The Box From Hell (BFH) - #1

[SeekingJana]

I might add that the psychiatrist who made the diagnosis thought he might be a threat to himself, but not to others. Apparently he was able to function capably enough in his work until the last year or so of his life. Statistics on the treatment of paranoid schizophrenia were not encouraging at that time. It seemed unlikely that an involuntary commitment could have any result other than removing the one area (work) in which GW was able to function somewhat normally.

The cerebral functioning of GW is interesting to me from the perspective of all the overseas travel, as evidenced by the flight insurance policies with GB as sole beneficiary.
IF GW was even a high- functioning paranoid schizophrenic, wouldn't overseas travel have caused him enormous stress to the point of disorientation and decompensation?

Is it possible that GW was drugged, perhaps at his own hand first as a physician with easy access to drugs, then consistently by GB to cause the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia except for the times that GB needed GW to travel overseas for GB's needs and purposes?
IF GB had total mind control over one physician, who is to say that there was not another doctor also under his thumb? GB seemed to prefer certain types of people over others. Who is to say that doctors weren't high on the list of preferencces?

When GB found out that he was terminally ill, did he make plans for a replacement " handler" for GW?

Annasmom, do you think that GB brainwashed/ drugged GW into thinking that Anna was Margaret?
Do you think that by the time GB died, GW was too mentally ill to remember his daughter, Anna, or " Margaret"?

I have stayed up nights reading about your beautiful daughter. As you can see by the date, I am new to WS. Please forgive me if my questions/ concerns are obviously addressed elsewhere.

I am praying that your daughter is reunited with you soon.
Maria

 

[SherlockJr]

Hi SeekingJana, welcome to Anna's forum. Thanks for posting! You bring up some very good questions.

 

[SeekingJana]

Hi SeekingJana, welcome to Anna's forum. Thanks for posting! You bring up some very good questions.

Oh thank you so much. Wiping tears away here.. I have such deep love for those who are missing and want to help reunite families while there is time on this earth. My personal theory which guides me is that in the absence of a body, the person who is being sought with love and unfaltering care IS alive.
My prayers to Anna and her mother!
Maria

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

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Annasmom, do you think that GB brainwashed/ drugged GW into thinking that Anna was Margaret?
Do you think that by the time GB died, GW was too mentally ill to remember his daughter, Anna, or " Margaret"?

I have stayed up nights reading about your beautiful daughter. As you can see by the date, I am new to WS. Please forgive me if my questions/ concerns are obviously addressed elsewhere.

I am praying that your daughter is reunited with you soon.
Maria

Hello Seeking Jana. I have to say, this is one thing that never crossed my mind, but after reading it (and the hand writing experts analysis) it seems like a very possible theory. It seems that Brody gravatated toward people in the "medical field" that he could manipulate. Margaret was a RN, Waters a MD and Evelyn a PT. Although they could not all prescribe drugs, they probably had excess. We don't really know much about Evelyn, but Margaret and Waters where both successful at their positions until Brody stepped in and ruined their careers. (This is assumeing Brody knew MK at the time of her arrest). I've always felt Brody was behind her illegal activity as away to generate additional income for himself

I want to beleive that Waters never took part in any illegal activity, but we might never know. He could have done similar things as Kukoda, but just never got caught. Here I go rambling again.

SeekingJana, yours is an Interesting concept, somthing I'm sure I'll be thinking about..

 

[Jodibug]

SeekingJana- you have brought up an interesting new theory! New ideas are what the search needs!

 

[SherlockJr]

I have asked Annasmom to painfully go thru the hundreds of policies in the BFH and write down each date that they were purchased. I want to see if there is a pattern of when they started to when they ended. Annasmom said she will start this task after the holidays.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

I have asked Annasmom to painfully go thru the hundreds of policies in the BFH and write down each date that they were purchased.

This is a great idea since it appears that Anna's disappearance may be related to these policies. I suspect that the timeline will correspond with the time just prior to January 1973.

 

[InterestedNHelping]

Hello all,

I am finally back for a bit, I had a case that sort of 'blew wide open' and have spent endless hours on it...I am waayy behind, but did some reading, and had a question here, forgive me if this has been covered and I missed it. What was Seka's job? and are we sure that her name was Sigrid, or are we trying to match it up?
I did some research on the names you have provided thusfar, and I wanted to share that if you run ANY name through the California unclaimed property website, it often will list that person, coupled with other persons, on the site, as well as the last known address. I believe that at some point, when you have a name that matches up, you might just find their associates on policies on this site, so be sure to use it to your advantage,...here is an example for you
WANEK DORISYUBA CITY000176333WANEK FRANCIS3823 LINDEN AVE LONG BEACH CA 908073410016345763WANEK GERTRUDE22 SUNRISE HILL RD ORINDA CA012327500WANEK GERTRUDE376 DEVON DRIVE SAN RAFAEL CA012327591WANEK GERTRUDE376 DEVON DR SAN RAFAEL CA012851963WANEK JOHN408 C. DUBOCEAVE. SAN FRANCISCO CA011017471WANEK JOHN575 SUTTER ST SAN FRANCISCO CA009521268WANEK JULIE M15851 PASADENA APT #H 3 TUSTIN CA019002283WANEK KAREN R 001644259WANEK PATRICIA2841 MONTROSE AVE 13 A LA CRESCENTA 912143872013556200WANEK PATRICK1430 168TH AVE SAN LEANDRO CA005327117WANEK PATSY L2121 PLEASANT GROVE RD ENCINITAS CA 920244328016842144WANEK TRACY12256 HATTERAS ST VALLEY VLG CA 916071762011480126WANEK VICKI10200 WISH AVE NORTHRIDGE CA010159757

WANEKA M D S L UNKNOWN881 ALMA REAL DR 103 PACIFIC PALISAD CA017599302Viewing Results 1 - 15 of 15WANEKA M D S L UNKNOWN Amount: $104.65Type of Property: Insurance claims checksReported By: HEALTH NET OF CALIFORNIA, INCReported Address: 881 ALMA REAL DR 103 , PACIFIC PALISAD CA

Though it's spelling is off, those initials suggest an MD possibly, with the first initial of S.
If you can answer the question about Seka, and her job, or Sigrids job, I would appreciate it!
Glad to be back!

 

[InterestedNHelping]

Along the lines of researching the far fetched Jack Wolf name that Waters supposedly called himself, I am digging extensively just in case something makes sense. here is a very interesting note, this guy was in prison and 74 years old in 1980...named Jack WOLF...could be the real Brody, but making a link would take a while...thought you all might enjoy this...its from the federal prisons.
Reg.# age released
JACK LEE WOLF 89797-132 74 White M09-05-1980 RELEASED

 

[InterestedNHelping]

Jack wolf was also the inventor of the Bra, and self lighting cigarette, LOL

BRASSIEREin my patents list

Inventor: WOLF JACK Applicant: WOLF JACK

EC: document.write(makeEcla('')) IPC:

Publication info: CA448095 - 1948-04-27

2Brassierein my patents list

Inventor: JACK WOLF Applicant:

EC: document.write(makeEcla('A41C3/00')) A41C3/00IPC: A41C3/00; A41C3/00

Publication info: US2419514 - 1947-04-22

3Self-lighting cigarettein my patents list

Inventor: HERMON LEON; WOLF LEON JACK Applicant:

EC: document.write(makeEcla('A24D1/08')) A24D1/08IPC: A24D1/08; A24D1/00

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

...snip...Though it's spelling is off, those initials suggest an MD possibly, with the first initial of S.
If you can answer the question about Seka, and her job, or Sigrids job, I would appreciate it!
Glad to be back!

INH - Nice to see you again. I'll go ahead and try to answer this, since no one else has yet. (anyone...Please correct me if I'm wrong).

According to previous posts, Seka worked with Dr. Waters. I'm not sure if any one knows of her specific job title. Dr. Doogie had this info to share about her back in April:

I rereading the correspondence, it appears that Seka first arrived in San Francisco from Yugoslavia in 1976. Brody refers to her also by a nickname of "Little Tito". Shortly after her arrival, it appears that she began to drift away from Brody's influence, causing him to warn her about the emotional damage that would occur to her if he were to break ties with her (the ego of this man was stunning).

In August, after Sherlock posted the pages of Dr. Waters personal pocket notebook, she had come up with a hypothesis that maybe Seka was a nickname for the proper name Sigrid. The name Sigrid was written next to a reference to purchase a Ephemeris for the year of 1947. It still remains unknown if the 2 names are related...though it appears that Seka didn't enter the picture until mid to late 70's so probably not related.

Poster by Sherlock in August:

"Send for 1947 Ephemeris (Sigrid)"
(7/15/71)

Could Sigrid be a proper name for Seka or maybe her last name?
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[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Along the lines of researching the far fetched Jack Wolf name that Waters supposedly called himself, I am digging extensively just in case something makes sense. here is a very interesting note, this guy was in prison and 74 years old in 1980...named Jack WOLF...could be the real Brody, but making a link would take a while...thought you all might enjoy this...its from the federal prisons.
Reg.# age released
JACK LEE WOLF 89797-132 74 White M09-05-1980 RELEASED

Just a side note here to maybe let you broaden your search. Annasmom was not entirely sure of the spelling of Wolf. There are several spellings:
Wolf
Wolfe
Woolf
Wolff

There is a Robert (Bobby?) George Woolf b. 8-15-21 in San Fransisco, CA that really interests me. Apparently he died in OR but there are many unanswered questions about him. I've written to many people trying to get more info on him but have yet to receive any reply.

Also as SherlockJr pointed out awhile ago, Jack is often used as a nick name for John. (Which interestingly is the name of a potential spouse of another key player)

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

It may also be worth noting that for quite some time in 1971-72 we were on the road on our big bus trip, having our mail forwarded to my mother's, so they couldn't have acted on any abduction plan at that time, not knowing where we were.

He had no connection with the family other than the monthly support checks, which while we were traveling were sent to my mother's address. Although he had insisted on joint custody, he had not visited his daughter since early 1968. The possible significance of the dates is that no abduction could have been planned when he didn't know where we were, but once we had an address within an hour or so of where he lived (November, 1971), the plan--if any--could have gone forward. I still am not saying that he did it, only that the dates might have been significant.

Hi Annasmom. I had a question in regards to the above posts. In one you stated your bus trip was during 1971/72, and in the second post you stated that you had a permanent address in November of 71. I was wondering if that was just a typo?

Can you recall the month & year you left for your trip, and the month and year you set up house in a permanent location?

I ask this because I have been re-looking at GW personal notebook again. I notice on 2 separate pages (on the first page & again near the end) he is keeping a mileage log for his vehicle. I find it rather odd that a man who didn't vacation often put several thousand miles (3572 miles) on his car between April 1970 thru July 1970.

April 5, 1970 to May 17, 1970 he indicated 2500 + miles. strange to have that many miles on his car when he lived within walking distance to most everywhere he needed to go. In september 1970, he was logging it every often, putting 150 to 200 miles on every few days.

Did you keep a travel journal where you could go back and see where you might have been? I still wonder if he/(they) could have followed you during some of your trip.

 

[Annasmom]

Hi Annasmom. I had a question in regards to the above posts. In one you stated your bus trip was during 1971/72, and in the second post you stated that you had a permanent address in November of 71. I was wondering if that was just a typo?

Can you recall the month & year you left for your trip, and the month and year you set up house in a permanent location?

I ask this because I have been re-looking at GW personal notebook again. I notice on 2 separate pages (on the first page & again near the end) he is keeping a mileage log for his vehicle. I find it rather odd that a man who didn't vacation often put several thousand miles (3572 miles) on his car between April 1970 thru July 1970.

April 5, 1970 to May 17, 1970 he indicated 2500 + miles. strange to have that many miles on his car when he lived within walking distance to most everywhere he needed to go. In september 1970, he was logging it every often, putting 150 to 200 miles on every few days.

Did you keep a travel journal where you could go back and see where you might have been? I still wonder if he/(they) could have followed you during some of your trip.

This is a truly startling observation, and one nobody else has made. I do indeed have a journal of the bus trip, which went from May, 1971 to November, 1971. We bought the bus and started working on it in 1970 and didn't sell it until fall of 1972, which is why sometimes the dates of the bus experience extend beyond the six months we were actually traveling. We did have a permanent address at the farm at about Thanksgiving of 1971.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Hummm. Well, that can't be it then, because these mile where put on well before you actually left. He started the log April 5, 1970 with 2542 miles. His last entry was September 22, 1970 with 8550 miles. From July 17th to August 13th he didn't drive the car. That's 6008 miles in about 4.5 months of actual driving. Now for me, that would be nothing living 100 miles from nowhere!

I wonder where he went all the time. Did you live a long distance from him before the trip/moving to the farm?

 

[Annasmom]

Hummm. Well, that can't be it then, because these mile where put on well before you actually left. He started the log April 5, 1970 with 2542 miles. His last entry was September 22, 1970 with 8550 miles. From July 17th to August 13th he didn't drive the car. That's 6008 miles in about 4.5 months of actual driving. Now for me, that would be nothing living 100 miles from nowhere!

I wonder where he went all the time. Did you live a long distance from him before the trip/moving to the farm?

No, we lived in the same city. I wonder if that period he didn't drive the car corresponds to a vacation. I do have to go through my files and put them in better order.

 

[itsreenw]

I find it odd that "Mother Goose" was on the list of reading material.

I wonder if the book was going to be a gift for a child that GW would be seeing on his "vacation".

 

[Dr. Doogie]

... I notice on 2 separate pages (on the first page & again near the end) he is keeping a mileage log for his vehicle. I find it rather odd that a man who didn't vacation often put several thousand miles (3572 miles) on his car between April 1970 thru July 1970.

April 5, 1970 to May 17, 1970 he indicated 2500 + miles. strange to have that many miles on his car when he lived within walking distance to most everywhere he needed to go. In september 1970, he was logging it every often, putting 150 to 200 miles on every few days...

An excellent find! Considering that most of his driving was within SF city limits (home to work and back), these numbers do jump out as a major red flag. Also, considering that this traveling occurs when the "plan" was in its early formation, it is even more significant. Brody was not sick at this time (that we are aware of), so it couldn't be shuttling him to and from the Gearson Institute in San Diego. Very interesting!

 

[Annasmom]

I find it odd that "Mother Goose" was on the list of reading material.

I wonder if the book was going to be a gift for a child that GW would be seeing on his "vacation".

I'm not looking at that page right now, but my memory was that he had made lists of music he liked (maybe things he heard on the radio) and that Ravel's "Mother Goose Suite" was among them.

 

[itsreenw]

I'm not looking at that page right now, but my memory was that he had made lists of music he liked (maybe things he heard on the radio) and that Ravel's "Mother Goose Suite" was among them.

LOL!! You are right!!!