of all of the good things he could've said about HaLeigh, why would he say how well-behaved she was? Doesn't make sense to me.

All JMO

Because well-behaved children NEVER need to be punished.
 
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Because well-behaved children NEVER need to be punished.

Bingo! Also, Ron was not the only one to use that phrase when describing Haleigh. I believe TN said it and perhaps GGMS said it (or at least GGMS told her to behave that night, according to her).
 
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BBM: ITA that the references to HaLeigh being well-behaved along with Ron's comment that he "would give (his) life to have (HaLeigh's) life back" were both clues, at least for me, that the little girl may have been disciplined in a manner that went too far. jmo

Ron wasn't the only one that made that sort of comment either....GMSykes said something similiar too. She said she told Haleigh to "be good" before she left the mh that evening...supposedly.
 
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I'm not suspicious about him calling her a good girl or well-behaved - I think he's said a lot more hinky stuff than that. Where I come from we would often say 'oh, she's a good girl' or comment on a child's behaviour in a positive light.

We see so much of this in Ireland, where the father is not close to the kids, couldn't really tell you what the children like/dislike or how they are as people. They are distanced from their children. I think Ron was not very aware of his children as people, human beings. To him, they were just the kids.
 
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As much as I have read about Ron's reactions on this call, I still can't help feeling he acted just as I would have expected him to. Ron Cummings is a different breed, he is highly aggressive and unpredictable with a deep mistrust of the law. He is not alone in that last respect; many injured parties feel that justice is not adequately served on the perpetrators of crimes.

Taking Ron's reponse at face value I can understand his frustration. He seems anxious to have LE come to his home 'right now' which should be an atypical reaction for a criminal or who is a guilty party. Yet nobody has pointed that out. He just got in the door and doesn't know the circumstances. He clarifies this by telling the operator he was at work. If I was in the same situation, I would mostly likely say 'I just got in' or something like that. Ron is angry with what he feels are delaying tactics by 911, when you would think that he should be pleased that it's buying him more time.
In the beginning of the 911 call you can hear him calling for Haleigh in the background. Considering he was at work, I think it would have been really suspect if he had made the call to 911 and not allowed Misty to speak. I would have expected him to want to control it and he doesn't.

I don't like this guy one little bit and I think that he has hindered the investigation. But I think he was not told the truth by Misty and instead told a story that implicated him. IMO, his reactions recorded on the 911 call fit his character as we have come to know it.

For someone with a deep mistrust of the law, when Geraldo confronted him with the allegations about him, he was quick to want to talk to LE and report those people.

"RONALD CUMMINGS : [OVERLAP] Never. Never, never have I ever hit any woman, period. Never. And I’d like to know where all these allegations are coming from because I would like to talk — talk to law enforcement and have these false allegations, um, known that, um, the false allegations against me, somebody needs criminal charges pressed against them."

I thought that part of the interview shows when Ron gets angry, is caught off guard and not controlling the coversation, has a hard time forming his thoughts and words so misspeaks and sputters while trying to figure out what he should say..not what he wants to say. The "talk to law enforcement" and "somebody needs criminal charges pressed against them" was obviously not what he wanted to say. He stopped himsel and had to think about what he could say that would not confirm that he was a violent person.

The Geraldo tape and the Cobra tapes show the "real" Ronald Cummings when he is not prepared. When he says something he should not, he automatically tries to cover it up. He immeidately stops the flow of the conversation, pauses or stutters, figures out what he shoudl be saying and starts talking again.

If you compare those tapes to the 911 call where Ron should be angry/upset and completely caught off gaurd, he is very controlled. There is not sputtering or trying to think of what he needs to say. Ron clearly threatens a life yet never tries to cover it up, actually re-enforces that he will carry out that threat.

If Ron had "blurted" out the threats in the 911 call, IMO it would have been automatic for him to stop himself and try to cover up his threats just like all his other conversations. Yet somehow Ron NEVER tries to make excuses for his threats against whoever stole Haleigh but always tries to re-enforce them. IMO, that is his way of trying to convince people it was an outsider.
 
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I've been very suspicious of Ron, but that particular statement didn't strike me like that. He could've spoken from a 'common sense' knowledge, that if she wasn't back by then, she wasn't coming back . Also, it could've been spoken from severe depression that things were bleak & would never get better. Like I said, I've been very suspicious, but I would think that parents of missing children would have hopeful times, but also completely hopeless moments & this might have been a hopeless moment. I had a similar experience with my 20 year old daughter. Her bf called & said that they had argued & he had put her out about a mile from my house. We drove around, couldn't find her, & I panicked. I called 911, & basically said that if he had done something to her, we would kill him. I was having a hopeless moment. When I was asked to describe what she was last wearing, I freaked because the operator spoke in the past tense. We finally found her several hours later-walking-because she had walked back to his house, @3;30 in the morn, & he had put her out again . That was the night that I started hating that bf. & I slapped her hard & more thane once, on the way home. Not knowing where your kid is, & I don't care how old they are, is a horrible, sinking feeling.
& I wanted to add a couple of things...even though I was upset that the operator spoke of my daughter in the past tense, I didn't cuss him out-& I'm a cusser. Also, the grocery store where the bf claimed to have dropped her off didn't show up on the city map, so the op told me I didn't know what I was talking about, but I knew that store existed because we go there almost every day. I still didn't cuss or hang up. The bf lives out of city limits so they refused to call him, even though she was put out in the city. I still didn't argue. But, to his house, to dragg his butt to the station, is where we were headed when we found her. Also, while I was waiting on my husband to get dressed, I was outside looking for her, & I got some neighbor guys to also look for her. It was a harrowing night, & I was in a panic, because my daughter didn't even have her phone. I can only imagine the up & down emotions that families of missing children go through.
 
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I'm bumping this because the "Ron at Work" thread has had discussion of RC and the 911 and THAT night.

Something is buggin' me about RC's insistence on "getting someone here NOW" and "give me my phone, they ain't comin' , I'll get someone here NOW"

NOW? as opposed to later? before?

I understand the need of a distraught parent at that time - when you discover your child is missing but why the emphasis on the word NOW? They're coming - probably as fast as they can - and RC would have known that having mommy dearest work experience.

Anybody else's thoughts on why the word NOW was used so prolifically?
 
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Swag, I've always heard the "NOW" as an insistence of urgency. But coupled with the lack of assistance and reluctance to talk to the 911 operator, and the defiance at providing any pertinent information, that it was used merely as a pretense.

It is the natural drive to hold onto the ONLY thing that will be able to help you, no matter how irrational that might be. A 911 operator's job is to provide that link from absolute chaos and reality. Ron did not want that help.
 
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I kinda think debs, that the NOW was referred to quite often during the events of that night. "When the cops get here................." "you know, when we call them, they'll come fast..............." "We have to get the (insert whatever, drugs, guns, plants, ) out of here NOW before we call the cops..............."

The NOW in the 911 call, IMO, was almost an excited utterance that RC made concerning the rest of the night's events. NOW we have to do this, NOW we have to do that, NOW we have to call 911 and get them here NOW. KWIM?
 
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He may have wanted them there NOW, but he sure as shootin' didn't want to talk to them NOW or THEN or EVER.
 
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Hmmm, I was going to another thread with this but it’s got some type of a padlock looking thing on it.

Let’s see:

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2010.04.23 911 call revisited

Yep, I'm in the right place. sooo.....

Cursing the 911 operator, cursing law enforcement, refusing to answer basic questions about your daughter, and hanging up on the operator TWICE during a 6 minute and 42 second call have got to be the all time strangest words and actions I have ever heard from a father of a missing child.

The words I heard Ronald Cummings say to the 911 operator who was diligently trying to do a thankless job not only seemed strange, but reprehensible to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2GS0LYHWIY
 
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I saw some speculation on another thread about the police report narrative so I thought I would give this thread a bump and ask a question. I know I have asked this before but don't think anyone ever answered.

Narrative can be found here: http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609



MY question is does everyone responding officer write up his own narrative? Was this responding officer the first on the scene on 2/9? I see where it states DS Bridges and I arrived on the scene at the same time..3:40. Is this report written by LaVoy?

Also....this part Misty old me that she woke up just before 3am to get a drink and she noticed that Haleigh was missing, however the OTHER child was still in bed. MIsty ran around the residence franticallly looking for haleigh and that she noticed the back door was standing open. Misty said that she was sure the back door had been locked prior to her going to bed........is 100% conflicting with what Misty stated in the LVA .....she said she got up to go to the bathroom and got to the kitchen, saw the door, and ran back to get her phone....THEN NOTICED HALEIGH MISSING AND FREAKED OUT.
 
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Kimster posted this link in the Levi thread that's now closed.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/missing_haleigh_police_report_021609

I find the part I put in "red" is quite interesting as it doesn't add up with the time of the actual 911 call of 3:27 am.

~snip~

I then made contact with Misty Croslin, Ronalds girlfriend. Misty told me that she had put the children to bed at approximately 8pm. MIsty said that they were sleeping in HER BED, and when she laid down at around 10:30pm both children were still in bed. I asked MIsty who the other child was and she advised the other child was Haleighs brother. Misty old me that she woke up just before 3am to get a drink and she noticed that Haleigh was missing, however the OTHER child was still in bed. MIsty ran around the residence franticallly looking for haleigh and that she noticed the back door was stanfing open. MIsty said that she was sure the back door had been locked prior to her going to bed.

Misty said that at approximately 5 minutes after she noticed Haleigh missing, Ronald arrived home. Misty said that as soon as she told Ronald Haleigh was missing, Ronald told Misty to call 911, which she did. I asked MIsty if she ever took Haleigh on a walk, and Misty advised that she sometimes walked with Haleigh to 116 Tyler Street to visit her family.

~end snip~

If we're to believe this version of time, the 911 call would have had to have happened some time BEFORE 3:27 am, maybe around 3:10-3:15 am, which we all no isn't the time it happened. IMO, Misty isn't very good at telling time or telling the truth.
 
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RC: His emotions are a roller coaster--rage, fear, etc--due to a panic. He probably can't figure out what he needs to do first other than to call 911 and he feels time is crawling and they are not responding fast enough and how tall she is, her dob, etc can be sorted out later once they find her. His mind is trying to stay focused on what needs to be done but horrible images of what could have happened are creeping in, thus the emotion, then regaining control and yelling again.

MC: One of 2 things: she knows exactly what happened, or at least a good portion of it, but is still in disbelief "oh my gosh"
OR
she was asleep and remembers more how she was feeling as she started to notice things didn't look right, but she may not have remembered the order in which she did this or that-did she notice Haleigh missing first or the door open first? She may not remember the order other than to remember noticing those 2 things and panicking and not knowing what to do
 
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If we're to believe this version of time, the 911 call would have had to have happened some time BEFORE 3:27 am, maybe around 3:10-3:15 am, which we all no isn't the time it happened. IMO, Misty isn't very good at telling time or telling the truth.

What time did Ron get off? Was it 3? Didn't he stop on the way home? Perhaps to her it felt like 5 min because she was frantic; she noticed it was three-something, knew Ron would be home soon, and so wanted to find Haleigh prior to Ron getting home?
 
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Interesting how the police report narrative say's Misty woke up before 3 and Misty said after 3...

hopingicanhelp.......WELCOME to WS...we haven't met, I'm glad you are here!!
 
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The difference between the syringe found at Caylee's site and the footprint at the MH is that with testing, they can see if there's something in that syringe which ties it to Caylee. The footprint is a step-in-time with no static line to tie it to. She could have stepped there anytime from the day they moved in to earlier that afternoon. If that footprint were found by the Shell Harbor boat ramp, though.......I'd be on that like stink on a monkey. In her own yard, tho......
but if they find some prints around it that don't match Ron or Misty, they might can determine something...like a shoe size, shoe type. Did Ron say that Haleigh was wearing shoes or barefoot?
 
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but if they find some prints around it that don't match Ron or Misty, they might can determine something...like a shoe size, shoe type. Did Ron say that Haleigh was wearing shoes or barefoot?

The path down to the river from the MH is a public one.
 
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What time did Ron get off? Was it 3? Didn't he stop on the way home? Perhaps to her it felt like 5 min because she was frantic; she noticed it was three-something, knew Ron would be home soon, and so wanted to find Haleigh prior to Ron getting home?

Ron worked overtime that night (I believe unplanned overtime because it was reported a barge came in that they had to unload). Since Misty didn't answer Ron's phone calls, I'm not so sure she would know Ron had to work until 3:00.
 

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