The Balcony Adjoining JBRs Bedroom

[Scorpian]

Actually, getting to the balcony would not have been a difficult feat. I have seen the house. When I was told where JB's room was I was shocked, b/c there is/was a tree growing right up against the balcony. It would've been simple for someone to use the tree as a ladder...what also intrigued me was riding around the neigborhood b/c not far behind the house is a rode that appeared to me to go up to the mountains, but it could be a house/houses and ended. But someone could've gotten on that rode and had a clear view of the house. I did not venture up that far, but boy did I want to.
I hated feeling like a tourist, but I was just looking and observing.
The property appears to be quite large, but in reality it is very small, the alley leads to other speculations on my part. All the other homes had fences or dividers but this house did not. It was pretty open as far as I could tell.
My point is the tree against the balcony shocked me! This was not long after the incident.

 

[MurriFlower]

Actually, getting to the balcony would not have been a difficult feat. I have seen the house. When I was told where JB's room was I was shocked, b/c there is/was a tree growing right up against the balcony. It would've been simple for someone to use the tree as a ladder...what also intrigued me was riding around the neigborhood b/c not far behind the house is a rode that appeared to me to go up to the mountains, but it could be a house/houses and ended. But someone could've gotten on that rode and had a clear view of the house. I did not venture up that far, but boy did I want to.
I hated feeling like a tourist, but I was just looking and observing.
The property appears to be quite large, but in reality it is very small, the alley leads to other speculations on my part. All the other homes had fences or dividers but this house did not. It was pretty open as far as I could tell.
My point is the tree against the balcony shocked me! This was not long after the incident.

Ok, well I don't see a tree anywhere close enough or big enough to climb. But that drain pipe sure would make a nice ladder.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Well, if they truly waited in the house for hours for the Ramseys to come home, would that not have put them climbing up to that balcony in broad daylight? Would there not have been the worry that some of the neighbors would have spotted them? Also, the neighbor that had the barking dog, he surely would have been barking his head off and his owner quite likely would have checked to see what he was barking at.

 

[joeskidbeck]

You know, I might give this some credence if the person who climbed up already knew that the door was unlocked. Like maybe someone who got locked out of the house and needed to get in? JAR comes to mind. I know he was supposed to have been in Atlanta, but we already have one neighbor who says they saw him outside the house that day.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Actually, getting to the balcony would not have been a difficult feat. I have seen the house. When I was told where JB's room was I was shocked, b/c there is/was a tree growing right up against the balcony. It would've been simple for someone to use the tree as a ladder...what also intrigued me was riding around the neigborhood b/c not far behind the house is a rode that appeared to me to go up to the mountains, but it could be a house/houses and ended. But someone could've gotten on that rode and had a clear view of the house. I did not venture up that far, but boy did I want to.
I hated feeling like a tourist, but I was just looking and observing.
The property appears to be quite large, but in reality it is very small, the alley leads to other speculations on my part. All the other homes had fences or dividers but this house did not. It was pretty open as far as I could tell.
My point is the tree against the balcony shocked me! This was not long after the incident.

What year did you go see the house? And what type of tree was it? Did you take any pictures, by chance? Thanks!

 

[MurriFlower]

Well, if they truly waited in the house for hours for the Ramseys to come home, would that not have put them climbing up to that balcony in broad daylight? Would there not have been the worry that some of the neighbors would have spotted them? Also, the neighbor that had the barking dog, he surely would have been barking his head off and his owner quite likely would have checked to see what he was barking at.

I don't know bec, what time does it get dark in Boulder on 25th December -- 5pm or 5.30pm?? They arrived home at -- what 9.30pm?? Nobody takes any notice of a constantly barking dog.

 

[SunnieRN]

You know, I might give this some credence if the person who climbed up already knew that the door was unlocked. Like maybe someone who got locked out of the house and needed to get in? JAR comes to mind. I know he was supposed to have been in Atlanta, but we already have one neighbor who says they saw him outside the house that day.

Oh my god! I have never heard this before! Was the 'unknown DNA' run against JAR? (Just in case?)

As for dogs barking for overly long periods of time, in my neighborhood it garners a lot of curiosity. I live in a fairly good neighborhood, with a lot of LE officers and army sergeants, corporals and doctors in the neighborhood. A dog barking is a cause for concern as most neighbors keep their dogs in the house.

 

[CathyR]

If that is the case...as an IDI...how would you explain the broken window and the glass in the basement and the suitcase under the window? Never had heard anything about an open balcony door before, or the tape, etc.

In the crime scene photos links there is a floor plan of the house that shows the balcony.


I think Fleet said he moved the suitcase to that area.

If an IDI entered through the balcony close to the victim, beginning of the crime, exited out the basement close to the victim, end of the crime. Not hard to follow.

Window could have been broken even days before to see what if any response the police would have, checkout the security system. Found out basement windows were not included or assumed unit was armed and basement windows not included, may have tested balcony window at same time, leaving it a jar and breaking window at same time. No one even noticed as unit was not armed. Killer just assumes it is and thinks he found two weak points.

Not to say any of the actions beyond what happened to JBR aren't also criminal.

 

[Bobbarita]

I hate to assume, but IDI detective Lou Smit never postulated the balcony as an entry point for the "intruder". If a balcony entry theory would have been possible I'm confident he would have included it along with the basement window.

 

[Ames]

In the crime scene photos links there is a floor plan of the house that shows the balcony.


I think Fleet said he moved the suitcase to that area.

If an IDI entered through the balcony close to the victim, beginning of the crime, exited out the basement close to the victim, end of the crime. Not hard to follow.

Window could have been broken even days before to see what if any response the police would have, checkout the security system. Found out basement windows were not included or assumed unit was armed and basement windows not included, may have tested balcony window at same time, leaving it a jar and breaking window at same time. No one even noticed as unit was not armed. Killer just assumes it is and thinks he found two weak points.

Not to say any of the actions beyond what happened to JBR aren't also criminal.

I knew that there WAS a balcony in her room. I just wondered where MF read that the door was open. Never heard that before. Okay...so he enters through the balcony door...goes right past JB....down the stairs...risking being caught....sits down at the table and writes a three page RN, goes BACK upstairs and grabs JB, takes her down to the WC for whatever reason...when he could of....oh, I don't know...just taken her out the front door, it was alot closer. Kills her, goes back up the stairs and lays the RN down on the staircase, goes BACK down to the basement for his escape. WHY? Sounds like alot of unnecessary movement in a home that has three other sleeping people inside. No, it's not hard to follow at all....:waitasec:

 

[feddup]

I dont think they wouldve used balcony, too high up. Wouldve meant draggin a laddr, etc.

When the police came did any of them right away try to find out where kidnapper had entered? I have always thought through the basement window.

 

[DeeDee249]

I dont think they wouldve used balcony, too high up. Wouldve meant draggin a laddr, etc.

When the police came did any of them right away try to find out where kidnapper had entered? I have always thought through the basement window.

Not the basement window. There was a spider web still unbroken across the metal grate that covered the window well on the outside. No one went in that window. There was also a lot of UNdisturbed debris in the window well.

 

[Ames]

I dont think they wouldve used balcony, too high up. Wouldve meant draggin a laddr, etc.

When the police came did any of them right away try to find out where kidnapper had entered? I have always thought through the basement window.

Nobody used the balcony, because she was killed by someone that lived in the home with her. No, you are right...the balcony is way too high. Unless the "invisible intruder" had "invisble" wings.

It was just assumed that the "intruder" used the basement window because of that suitcase that was found under it, the one that Fleet said that he had moved, to look for glass.

 

[feddup]

Not the basement window. There was a spider web still unbroken across the metal grate that covered the window well on the outside. No one went in that window. There was also a lot of UNdisturbed debris in the window well.

I wish Barbra Walters wouldve done her homework when she interviewed the R's if this was the case.
I do remember JR talking about the window and suitcase under it. The suitcase made him suspicious, he said.

 

[Ames]

I wish Barbra Walters wouldve done her homework when she interviewed the R's if this was the case.
I do remember JR talking about the window and suitcase under it. The suitcase made him suspicious, he said.

Why is that? Fleet said that HE is the one that moved the suitcase under the window, while he was looking for glass from that broken window. Why is that suspicious to John?

 

[joeskidbeck]

Why is that? Fleet said that HE is the one that moved the suitcase under the window, while he was looking for glass from that broken window. Why is that suspicious to John?

Especially when John had admitted that he was the one who broke the window to begin with.

 

[feddup]

Why is that? Fleet said that HE is the one that moved the suitcase under the window, while he was looking for glass from that broken window. Why is that suspicious to John?

I dont know, that is why I said I wish Barbara Walters had asked.
He just said that the suitcase under the window made him suspicious.
He said it looked "out of place" and that it did not belong there. He did
not mention Fleet moving it.

 

[feddup]

A suitcase under a window would not look right to me either.

If JR was taking place in this huge coverup, why would he admit to
breaking the window? None makes sense if you think about it.
He wouldve kept quiet about the broken window?

 

[Toltec]

Police opened the balcony door...looking for footprints. Patsy pointed out the open balcony door but was told an officer opened it to take photos.

She had a Christmas tree next to the balcony so my guess would be the curtains were left open to light up her balcony.

 

[CathyR]

John broke window in basement. Didn't know that. No need for IDI to break it then.


If the killer entered the balcony after the R's left to go to party he had plenty of time to write RN before they got home, even a practice note too.
However the RN may have been written after the murder as an IDI would have had plenty of time before the R's woke.

He could have locked it behind him (for when JBR is kidnapped he doesn't want her to have an avenue of escape, just in case.) Made sure no finger prints on handle, etc. Scoped out inside of house and planned an escape route from within. He could have gone all over house up down and into every room. Hid someplace in home waiting.

Items used in crime that were not able to be traced to house. Rope and tape.


Items used in crime came from house- flashlight if this is the murder weapon, paintbrush, RN paper and pen.
The staging items all came from the house, the blanket and doll.

If an IDI did it they had to be very close to know where all this stuff is, or have time to discover it on their own.

I too don't see them running around the house a whole lot. The biggest risk being when JBR is taken from her bed.

Some evidence has been thrown around as to stun gun injuries as that would disable a child or adult long enough to get them downstairs.

Getting cooperation is much easier. Much as been said about prior abuse and that being the motive. Could this be said of an IDI too? In order for an outside family member to be able to groom a child it takes lots of exposure to that person in order to gain the trust needed, unless the person is supposed to be a mythical person like the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, Easter Bunny,etc.