The Best Untainted Evidence-The Ransom Letter

[Jane Osa]

Basically, the garrote was John's (and/or?) sexual toy & this had been used if he was molesting his daughter. I've never understood the garrote as a weapon of murder 'on it's own' - it's not actually intended for that (assuming this is not the first time used) i.e., not intended for murder but sadistic sex-games. Apparently popular in child- - restraint & the 'forcing' of experiences on the recipient in a sadistic manner...

 

[Jane Osa]

I'm not ruling the garrote out as being primarily John & Patsy's 'toy', either - it would explain it's presence in the home. However, I do believe whomever used it on Jonbenet had these sadistic sexual intentions....

 

[BBB167893]

Okay, I dig.

 

[KoldKase]

"Erotic asphyxiation" was Dr. Wecht's theory in his book Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey. I think he still favors that one.

 

[BBB167893]

KoldKase, my old friend!

Everyone please give a warm welcome.

 

[UKGuy]

"Erotic asphyxiation" was Dr. Wecht's theory in his book Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey. I think he still favors that one.

KoldKase,

Dr. Wecht's theory, may be alike Steve Thomas' Toilet Rage theory, a crowd pleasing, book filler?

Auto Erotic asphyxiation deaths are normally solo events, accidents caused by the individual placing pleasure above common sense resulting in the person hanging themselves.

JonBenet at six-years old would be unlikely to be pursuing such ends. Also the knotting in the garrote was fixed so would not allow any control over the pressure applied to the neck.


IMO the garrote is simply staging as are JonBenet's clothes and placement into the wine-cellar. JonBenet's sexual assault and consequent bleeding was cleaned up and hidden from view, prior to her being placed into the wine-cellar. Not something an intruder or intruder defined staging requires as part of the game plan? Nearly everything found in the wine-cellar relating to JonBenet's death generates external parallel accounts e.g. Patsy redressing a sleeping JonBenet in the longjohns, she has to be sleeping else she would demand her pajamas?

But what of the size-12's why no premediated account for those, because its likely that it was John who redressed JonBenet in both the size-12's and the longjohns. How so, because when Patsy was asked to account for the size-12's she lied, and lied e.g. agreeing that any pack of size-12's purchased in NY should still be in the house, but the BPD had just searched the house from top to bottom, then she was told no size-12's were discovered in JonBenet's Panty Drawer. Recognizing how that might look in the witness box, a pack of Bloomingdales size-12's were miraculously discovered in some unspecified packing crate.

Looks to me like as per JonBenet's chronic and acute molestation injuries, she complained when the secret santa paid a visit, and he probably aroused and impatient whacked JonBenet, she screamed and he retaliated by throttling her, later she was garroted to obsfucate the marks on her neck.

JonBenet's homicide is nearly all staging, possibly even her acute sexual assault, masking any recent molestation, her head injury may even be staging, an attempt to offer a cause of death, with this not visible, the garrote is added, apparently by Patsy?


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[JMO8778]

"Erotic asphyxiation" was Dr. Wecht's theory in his book Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey. I think he still favors that one.

welcome,Koldkase!
The only question I have about that is,the garrote wasn't said to be functional as one.It was said to be made on her.
I'm just wondering if Wecht had access to all the evidence.It doesn't sound like that was the case at the time.
Does he mention any of Patsy's evidence at all,esp. her fibers? thanks.

 

[JMO8778]

KoldKase,

Dr. Wecht's theory, may be alike Steve Thomas' Toilet Rage theory, a crowd pleasing, book filler?

Auto Erotic asphyxiation deaths are normally solo events, accidents caused by the individual placing pleasure above common sense resulting in the person hanging themselves.

yes,it wouldn't make any sense to put it on a 6 yo.

JonBenet at six-years old would be unlikely to be pursuing such ends. Also the knotting in the garrote was fixed so would not allow any control over the pressure applied to the neck.

that also rules out someone trying to cause her to temporarily pass out,in order to molest her.

Looks to me like as per JonBenet's chronic and acute molestation injuries, she complained when the secret santa paid a visit, and he probably aroused and impatient whacked JonBenet, she screamed and he retaliated by throttling her, later she was garroted to obsfucate the marks on her neck.

I agree,and we all know who called himself santa,and I don't mean McReynolds..

JonBenet's homicide is nearly all staging, possibly even her acute sexual assault, masking any recent molestation, her head injury may even be staging, an attempt to offer a cause of death, with this not visible, the garrote is added, apparently by Patsy?


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I wonder about an acute assault being staged,possibly the hand that broke the brush did a sweep inside JB in an attempt to clear out any blood that may have accumulated?esp. since we know she was wiped of blood on her thigh.

garrote by Patsy...is it possible the cord and tape had been on one of the paintings she was getting ready to take to MI the next day,and as she was preparing it..some of her own fibers got on them,bf they were used for staging?

 

[txsvicki]

I was going to quit annoying people with my thoughts on the JonBenet section of WS, but just have to add a few thoughts about the note and the murder. The whole ransom note from start to finish seems to be some sort of very organized sadistic fantasy type scenario. The foreign faction is in charge. There's almost a visual movie scene with the calmer guy who's writing the note in cahoots with two others who are uncontrollable and blood thirsty. The faction has already decided the punishment so he's not really responsible. Many words have sexually sadistic tones, such as respect, possession, follow, instruction/s, deviation, safe, unharmed, watching over, and you will a couple of times. The note is at times reassuring then gets mean and verbally abusive decribing the punishment for deviating from instructions. The note goes into name calling and humiliation while instilling fear. There's a consistent fantasy theme throughout the note with mentions of death as punishment. The items used in the murder fit in with the note and with a sadistic fantasy. The binding, the tape, garrotte, and the injuries. Even the cleaning up and placing a blanket over JonBenet seems to fit with a lunatic sadist who has gone from punishing to being kind to the victim. The note and murder together seems like someone in a fantasy acting out a dominating role.

 

[UKGuy]

yes,it wouldn't make any sense to put it on a 6 yo.

that also rules out someone trying to cause her to temporarily pass out,in order to molest her.

I agree,and we all know who called himself santa,and I don't mean McReynolds..

I wonder about an acute assault being staged,possibly the hand that broke the brush did a sweep inside JB in an attempt to clear out any blood that may have accumulated?esp. since we know she was wiped of blood on her thigh.

garrote by Patsy...is it possible the cord and tape had been on one of the paintings she was getting ready to take to MI the next day,and as she was preparing it..some of her own fibers got on them,bf they were used for staging?

JMO8778,

I wonder about an acute assault being staged,possibly the hand that broke the brush did a sweep inside JB in an attempt to clear out any blood that may have accumulated?esp. since we know she was wiped of blood on her thigh.

She may have been wiped down twice, once upstairs , then again after being redressed in the size-12's, courtesy of John, who wished to hide either staging or an assault? The point being no intruder or stager need hide the sexual assault!

garrote by Patsy...is it possible the cord and tape had been on one of the paintings she was getting ready to take to MI the next day,and as she was preparing it..some of her own fibers got on them,bf they were used for staging?

Sure is possible, what is not is that the intruder brought his cord with him and rubbed it against Patsy's jacket as he made his way about the house. That Patsy's fibers are embeded into the knotting means either she tied the knots or the fibers have arrived via random transfer, her attorney would claim the latter in court, but then the riposte would be: so how come there are the same fibers under the duct-tape?

e.g. it appears that Patsy staged the garroting, wrist-restraints and duct-tape etc, all achievable whilst JonBenet is wrapped inside the blankets her sexual assault and size-12's hidden from view, this is why I partition the staging into John's part and Patsy's!

Assuming the the forensic evidence regarding the fibers from John's Israeli shirt is kosher, nice pun there, then his fibers are found within a wrapped body, wearing longjohns and Bloomingdales size-12's, so the symmetry looks good?


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[Ames]

"Erotic asphyxiation" was Dr. Wecht's theory in his book Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey. I think he still favors that one.

YAHHHH, KoldKase...welcome! :woohoo:

 

[Ames]

Good luck to you pal, Ames. It can be rough out there.

<<SNIPPED>>

We have a winner! Tell her what she's won, Johnny! You've won a murder that will never be resolved because the killer is dead!

Thanks SD, she got rave reviews!!

AWWWWW...I don't like my prize Johnny, can I trade it for something else?

 

[Ames]

the writer of the ramsom note wanted it to appear as though this was about
"money"

but i dont think anything was ever stolen from the house that had any monetary value........

thats kind of weird

they wanted 118,000 bucks but took nothing of value from the house


can you say "smokescreen"

it was never about money, it was about a disguise

I KNOWWWWW...I have said that all along. All that time in the house, supposedly while the Ramseys were at the party, he took all that time to write that extremely long RN, and he could have taken some of that time, to steal a few things. John was very wealthy, I am sure he had quite a few things worth stealing...and so did Patsy. Heck, he could have taken Patsy's Miss West Virginia crown and sash, I am sure that they were worth at least, several million dollars.

 

[coloradokares]

KoldKase, my old friend!

Everyone please give a warm welcome.

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[Peculiar Petunia]

I KNOWWWWW...I have said that all along. All that time in the house, supposedly while the Ramseys were at the party, he took all that time to write that extremely long RN, and he could have taken some of that time, to steal a few things. John was very wealthy, I am sure he had quite a few things worth stealing...and so did Patsy. Heck, he could have taken Patsy's Miss West Virginia crown and sash, I am sure that they were worth at least, several million dollars.

Not that I disagree, but would those disorganized, status-conscious Rs have missed a bauble or two or three?

 

[Ames]

Not that I disagree, but would those disorganized, status-conscious Rs have missed a bauble or two or three?

LOL...probably not. But, if I had of been an intruder...inside of a millionaires house, I would have taken all of their jewelry. I am sure that John and Patsy would have missed that. I mean, why not just wipe them out? Empty the contents of Patsy's jewelry box, or wherever she kept it...into a pillowcase. Why just take a bauble or two or three....IMO...a real intruder, if he had of REALLY wanted that 118,000.00, would have taken way more than JB's life.

 

[LI_Mom]

Heck, he could have taken Patsy's Miss West Virginia crown and sash, I am sure that they were worth at least, several million dollars.

OMG!!!!

If only the intruder DID.... then Patsy would have been SURE to cooperate with investigators 150%.

 

[Jane Osa]

I understand the reasoning against garrote as sex toy. However, I don't fully understand garrote as cover-up. Who thinks of a garrote, per se & why (when I first read about a garrote in this case my only association were the sacrifices of the celts, even when I read about a garrote then I wasn't sure what it was, this encyclopedia had a picuture of linlow (?) man - he was preserved because of the nature of the bogs where he was deposited and you could see the garrote & how tight it was wound, etc., there are many of these bodies and they were always garroted and bludgeoned) - why not just a cord & the only logic to use anything like this whatsoever is that there must have been some type of neck 'evidence' that they desired to obfustcate (sorry for that word - when I haven't had my coffee I can only think of words like that, anyway, on with it) - the garrote has never made sense to me. It's easy to see, say, John making it - especially the knots that were used. I just don't see Patsy whittling paintbrushes & making a garrote and knowing of the knots to do so - it's still hard for me to see anyone going to that trouble - when a simple cord is easier - especially if you're victim is unconscious, if not dead....I suppose that's why the intruder folks saw it as a means of 'control' - even though I don't think intruders did this - aside from the 'cover-up' rationale using it as a controlling device makes sense.

Why would the perpetrators want us to think she was garroted instead of strangled with someone's hands? If there were prints, assuming gloves weren't used, she could easily be washed. I'm not an expert on what evidence is left behind when someone is strangled via hands versus garrote - so, bear with me if the reasoning is obvious. Considering she was molested with a brush, bludgeoned, what difference does the means of asphyxiation make?

 

[Ames]

OMG!!!!

If only the intruder DID.... then Patsy would have been SURE to cooperate with investigators 150&#37;.

I could just see it now...after JB's body is "found"....Patsy heads upstairs.

Patsy: "OH NOOOOOO...my crown! MY SASH!!!!!! They're...they're.....MISSING!!! (Breaks down). I worked SOOOOO hard for those. And some, some intruder.....he came in and....and....and .......TOOK THEM! I FEEL SO....SO..... VIOLATED! I want this intruder caught....and punished to the fullest extent of the law..and I will do ANYTHING.....to see that it happens, including helping the police in any way that I can. Nobody...and I mean NOBODY.....comes into MY house...and takes my crown and my sash! No way, no how. He is going to pay.....PAYYYYYY, I tell you.".

 

[BBB167893]

Thanks SD, she got rave reviews!!

I hope it doesn't go to her head.

AWWWWW...I don't like my prize Johnny, can I trade it for something else?

'Fraid not.

I understand the reasoning against garrote as sex toy. However, I don't fully understand garrote as cover-up. Who thinks of a garrote, per se & why

Jane Osa, back in the Eighties, John was a sailor stationed in the Phillippines. This was during the anti-Marcos uprising, with all sorts of nasty types coming out of the woodwork. The garrote was a favorite tool of rebels and counterrevolutionaries alike.

Also the knotting in the garrote was fixed so would not allow any control over the pressure applied to the neck.

Yeah, it would be easy to draw tight, but hard to loosen.

I was going to quit annoying people with my thoughts on the JonBenet section of WS, but just have to add a few thoughts about the note and the murder.

Last I knew, txsvicki, you weren't annoying anyone.

The whole ransom note from start to finish seems to be some sort of very organized sadistic fantasy type scenario.

The note is at times reassuring then gets mean and verbally abusive decribing the punishment for deviating from instructions. The note goes into name calling and humiliation while instilling fear.

Really? The professionals said it had a caring, maternal quality to it.

There's a consistent fantasy theme throughout the note with mentions of death as punishment. The items used in the murder fit in with the note and with a sadistic fantasy.

Actually, one of the things that tipped the pros off was the disconnect between the note, which is all over the place (Islamic jihadists, far-left whacko, ransom kidnapper) and the actual killing, which was meant to suggest a pedophile killer, someone distinctly NOT professional.

The binding, the tape, garrotte, and the injuries. Even the cleaning up and placing a blanket over JonBenet seems to fit with a lunatic sadist who has gone from punishing to being kind to the victim. The note and murder together seems like someone in a fantasy acting out a dominating role.

A good idea, but I'm afraid I can't agree. The pros sure don't.