The Best Untainted Evidence-The Ransom Letter

[DeeDee249]

Wasn't there was some speculation that the rope might have been for one of JB's pageant costumes.... such as a cowgirl get up???

Or rope might be used to hang pictures?

Do we know what kind of rope was in the paper bag?

Was the 'mystery' bag & rope ever tested? Touch dna, anyone.....

The rope found in a brown paper bag in JAR's room was a thick, hemp rope. There is a pic of JBR in a "country" outfit wearing jeans, checked shirt and braids. Lying around her was a rope identical to that hemp rope. PR also gave an interview weeks before the murder to a local magazine that was covering the upcoming Colorado Christmas House Tour. In that interview, PR talks about having a decorated tree in nearly every room; she mentions that each family member had a tree decorated in a personal theme. She mentions JAR's tree specifically as being decorated with a "cowboy" theme, complete with tiny boots, saddles. The rope could have been used as garland on such a tree.

 

[DeeDee249]

Try this link:

http://www.acandyrose.com/jars-room-rope.gif

It shows the picture I mention, as well as a good shot of the rope taken into evidence.

 

[LinasK]

Have you(or anyone) here ever considered the real possibility that this was a kidnapping attempt gone horribly wrong? I realize the parents(and the rest of the family for that matter) are not saints, and reading the various books years ago paints a really creepy and macabre picture of them, but all these years later everyone continues harping on Patsy and all other possibilities are brushed aside.

Considering the fact that every question leads to another question regarding Patsy, anyone thought to ask different questions for once? Or does everyone like riding the merry go round too much to think outside the box?

Yeah, we have and yeah we do consider other possibilities/think outside of the box. If you bother to read the other threads in this forum, you will find out that there was zero evidence of an intruder- necessary for your kidnapping theory, and every bit of evidence pointing towards Patsy being involved in at least writing the note and covering up the murder, even if it was another Ramsey who killed JB.

 

[LinasK]

I believe the experts who found chronic sexual abuse of JB upon autopsy.And I believe the experts,like Holly Smith,who say JB displayed the signs and symptoms of sexual abuse.
So I don't think someone didn't want them going on the trip..it was not an important trip.As far as it being the night before,in the molester's mind,it could have been seen as the last chance to be alone w/ JB for awhile.
I have to wonder why they didn't just have the older kids come to their house in CO.Seems it would have been easier..but someone(s) didn't want it that way.

I'd vote for dysfunctional relationship w family member;chronic abuse is not done by intruders.
I do think LE and others have considered JR to be the perp,and perhaps they have more evidence on him than they can reveal at this time.

I also agree. I think John is the actual killer, although Patsy wrote the note and helped with the cover-up.

 

[BBB167893]

Nice to see you.

 

[LinasK]

Nice to see you.

Thanks:blowkiss:, can't stay long, exhausting weekend!

 

[BBB167893]

Thanks:blowkiss:, can't stay long, exhausting weekend!

I get you.

 

[angelwngs]

In a moment of clarity, it just hit me. There HAD to be a ransom note!

There were fibers inside the suitcase which matched the fibers found on JB, suggesting that she came into contact with the inside of the suitcase and its contents. Obviously, the original thought was to remove her from the scene. When this was ruled out as a possibility, only a ransom note would cast blame away from the people inside the house.

Without a ransom note, a call to 911 saying your child is missing, which results in your child being found in the basement of your own home can only cast blame squarely on you.

The matching fibers inside the suitcase are the KEY! The ransom note had to have been written AFTER it was decided not to take JB out of the house!

The discovery of the fibers in the suitcase determine when the ransom note was written and why. And it most likely determines the sequence of events leading up to when JB was actually killed with the garrote.

(Geezus, sometimes it just takes me a bit longer than you guys to see things clearly...:bang

Oh my... A kidnapper would have simply use a blanket or a sleeping bag to wrap around JB and walk out the butler pantry door? But a parent going on a trip out of state the next morning would logically first think of what to use in order to NOT look suspicious...a suitcase...???...

 

[Ames]

In a moment of clarity, it just hit me. There HAD to be a ransom note!

There were fibers inside the suitcase which matched the fibers found on JB, suggesting that she came into contact with the inside of the suitcase and its contents. Obviously, the original thought was to remove her from the scene. When this was ruled out as a possibility, only a ransom note would cast blame away from the people inside the house.

Without a ransom note, a call to 911 saying your child is missing, which results in your child being found in the basement of your own home can only cast blame squarely on you.

The matching fibers inside the suitcase are the KEY! The ransom note had to have been written AFTER it was decided not to take JB out of the house!

The discovery of the fibers in the suitcase determine when the ransom note was written and why. And it most likely determines the sequence of events leading up to when JB was actually killed with the garrote.

(Geezus, sometimes it just takes me a bit longer than you guys to see things clearly...:bang

Oh my... A kidnapper would have simply use a blanket or a sleeping bag to wrap around JB and walk out the butler pantry door? But a parent going on a trip out of state the next morning would logically first think of what to use in order to NOT look suspicious...a suitcase...???...

Right, I said the same thing in my first days of posting here. Some posters argue that the suitcase wouldn't have been big enough for her to have fit...BUT WHAT IF, they tried it first, then realized that it wouldn't close, and nixed the idea? I TOO, believe that their plan A was to put the body in the suitcase, and dispose of it somewhere out of state. I don't know what they would have told Burke though. That could have been yet another reason, that they took her from the suitcase. Number 1...she wouldn't fit, number 2....didn't know how to explain JB's absence to Burke. That would have been a toughy. (Of course, he MAY know more than we think he does).

 

[angelwngs]

Right, I said the same thing in my first days of posting here. Some posters argue that the suitcase wouldn't have been big enough for her to have fit...BUT WHAT IF, they tried it first, then realized that it wouldn't close, and nixed the idea? I TOO, believe that their plan A was to put the body in the suitcase, and dispose of it somewhere out of state. I don't know what they would have told Burke though. That could have been yet another reason, that they took her from the suitcase. Number 1...she wouldn't fit, number 2....didn't know how to explain JB's absence to Burke. That would have been a toughy. (Of course, he MAY know more than we think he does).

Without question...

 

[Ames]

Without question...

I like to believe that he was oblivious to the situation, but the more that I think about it, he HAD to have heard that scream and all of that commotion. I do NOT believe it was JB's scream, I think that it was Patsy's after realizing what she had done.

 

[angelwngs]

I like to believe that he was oblivious to the situation, but the more that I think about it, he HAD to have heard that scream and all of that commotion. I do NOT believe it was JB's scream, I think that it was Patsy's after realizing what she had done.[/quote]

Humm.... or when she saw what she was not suppose to see which caused the entire thing to happen...

 

[Ames]

I like to believe that he was oblivious to the situation, but the more that I think about it, he HAD to have heard that scream and all of that commotion. I do NOT believe it was JB's scream, I think that it was Patsy's after realizing what she had done.[/quote]

Humm.... or when she saw what she was not suppose to see which caused the entire thing to happen...

If you are saying that she may have caught John with JonBenet....I just don't know about that. I have always had a problem with believing that John was molesting JB. I could be wrong though...goodness knows it sure wouldn't be the first time. I think that her grand PAUGH was doing it though, and I also believe that he molested Pam and Patsy. JMHO

 

[angelwngs]

If you are saying that she may have caught John with JonBenet....I just don't know about that. I have always had a problem with believing that John was molesting JB. I could be wrong though...goodness knows it sure wouldn't be the first time. I think that her grand PAUGH was doing it though, and I also believe that he molested Pam and Patsy. JMHO

I'm with you... I have always had a hard time with that. Today, I am a little more accepting of the possibility, but I'm not riding in the same car with others who are committed to the idea.

On the Papa Paugh issue... His leaving 'early' to return to Atlanta and the very strange non-existant presence of Aunt Polly in this entire case causes me to really suspect something... I just can't put my finger on exactly what yet... But my gut says that SOMETHING is NOT RIGHT there...

 

[Ames]

I'm with you... I have always had a hard time with that. Today, I am a little more accepting of the possibility, but I'm not riding in the same car with others who are committed to the idea.

On the Papa Paugh issue... His leaving 'early' to return to Atlanta and the very strange non-existant presence of Aunt Polly in this entire case causes me to really suspect something... I just can't put my finger on exactly what yet... But my gut says that SOETHING is NOT RIGHT there...

Yes, something is definately "rotten in Denmark"...or Boulder, rather.

 

[BBB167893]

And it's stinking up the country as a whole.

 

[Ames]

And it's stinking up the country as a whole.

Yes, it is...!

 

[JMO8778]

In a moment of clarity, it just hit me. There HAD to be a ransom note!

There were fibers inside the suitcase which matched the fibers found on JB, suggesting that she came into contact with the inside of the suitcase and its contents. Obviously, the original thought was to remove her from the scene. When this was ruled out as a possibility, only a ransom note would cast blame away from the people inside the house.

Without a ransom note, a call to 911 saying your child is missing, which results in your child being found in the basement of your own home can only cast blame squarely on you.

The matching fibers inside the suitcase are the KEY! The ransom note had to have been written AFTER it was decided not to take JB out of the house!

The discovery of the fibers in the suitcase determine when the ransom note was written and why. And it most likely determines the sequence of events leading up to when JB was actually killed with the garrote.

(Geezus, sometimes it just takes me a bit longer than you guys to see things clearly...:bang

Oh my... A kidnapper would have simply use a blanket or a sleeping bag to wrap around JB and walk out the butler pantry door? But a parent going on a trip out of state the next morning would logically first think of what to use in order to NOT look suspicious...a suitcase...???...

good point,I hadn't thought about the suitcase,other than the contents and thinking JAR was likely molesting JB.(you're not taking longer,believe me!).that makes me wonder if perhaps they had even thought of putting her on the plane?perhaps that's why JR was trying to account for his prints on the walk-in fridge? ..to keep her body cool until later?
but I also think that may account for the 'denied her remains' line in the RN..she was going to be taken out of the house,that didn't work,so...on to plan B...but leave the note as it is,perhaps there was no time left to write a new one.
if someone had seen JR putting a suitcase in the car or on the plane that morning,it would have been no big deal,right? you need luggage to travel,and then so Patsy's remark that JR liked to fly with bags and not luggage,b/c it takes up less space,makes sense.

 

[JMO8778]

..one thing that makes me think JB as being molested by JR (in addition to the other signs and symptoms) is that although Thomas basically gave him a pass on that,he STILL denies Patsy was doing any sort of corporal cleaning on her..how easy would it be to say the chronic abuse came from that,but he didn't know she was doing it? yet the RST would rather twist that than assume any responsibility for it,even though Patsy is gone now?

 

[Ames]

good point,I hadn't thought about the suitcase,other than the contents and thinking JAR was likely molesting JB.(you're not taking longer,believe me!).that makes me wonder if perhaps they had even thought of putting her on the plane?perhaps that's why JR was trying to account for his prints on the walk-in fridge? ..to keep her body cool until later?
but I also think that may account for the 'denied her remains' line in the RN..she was going to be taken out of the house,that didn't work,so...on to plan B...but leave the note as it is,perhaps there was no time left to write a new one.
if someone had seen JR putting a suitcase in the car or on the plane that morning,it would have been no big deal,right? you need luggage to travel,and then so Patsy's remark that JR liked to fly with bags and not luggage,b/c it takes up less space,makes sense.

I often wondered if he had plan to dispose of that suitcase, somewhere IN Lake Michigan.