The Best Untainted Evidence-The Ransom Letter

[BBB167893]

She was raised in a highly sexual environment. It wouldn't be a shock if she had been sexually abused by family and/or strangers for years. If memory served me correctly, she used to take her clothes off in front of strangers and ask, "Am I sexy?"

Not normal behavior for a six year old. She was definitely abused.

Like I said, you and my brother would get on famously.

 

[BBB167893]

robotdog-

The white feathered Vegas looking costume received 'gasps' from the audience when JBR appeared on stage.

From that point on JBR's costumes were reportedly 'toned down' to become 'more acceptable'.

Isn't it interesting how Patsy was photographed in almost the exact kind of costume 20 years earlier?

 

[angelwngs]

Isn't it interesting how Patsy was photographed in almost the exact kind of costume 20 years earlier?

So interesting it makes me want to hurl.............. You too??

 

[angelwngs]

SD, The chain goes unbroken...

Nedra, who seemed to be the driving force behind Pam and Patsy's pagent participation, is characterized as a domineering mother. The daughter's followed their mother's wishes.

Also, it has been reported that if one was to remain a friend of PR's they had to accept the total package deal which included her mother, Nedra. If they chose not to accept Nedra as part of the packaged friendship they were dropped like a hot potato.

When Nedra moved in with Patsy during her bout with cancer it was said to have been for the purpose of caring for Patsy...

This picture becomes more clear...by the minute.

 

[BBB167893]

So interesting it makes me want to hurl.............. You too??

You got it.

 

[BBB167893]

SD, The chain goes unbroken...

Nedra, who seemed to be the driving force behind Pam and Patsy's pagent participation, is characterized as a domineering mother. The daughter's followed their mother's wishes.

Also, it has been reported that if one was to remain a friend of PR's they had to accept the total package deal which included her mother, Nedra. If they chose not to accept Nedra as part of the packaged friendship they were dropped like a hot potato.

When Nedra moved in with Patsy during her bout with cancer it was said to have been for the purpose of caring for Patsy...

This picture becomes more clear...by the minute.

I hold Nedra to blame for everything in this.

 

[robotdog]

TT: Do you remember back in ’94, typical doctor’s visit, you fill out all those forms, making some sort of a notation, on one of Dr. Beuf’s forms about bed-wetting and soiling. That was kind of a concern, you remember anything?

PR: No, before was when I was having chemotherapy. I don’t remember. Susanne took them to the doctor a lot then. My housekeeper, a nanny sort of. I don’t remember. I mean if…

TT: Do you recall filling out these so-called, yes/no question type forms back then?

PR: If I saw it I might remember it.

TT: OK. Anyone that you can recall that would show any inappropriate affection towards JonBenet? Anybody out in the pageant circuit, friends, neighbors, anybody like that?

PR: No.

WOW, all of a sudden a "NO" from patsy not a um hum, or a i dont remember or a not that i remember

but a FLAT OUT "NO"

a little quick with the no.. patsy :furious:

 

[robotdog]

seems as though burke had quite the golf swing, he hit her in the head and the LEG


TT: Was she hospitalized any at all?

PR: No.

TT: Just a quick trip to the office and that was it?

PR: Yeah.

TT: Okay. What about any injuries, any major injuries, any major injuries to JonBenet?

PR: She, Burke hit her in the face with a gulf club one time, and the leg…

TT: Ay stitches or anything like that?

 

[Buckethead]

TT: Do you remember back in ’94, typical doctor’s visit, you fill out all those forms, making some sort of a notation, on one of Dr. Beuf’s forms about bed-wetting and soiling. That was kind of a concern, you remember anything?

PR: No, before was when I was having chemotherapy. I don’t remember. Susanne took them to the doctor a lot then. My housekeeper, a nanny sort of. I don’t remember. I mean if…

TT: Do you recall filling out these so-called, yes/no question type forms back then?

PR: If I saw it I might remember it.

TT: OK. Anyone that you can recall that would show any inappropriate affection towards JonBenet? Anybody out in the pageant circuit, friends, neighbors, anybody like that?

PR: No.

WOW, all of a sudden a "NO" from patsy not a um hum, or a i dont remember or a not that i remember

but a FLAT OUT "NO"

a little quick with the no.. patsy :furious:

Yeah, is definitely interesting she delivers an immediate "no" to such a question. Doesn't prove or disprove anything, but considering how her memory was a bit fuzzy at the time, she rarely handed out yes or no answers.

Have a link for the rest of that interview?

seems as though burke had quite the golf swing, he hit her in the head and the LEG


TT: Was she hospitalized any at all?

PR: No.

TT: Just a quick trip to the office and that was it?

PR: Yeah.

TT: Okay. What about any injuries, any major injuries, any major injuries to JonBenet?

PR: She, Burke hit her in the face with a gulf club one time, and the leg…

TT: Ay stitches or anything like that?

I always thought he should be interviewed again. Not that he did it(although I'm sure someone could create a scenario), but he could have minor information that could steer the investigation in the right direction.

 

[coloradokares]

Yeah, is definitely interesting she delivers an immediate "no" to such a question. Doesn't prove or disprove anything, but considering how her memory was a bit fuzzy at the time, she rarely handed out yes or no answers.

Have a link for the rest of that interview?

I always thought he should be interviewed again. Not that he did it(although I'm sure someone could create a scenario), but he could have minor information that could steer the investigation in the right direction.

JonBenet had to see a Plastic Surg. for the split in the soft tissue of her face. Not split as in stitches but separation of soft tissue and musculature. What is interesting to note, Why did Patsy lie about Burkes age indicating he was a small child (toddler at the time. Also I think had Patsy called for an ambulance instead of utilizing the accident excuse once again there would have been the inevitable questioning and suspicion of child abuse - neglect- and a parent cannot allow a child to exhibit a clear danger to a sibling etc that is all within guidlines. You may not be scutinized over one incident but two.... It is Law they must report any incident. And this was an injury resulting in death Therefore the War and Peace of all ransom notes and SFF. And since the Ramseys could not be forced to testify against each other..... They were seemingly home free. As for the Touch DNA I fail to be impressed. Give me the SFF or Proof till then there is must too much doubt/ Reasonable doubt that would fall like a house of cards if the garrote and the tape and everything received the same scruitiny regarding Touch Dna.

 

[angelwngs]

In Boulder, the babysitting duties often fell to Don Paugh...

When were exactly JBR's yeast infections and what exactly was Papa Paugh's babysitting schedule around this time?

 

[angelwngs]

“Well there was a couple of areas I there was some misunderstanding or... wasn’t correct...I did not check every door in the house the night before. I don’t think – checked any door.
I think we were tired and we were gonna go to bed, get up early... and I think the other part I noticed in there was they said... read to both kids before went to bed and that... did not happen. I mean, what happened was the kids went to bed and then I read.” John denied
statements Det. Arndt and others made claim to concerning his leaving the house the morning of December 26. “No. I didn’t leave the house until we left it for good.”

It is amazing how a person can say one thing and then totally change what they said which is on record and then deny actual events recorded by multiple witnesses and still expect to be viewed as honest and credible.

 

[Mysterylover]

Exactly! Very chatty type of conversation going on in this long rant.

Oh and sorry if I made you ruin your PC screen. lol

On a serious note though..... IF I found out that Patsy bought an expensive attache case for John... I'd be even more convinced that she subconsciously didn't want him to part with it & thus mentioned the paper bag.

Oh and we might want to tie the paper bag in the RN to the paper bag w/ clothes in the hallway

AND to the paper bag on John Andrew's bed that contained rope.... another "mystery" since Patsy says she never saw it before.....

Just because P. never saw it, doesn't mean someone other than her, in that house didn't have it in the bedroom for a 'reason'.

WHY would someone have ROPE in their bedroom?

rope inside a paper bag sitting on their bed and NO one knows anything about it? Hmmmmm! how could LE believe that one?....jmo

 

[Mysterylover]

I do not know the true story behind the Ramses' missing phone records. None of us know.
We can speculate, though.

I believe they have never been seen for some very important reasons, the

first is related to the ransom letter itself......
Maria....

The TIME the calls were made would definitely show IF people were AWAKE

at certain times during that night, and early morning, thus pointing the

finger at someone in that house....and leaving NO time for a kidnapper to be

hanging around the bedrooms, bathrooms, kitchen and 'hard to find' room in the

basement...imo

I'm guessing the trunks of the R's cars were NOT searched that day....good place to hide cell phones would be in the tire-well...until they could be taken far away, by car or plane and thrown in the trash ....imo

let's not forget the neighbors heard a scream that night...did anyone ever hear what time the neighbors heard the scream?....

 

[Chrishope]

I think the scream was around midnight - but my memory might be faulty.

How did they get the phone records to disappear?

 

[angelwngs]

from Forums for Justice website:

"MELODY STANTON STATEMENT

Melody Stanton was interviewed by Det. Barry Hartkopp on January 3. Stanton lives across the street and one house to the south of the Ramseys. Her bedroom is on the second floor of the west side of the house which faces the Ramsey home. On Christmas night she had gone to bed at approximately 10:00 p.m. Stanton always sleeps with her window slightly open, and on that night she had opened it 6-8 inches. She related that she had fallen asleep shortly after she went to bed, but was awakened by “one loud, incredible scream”. She related that it was “obviously from a child” and that it lasted 3 to 5 seconds and then abruptly stopped. It appeared that the sound came from across the street, south of the Ramsey residence. She did not look at the clock, but estimated the time at somewhere between 12:00 a.m. and 2:00 a.m. She stayed awake and listened for any other noises for five to ten minutes, but heard absolutely nothing after that no cars, no voices, no footsteps, so she eventually went back to sleep."

 

[Mysterylover]

I think the scream was around midnight - but my memory might be faulty.

How did they get the phone records to disappear?...

It's only a guess on my part,
J. owned a large computer company, we know he knew a lot of powerful people, company owners, CEO's and computer experts, as well as employee's and LE......

with enough big money, power and connections there is no limit to what can be made to disappear....Why would cell phones disappear IF you are innocent?....imo

 

[JMO8778]

from Forums for Justice website:

"MELODY STANTON STATEMENT

Melody Stanton was interviewed by Det. Barry Hartkopp on January 3. Stanton lives across the street and one house to the south of the Ramseys. Her bedroom is on the second floor of the west side of the house which faces the Ramsey home. On Christmas night she had gone to bed at approximately 10:00 p.m. Stanton always sleeps with her window slightly open, and on that night she had opened it 6-8 inches. She related that she had fallen asleep shortly after she went to bed, but was awakened by “one loud, incredible scream”. She related that it was “obviously from a child” and that it lasted 3 to 5 seconds and then abruptly stopped. It appeared that the sound came from across the street, south of the Ramsey residence. She did not look at the clock, but estimated the time at somewhere between 12:00 a.m. and 2:00 a.m. She stayed awake and listened for any other noises for five to ten minutes, but heard absolutely nothing after that no cars, no voices, no footsteps, so she eventually went back to sleep."

she later retracted that statement,as did Barnhill,who said he'd seen JAR walking across the R's lawn (no mention of where he went though).They were obviously threatened.

 

[JMO8778]

Wasn't the sack of rope in JAR's room?I recall reading there was a Christmas tree in his room w/ a cowboy theme on it.On the tree was rope used as a decoration to go w that theme.

 

[LI_Mom]

Just because P. never saw it, doesn't mean someone other than her, in that house didn't have it in the bedroom for a 'reason'.

WHY would someone have ROPE in their bedroom?

rope inside a paper bag sitting on their bed and NO one knows anything about it? Hmmmmm! how could LE believe that one?....jmo

Wasn't there was some speculation that the rope might have been for one of JB's pageant costumes.... such as a cowgirl get up???

Or rope might be used to hang pictures?

Do we know what kind of rope was in the paper bag?

Was the 'mystery' bag & rope ever tested? Touch dna, anyone.....