The Blood Droplets

[deanws]

I guess the point is not worth arguing. I just don[t understand how someone would feel dizzy before their body reacted to the injury...or in this case the blood loss. But I am not a medical expert so time to move on.

Well, here is a link where you can learn.



Bleeding: Symptoms & Signs

• Blood coming from an open wound
• Bruising
• Shock
• Paleness
• Clammy skin
• Dizziness or light-headedness after an injury
• Rapid pulse, increased heart rate
• Low blood pressure
• Shortness of breath
• Confusion or decreasing alertness
• Weakness

http://health.allrefer.com/health/bleeding-symptoms.html

 

[Goody]

Well, here is a link where you can learn.



Bleeding: Symptoms & Signs

• Blood coming from an open wound
• Bruising
• Shock
• Paleness
• Clammy skin
• Dizziness or light-headedness after an injury
• Rapid pulse, increased heart rate
• Low blood pressure
• Shortness of breath
• Confusion or decreasing alertness
• Weakness

http://health.allrefer.com/health/bleeding-symptoms.html

"Lightheadedness happens when there is not enough blood getting to the brain. This can happen if there is a sudden drop in your blood pressure or if you are dehydrated from vomiting, diarrhea, fever, or other causes."

But...but....but Darlie's blood pressure was normal in the ambulance. How do you explain that? If dizziness occurs because of a drop in blood pressure, how can you be dizzy and still have a normal BP reading?

 

[Goody]

Right now I am dizzy from yawning so I am going to bed. See ya in a day or two.

 

[deanws]

"Lightheadedness happens when there is not enough blood getting to the brain. This can happen if there is a sudden drop in your blood pressure or if you are dehydrated from vomiting, diarrhea, fever, or other causes."

But...but....but Darlie's blood pressure was normal in the ambulance. How do you explain that? If dizziness occurs because of a drop in blood pressure, how can you be dizzy and still have a normal BP reading?

Think about it Goody. If her neck was bleeding...don't you think that perhaps there was not enough blood reaching her brain?

 

[deanws]

beesy,...do you think she was afraid to get near him because she was scared he would give her away by being afraid of her? Or worse yet, tell everyone that she did it? I know he couldn't talk, but maybe she didn't realize that. ..

What do you think beesy?

 

[beesy]

beesy,...do you think she was afraid to get near him because she was scared he would give her away by being afraid of her? Or worse yet, tell everyone that she did it? I know he couldn't talk, but maybe she didn't realize that. ..

yes, both. He could have jerked away from her or looked scared, don't you think?

 

[deanws]

yes, both. He could have jerked away from her or looked scared, don't you think?

Well I would! LOL... Someone posted a joke one time about the Routier boy's hauling azz when they excuted Darlie if she was forgiven and walked though the gates of heaven. :laugh: :laugh:

 

[beesy]

Think about it Goody. If her neck was bleeding...don't you think that perhaps there was not enough blood reaching her brain?

Yeah, I'd think anybody else would be dizzy, but Darlie is wired differently
According to Kochack, she demonstrated no symptoms of any type of shock. I posted more of his testimony on another thread, link at the bottom of this page. I guess it's ok to post that much.
What type of shock is
23 neurogenic shock?
24 A. The central nervous system of the body
25 is not performing correctly, therefore dilating blood
1 vessels and arteries and inadequate blood profusion to
2 the brain and heart occurs.
3 Q. And what kind of symptoms will you see
4 for that kind of shock?
5 A. The same symptoms of almost all types
6 of shock, with the exception of septic, are pale skin
7 color, disorientation, sometimes fainting, sometimes
8 combative, decreasing blood pressure, falling decreasing
9 blood pressure, things of that nature.
10 Q. Were you seeing any of those items in
11 Mrs. Routier while you were out on the front porch with
12 her?
13 A. No, sir.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36419&page=3

 

[beesy]

Well I would! LOL... Someone posted a joke one time about the Routier boy's hauling azz when they excuted Darlie if she was forgiven and walked though the gates of heaven. :laugh: :laugh:

Yeah, ha ha that was Mary! Funny Girl

 

[deanws]

Yeah, I'd think anybody else would be dizzy, but Darlie is wired differently
According to Kochack, she demonstrated no symptoms of any type of shock. I posted more of his testimony on another thread, link at the bottom of this page. I guess it's ok to post that much.
What type of shock is
23 neurogenic shock?
24 A. The central nervous system of the body
25 is not performing correctly, therefore dilating blood
1 vessels and arteries and inadequate blood profusion to
2 the brain and heart occurs.
3 Q. And what kind of symptoms will you see
4 for that kind of shock?
5 A. The same symptoms of almost all types
6 of shock, with the exception of septic, are pale skin
7 color, disorientation, sometimes fainting, sometimes
8 combative, decreasing blood pressure, falling decreasing
9 blood pressure, things of that nature.
10 Q. Were you seeing any of those items in
11 Mrs. Routier while you were out on the front porch with
12 her?
13 A. No, sir.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36419&page=3

I had a hemorage one time and blood was gushing. I heard this loud whistle sound in my ears and everything was spinning. I don't think I bled near as much as what that shirt looked like. I felt hot, cold, sick to my stomach and the world was spinning ...all at the same time! :chicken:

 

[deanws]

Yeah, ha ha that was Mary! Funny Girl

Yeah...I love it!

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

"Lightheadedness happens when there is not enough blood getting to the brain. This can happen if there is a sudden drop in your blood pressure or if you are dehydrated from vomiting, diarrhea, fever, or other causes."

But...but....but Darlie's blood pressure was normal in the ambulance. How do you explain that? If dizziness occurs because of a drop in blood pressure, how can you be dizzy and still have a normal BP reading?

Sitting down helped to get her back to close range BP. She didn't have to pump blood as high an elevation the the heart as standing. That's why you put your head between your legs when feeling faint. The sight of all the blood would have made me get sick or even dizzy too. My uncle would have been passed out cold soon as he saw the blood.
I don't know about you but seeing my children with stab wounds to the chest and back would make me not act very normally. Can't really say what I'd do cause I have never been thru it. Can only imagine, and of course we are all perfect sighted when it comes to someone's else's tragedy.

 

[beesy]

Sitting down helped to get her back to close range BP. She didn't have to pump blood as high an elevation the the heart as standing. That's why you put your head between your legs when feeling faint. The sight of all the blood would have made me get sick or even dizzy too. My uncle would have been passed out cold soon as he saw the blood.
I don't know about you but seeing my children with stab wounds to the chest and back would make me not act very normally. Can't really say what I'd do cause I have never been thru it. Can only imagine, and of course we are all perfect sighted when it comes to someone's else's tragedy.

That's our whole point, Darlie did not faint at the sight of her boys and all of that blood. She didn't have to put her head down on her knees. I am not so cocky as to say I know how she should have acted. The medics expected it. Not me, they did. When my son died I couldn't remember anybody's phone number. I couldn't remember my brother-in-law's first name so I could call 411. I called my friend's phone number she'd had about 15 years ago. Darlie was alert and oriented. By the way, I now have a cell phone with every single person I've ever known it in!
The medic examined her before she sat down on the front porch. She was standing by Waddell for several minutes. Sitting down for a few seconds is not going to return her BP to normal. He led her out of the house, sat her down on the steps and he took her BP and pulse right away, no shock. It's not spin, it's the truth. These were experienced medics who were expecting Darlie to be out of breath, dizzy, near shock and there was nothing like that. Her throat was barely bleeding. Darlie was not falling apart as you suggested. She was alert and was able to move around without aid. Darlie had nothing to do with when she left the house. Damon was dying/dead so of course he went first. Devon was dead, he didn't go. Darlie was walking around, standing, kneeling, sitting, alert, in control of herself. Darlie was fine. Wrap it in paper and put a big bow on top. No matter what you do, Darlie did it.

 

[Goody]

Think about it Goody. If her neck was bleeding...don't you think that perhaps there was not enough blood reaching her brain?

Her brain was just fine. Her body compensated for the blood loss. If she was not getting enough blood to the brain, her 02 level in the blood would drop, as would her blood pressure, and that would cause the dizziness. I don't think someone can be dizzy from blood loss and have a normal BP reading. Hence, the dizziness is probably not factual.

 

[Goody]

I had a hemorage one time and blood was gushing. I heard this loud whistle sound in my ears and everything was spinning. I don't think I bled near as much as what that shirt looked like. I felt hot, cold, sick to my stomach and the world was spinning ...all at the same time! :chicken:

And your blood pressure probably dropped. Darlie was a young, healthy woman, probably as strong as an ox. It would take a lot more than a little blood loss to send her BP on a downhill spiral. And she proved it with this case. I think her adrenlin was pumping 2/40 and that she was probably just born with a survivor's body. Shoot, it took care of itself when she needed it to. How many of us would be that sturdy? Or that lucky?

 

[Goody]

Sitting down helped to get her back to close range BP. She didn't have to pump blood as high an elevation the the heart as standing. That's why you put your head between your legs when feeling faint. The sight of all the blood would have made me get sick or even dizzy too. My uncle would have been passed out cold soon as he saw the blood.
I don't know about you but seeing my children with stab wounds to the chest and back would make me not act very normally. Can't really say what I'd do cause I have never been thru it. Can only imagine, and of course we are all perfect sighted when it comes to someone's else's tragedy.

No one knows exactly what they would do in a crisis until a crisis comes, but most of us are pretty darned predictable within certain boundaries. You can't blame everything on "Darlie acts differently than most the world." She was a sturdy young woman whose body has a strong survivor instinct. It took care of her when she needed it to. Why is that such a terrible thing that we have to pretend that everything she does that can't be lined up with a "she must be innocent" theory has to be wrong????

I don't think it matters much whether she was dizzy or not. I don't personally believe she was, but I could be wrong. But either way it proves nothing about the crime.

 

[cami]

That's our whole point, Darlie did not faint at the sight of her boys and all of that blood. She didn't have to put her head down on her knees. I am not so cocky as to say I know how she should have acted. The medics expected it. Not me, they did. When my son died I couldn't remember anybody's phone number. I couldn't remember my brother-in-law's first name so I could call 411. I called my friend's phone number she'd had about 15 years ago. Darlie was alert and oriented. By the way, I now have a cell phone with every single person I've ever known it in!
The medic examined her before she sat down on the front porch. She was standing by Waddell for several minutes. Sitting down for a few seconds is not going to return her BP to normal. He led her out of the house, sat her down on the steps and he took her BP and pulse right away, no shock. It's not spin, it's the truth. These were experienced medics who were expecting Darlie to be out of breath, dizzy, near shock and there was nothing like that. Her throat was barely bleeding. Darlie was not falling apart as you suggested. She was alert and was able to move around without aid. Darlie had nothing to do with when she left the house. Damon was dying/dead so of course he went first. Devon was dead, he didn't go. Darlie was walking around, standing, kneeling, sitting, alert, in control of herself. Darlie was fine. Wrap it in paper and put a big bow on top. No matter what you do, Darlie did it.

You only have to listen to that 911 call to ascertain that Darlie was not in shock....."someone just walked in her and did it Darin" sounds pretty normal to me. "we could have gotten the prints maybe" as well sounds pretty normal to me.....but I am not in the medical field either so I will take the word of the experienced paramedics.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I don't think the boys had "spraying" type injuries (after stabbing). They were "seeping" wounds I believe.

 

[SanQuentinvisitor]

I don't think the boys had "spraying" type injuries (after stabbing). They were "seeping" wounds I believe.

Hi Jeana.......I should've been more clear. I meant cast off from Darlie's hand/arm swinging about while maybe trying to help the boys. When I was cleaning up my dad, I was so overwhelmed and I know I was swinging my hand to wrap his arm up...hence the blood on my shoulder.

Then again, as was stated here, there were no foots steps in blood on the carpet so if she was injured when she says she was, then she would have had to help the boys after that cut on her throat and that clearly didn't happen.......so the blood from the cast off must of come before the cut on her throat. In otherwords the boys blood was underneathe Darlie's blood on her shirt.

I was just asking could that have been how Darlie got blood on her back? Just playing with info here. Coulda woulda shoulda........

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Hi Jeana.......I should've been more clear. I meant cast off from Darlie's hand/arm swinging about while maybe trying to help the boys. When I was cleaning up my dad, I was so overwhelmed and I know I was swinging my hand to wrap his arm up...hence the blood on my shoulder.

Then again, as was stated here, there were no foots steps in blood on the carpet so if she was injured when she says she was, then she would have had to help the boys after that cut on her throat and that clearly didn't happen.......so the blood from the cast off must of come before the cut on her throat. In otherwords the boys blood was underneathe Darlie's blood on her shirt.

I was just asking could that have been how Darlie got blood on her back? Just playing with info here. Coulda woulda shoulda........

ahhh!! Ok! I think they said that she was standing in the kitchen and "threw towels" to Darin while he was attempting CPR. I just don't think they ever put her near enough to claim that the drops were caused that way.