The Best Untainted Evidence-The Ransom Letter

[robotdog]

I love gingerbread men cookies. I enjoy biting the heads off first!

now, im a little skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeered :crazy:

 

[robotdog]

isnt it weird that the ramson PRACTICE note was started on page 25 of the pad..
and

25th of december..

probably nothing- i just found it kooky

 

[robotdog]

Even if Burke was the CATALYST for what started the whole staging scene, it would be logical to assume the parents sent him up to his bedroom with instructions to STAY UP THERE UNTIL WE TELL YOU TO MOVE!!!

He's have NO IDEA what they 'found' the next morning.


As far as going back to school..... kids are THE BEST liars. If a kid thinks he might get into major trouble if he talks about something... he can keep the secret forever.

if burke did have something to do with it. they probably drugged him up
after they found out what happened

 

[robotdog]

the letter writer is a fruit cake

know anyone ????

 

[robotdog]

S.B.T.C.


SAVED BEFORE THE CRIME

patsy was saved....

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz it wouldnt surprise me


people cant save themselves but some think they can - i guess

what is the matter with these fruitcakes

 

[robotdog]

i got nothing against religion


but some people would say you can kill your kid, ask for forgiveness, get saved and everything is alright..


i aint buying it. but these people ( ramseys ) seem like the type that would go along with that idiocy



:furious:

 

[robotdog]

am i talking or just ranting to myself

 

[BBB167893]

No, I get you.

Do you think me foolish to forgive Patsy?

 

[robotdog]

No, I get you.

Do you think me foolish to forgive Patsy?

hi super dave

you are not foolish by any means, you put things very clearly when you write it - which makes it easy to follow your way of thinking which is pretty much on the money in my opinion.

i cant answer it, i think people can be forgiven, certainly but i think they need to ask for it, and then they have to change their ways.


but, i dont know cause i dont understand the whole thing by any means

its ok with me if you forgive her, cause im sure you have thought long and hard about it and can give good reasons to forgive her.


its a tough one for lots of folks. but for dogs and robots they just cant get past it, but then again its not up to me to forgive her...

im just ranting away..tonight

:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

 

[BBB167893]

hi super dave

you are not foolish by any means, you put things very clearly when you write it - which makes it easy to follow your way of thinking which is pretty much on the money in my opinion.

I'm much obliged to you

i cant answer it, i think people can be forgiven, certainly but i think they need to ask for it, and then they have to change their ways.

Well, that's up to the gods, not me.

its ok with me if you forgive her, cause im sure you have thought long and hard about it and can give good reasons to forgive her.

It's selfish reasons, I guess. I just don't want to waste my life in hatred. That, and if someone who does this can be forgiven, there's hope for all of us. It makes me feel good to think that.

im just ranting away..tonight

:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

Crazy is a matter of opinion.

 

[robotdog]

I'm much obliged to you



Well, that's up to the gods, not me.

YEP

It's selfish reasons, I guess. I just don't want to waste my life in hatred. That, and if someone who does this can be forgiven, there's hope for all of us. It makes me feel good to think that.

I hear ya


Crazy is a matter of opinion.

LOL i have been called a crazy robot before

 

[BBB167893]

That's your business.

 

[KoldKase]

WB KoldKase, please post your avatar with the Size 12 Bloomies for all to see!

Thanks for the welcome. I'm not sure how to bring that avatar here. Any ideas?

 

[KoldKase]

KoldKase, my old friend!

Everyone please give a warm welcome.

Oh, thanks so much, SuperDave. :blowkiss:

Now remind me...who are you? :waitasec:

(hahaha Just kidding.)

Now, which way to the parking lot...? I spent a lot of time there...fond memories.... :behindbar

 

[KoldKase]

KoldKase,

Dr. Wecht's theory, may be alike Steve Thomas' Toilet Rage theory, a crowd pleasing, book filler?

Auto Erotic asphyxiation deaths are normally solo events, accidents caused by the individual placing pleasure above common sense resulting in the person hanging themselves.

JonBenet at six-years old would be unlikely to be pursuing such ends. Also the knotting in the garrote was fixed so would not allow any control over the pressure applied to the neck.


IMO the garrote is simply staging as are JonBenet's clothes and placement into the wine-cellar. JonBenet's sexual assault and consequent bleeding was cleaned up and hidden from view, prior to her being placed into the wine-cellar. Not something an intruder or intruder defined staging requires as part of the game plan? Nearly everything found in the wine-cellar relating to JonBenet's death generates external parallel accounts e.g. Patsy redressing a sleeping JonBenet in the longjohns, she has to be sleeping else she would demand her pajamas?

But what of the size-12's why no premediated account for those, because its likely that it was John who redressed JonBenet in both the size-12's and the longjohns. How so, because when Patsy was asked to account for the size-12's she lied, and lied e.g. agreeing that any pack of size-12's purchased in NY should still be in the house, but the BPD had just searched the house from top to bottom, then she was told no size-12's were discovered in JonBenet's Panty Drawer. Recognizing how that might look in the witness box, a pack of Bloomingdales size-12's were miraculously discovered in some unspecified packing crate.

Looks to me like as per JonBenet's chronic and acute molestation injuries, she complained when the secret santa paid a visit, and he probably aroused and impatient whacked JonBenet, she screamed and he retaliated by throttling her, later she was garroted to obsfucate the marks on her neck.

JonBenet's homicide is nearly all staging, possibly even her acute sexual assault, masking any recent molestation, her head injury may even be staging, an attempt to offer a cause of death, with this not visible, the garrote is added, apparently by Patsy?


.

I didn't say I agree with Wecht. Also, he said it was "erotic" asphyxiaion, not autoerotic.

I agree that much was staging, but as the strangulation devices worked, that was not staging alone.

I also agree the size 12-14 Bloomies "disappearing package" is, like the blank cell phone record, terribly incriminating.

But I disagree that she was strangled twice. I don't think the evidence fron autopsy supports that. JMO

 

[KoldKase]

welcome,Koldkase!
The only question I have about that is,the garrote wasn't said to be functional as one.It was said to be made on her.
I'm just wondering if Wecht had access to all the evidence.It doesn't sound like that was the case at the time.
Does he mention any of Patsy's evidence at all,esp. her fibers? thanks.

Thanks for the welcome, JMO.

The garrote, in my opinion, didn't work as a true auto/erotic asphyxiation device, but the knot visible on the wrist cord is a working knot that slides and grabs under pressure. Without seeing the knot of the garrote in detail, I can only say try making the knot you can clearly see on the wrist cord with the loop around your leg; pull it; be ready to cut it off, because it will grab and hold tight.

I have no way of knowing what was in the mind of the killer who tied that on her neck and pulled the handle, but it did strangle her to death. It was tied on her, as her hair can be seen tied into it at the back of her neck.

No, Wecht didn't have all the evidence. He had what his connections in a field in which he has considerable power and influence got him access to, as a medical examiner of renown. The autopsy was made public after about six months, though, and reading the autopsy was easy for him and he understood what all the injuries were and what they meant from a lifetime of dissecting bodies of murder victims. Wecht's book was one of the first, if not the first, released on the case. His co-author did a lot of the legwork for the backstory and research, as well.

I honestly can't remember if Wecht talked about Patsy's fibers. I'll have to refresh my memory for that question. But my paperback of his book has a copyright date of July, 1998. He couldn't have had nearly what we have today.

 

[BBB167893]

Oh, thanks so much, SuperDave. :blowkiss:

Now remind me...who are you? :waitasec:

(hahaha Just kidding.)

Now, which way to the parking lot...? I spent a lot of time there...fond memories.... :behindbar

The cat's out of the bag, KK. Everyone knows ayway!

Parking lot? Out and down my friend.

 

[Grainne Dhu]

i cant answer it, i think people can be forgiven, certainly but i think they need to ask for it, and then they have to change their ways.

For personal reasons, I've spent a lot of time thinking about forgiveness. I've come to the opposite conclusion: the offending person need not ask for it and forgiveness for an act in the past cannot be contingent upon future actions by the offender.

I use the definition of forgiveness that says it is the process of forgoing resentment, indignation or anger for an act that offends against me. In that sense, forgiveness is for my own benefit rather than the person I am forgiving.

 

[UKGuy]

I didn't say I agree with Wecht. Also, he said it was "erotic" asphyxiaion, not autoerotic.

I agree that much was staging, but as the strangulation devices worked, that was not staging alone.

I also agree the size 12-14 Bloomies "disappearing package" is, like the blank cell phone record, terribly incriminating.

But I disagree that she was strangled twice. I don't think the evidence fron autopsy supports that. JMO

KoldKase,

I didn't say I agree with Wecht. Also, he said it was "erotic" asphyxiaion, not autoerotic.

Sure, but most of the same conditions that apply to Auto Erotic Asphyxiation apply to Erotic Asphyxiation, the main difference being the latter has another person increasing or decreasing the pressure via the rod, in this case the broken paintbrush.

Do you think Wecht considers Patsy to be JonBenet's AE Assistant, as her fibers were discovered embedded into the knotting, along with the same fibers found on the underside of the duct-tape?

JonBenet's hair had to be cut to release the paintbrush handle, as her hair was embedded into the garrote knotting e.g.

Inspection of the knotting should reveal that it is fixed and unyielding e.g. totally unsuited to Erotic Asphyxiation, furthermore as JonBenet's hair had to be cut, any torsion or turning effect due to the broken piece of paintbrush being used as an Erotic Asphyxiation device would have ripped JonBenet's hair out by the roots, causing severe pain, presumably contradicting the AE intention?

Another view of the garrote showing both ends of JonBenet's hair in plain view:

Presumably all the above forensic evidence was available to Wecht? If so I find his conclusions regarding Erotic Asphyxiation as inconsistent with the then evidence. Alike Lou Smit, any absence of consequent revision in line with new evidence, makes their initial positions tenuous?

I agree that much was staging, but as the strangulation devices worked, that was not staging alone.

There was more than one? To finally kill JonBenet all that was required was a hand or pillow over her mouth or plastic bag over head, to construct and apply the garrote is premeditated and intentional, this suggests its primary purpose is for visual effect, not asphyxiation.

But I disagree that she was strangled twice. I don't think the evidence fron autopsy supports that. JMO

It certainly does not contradict it. Coroner Myer does not state that JonBenet's death was as the result of asphyxiation by ligature alone e.g.

CLINICOPATHLOGIC CORRELATION: Cause of death of this six year old
female is asphyxia by strangulation associated with craniocerebral
trauma.

His opinion does not rule out strangulation occurring both manually and by garrote, as asphyxia by strangulation is normally shorthand for manual strangulation.

If you inspect the following photo you can see, with a bias towards JonBenet's right side, the knotting, entwined hair and necklace. Note the upper circumferential liagture and associated abrasions, petechiae etc, and that of the lower abrasions.

If you then consider this rear photo of her neck:

Here the ligature furrow caused by the garrote is plainly visible, whilst that of the lower abrasions on the front of her neck, have no corresponding continuing furrow. How so? I would contend this is because there were two strangulation incidents, one manual caused by fabric, e.g. JonBenet's shirt collar etc, and a second intended as staging, her actual expiration at this point may have been a secondary consideration, since patently the garrote cannot function as advertised.

For contrast here is the photo showing the knotting on JonBenet's wrist-restraint:

I reckon that nearly everything associated with JonBenet inside the wine-cellar from the blankets she was wrapped in to the white gap-top is part of the staging, all necessary to conform with the story to be told that she was placed sleeping into her bed.

 

[angelwngs]

No, I get you.

Do you think me foolish to forgive Patsy?

SD, What exactly did I miss here?