The Canvas Laundry Bags

[Whisperer]

ita!
:sick: honestly out of all the screwed up details about this case, the fact that she was driving around practically living out of her car for a month with her dead baby in the trunk is the sickest.

She had the car between the 16th and the 26th but drove TL's on the 17th....broke down on the 20th (gas?), fusion night. May have stayed at TL's and used his car on the weekend. He drove her twice to the house during this time. One time, helping her steal the gas cans from the shed on the 24th(?) She dropped it Amscot on the 26th. Had to be getting driven or used TL's car on the weekend of the 27th due to the pings. She was going places that weekend, that's for sure, but in whose car? I am guessing TL's.

Actually, she didn't drive it much, when you think about it.

 

[DotsEyes]

I will bet that the canvas tote is a huge find because there is fiber evidence in the Pontiac trunk that was as yet unexplained.

The hamper was 17" around? Hmmm. Almost the same size as the stain in the trunk, isn't it?

 

[enzeder]

Something else I noticed is that "the canvas bag was observed to be attached to the black plastic bag".

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3374B TO 3463B REDO.pdf

 

[SL_Zero]

Something else I noticed is that "the canvas bag was observed to be attached to the black plastic bag".

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3374B TO 3463B REDO.pdf

i wonder if the attached one is not a trash bag... BUT THE PLASTIC LINER!?

 

[Everly]

i wonder if the attached one is not a trash bag... BUT THE PLASTIC LINER!?

I don't think the canvas bag would have a black colored liner. It doesn't show as black in the Target photo. It was probably attached by all the root and vegetation growth.

Or could decomposition matter have adhered the two together?

 

[Rumpole]

This is definitely the laundry bag and the garbage bag. On p. 3480 the location of several items are given.

I've interpreted it in relation to the skull as if you are facing the skull with your back to Suburban Dr.

Skull was 19 ft, 8 in. from Suburban Drive (measured from S. edge of
east-bound lane. 87 ft from the light pole located west of the site along the east-bound lane of Suburban

Disney bag was 1/2 in. behind and 9 inches to the right of the skull .

Black bag was 1 ft, 3 1/2 in. in front of and 1 ft, 7 in. to the right of the skull.

Canvas bag was 1 ft, 7 1/2 in. in front of and 1 1/2 ft. to the right of the
skull.

Shorts were 10 1/2 in. in front of and 9 in. to the right of the skull.

You can see that the pic shows the exact proximetry of the bags to each other as in the narrative.

Thanks for picking out the measurements.

I am going nuts going back and forth for details.

 

[Everly]

I will bet that the canvas tote is a huge find because there is fiber evidence in the Pontiac trunk that was as yet unexplained.

The hamper was 17" around? Hmmm. Almost the same size as the stain in the trunk, isn't it?

It would be 17" across the top or bottom of the round bag bag if it was standing up. I don't think it could be standing upright in the trunk.

 

[Marina2]

Thanks for picking out the measurements.

I am going nuts going back and forth for details.

No problem.

From the link you gave I found a pic that shows how close to the road the bags and skull were.
Also, the Kindercare sign is visible in this pic. Standing at the sign, one would have a clear view of the skull since it's located just a foot and a half to the left of the canvas bag.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/021809remainsfoundOCSOpictures_set4/1/lg/196284.htm

 

[gbay]

I was researching just what George saw in the trunk on June 24'th and read over some transcipts and listened to some videos. It is one area where there are discrepancies. In the police video he talks about the discussion with Casey re: the gas cans and then proceeds to say he didn't get a look in the trunk. He also says the same story on an interview with Greta. The interview with the FBI however he does say the gas cans were in a plastic container and there was laundry/clothes also in the trunk...not sure why the story is different. Just what did he see in the trunk...perhaps the laundry bag was in there.

 

[fortytwo]

Sounds right to me. Liner and handles very useful for the awful purpose. It also created a more benign appearance in the trunk... looked like a bag of laundry instead of garbage. We need to find what George described seeing in the trunk and what the meter reader described seeing in the woods early on. I think they both saw this canvas bag.

(bold above by me)

I had an electric moment when I read this. Very possible.

This would make GA the nearly irrefutable "smoking gun".

 

[suspicious1]

now that we have a clear idea of the laundry bag, i am wondering about its use.
was it used for its leakproof liner? trash bags (especially double-bagging) deals with this. it seems to have wide handles, and i wonder i it was used for fear of the trash bag breaking when moving the body.

ok :sick:

I think the bag was just used to carry the trash bags. I think it is much easier to use the handles on the laundry bag as opposed to the handles (plastic) from the trash bags to transport a dead body.

 

[fortytwo]

who puts a laundry bag inside a garbage bag when they're not using it?
redundancy, anyone? what a perfectly good waste of a garbage bag.
ropeller:

Can't say for sure, but the first thought that comes to mind is to keep it clean and dry in the Florida humidity. What they refer to as "air" down there most people would call bathwater.

 

[Friday]

I will bet that the canvas tote is a huge find because there is fiber evidence in the Pontiac trunk that was as yet unexplained.

The hamper was 17" around? Hmmm. Almost the same size as the stain in the trunk, isn't it?

You're right! Would it have leaked, though, if it had a plastic liner?? Have we ever seen the forensics reports on the findings, if any, of decomp/bodily fluids on the trunk liner/carpet?

 

[suspicious1]

I was researching just what George saw in the trunk on June 24'th and read over some transcipts and listened to some videos. It is one area where there are discrepancies. In the police video he talks about the discussion with Casey re: the gas cans and then proceeds to say he didn't get a look in the trunk. He also says the same story on an interview with Greta. The interview with the FBI however he does say the gas cans were in a plastic container and there was laundry/clothes also in the trunk...not sure why the story is different. Just what did he see in the trunk...perhaps the laundry bag was in there.

I don't know exactly why the stories are different but maybe by the time he was interviewed by the FBI, the incident about the gas cans and the knowledge of a decomposition in the trunk of KC car, kept playing over and over in his head and he realized that there were clothes in the trunk of the car. I really don't think he is lying about seeing the clothes or a laundry bag, he at that point didn't know that what he saw in the trunk might somehow be connected to the case. If he saw the clothes or laundry bag on June 24 and a laundry bag was found at the scene, one would think that Caylee had to be in the trunk of KC car on the 24th. That's makes me wonder, if Caylee was killed on the 16th and the body was still in the trunk on the 24th, did KC have Caylee in the trunk for 8 days? BUT there was only 2 days of decomp. I am so confused.

 

[fortytwo]

I don't know exactly why the stories are different but maybe by the time he was interviewed by the FBI, the incident about the gas cans and the knowledge of a decomposition in the trunk of KC car, kept playing over and over in his head and he realized that there were clothes in the trunk of the car. I really don't think he is lying about seeing the clothes or a laundry bag, he at that point didn't know that what he saw in the trunk might somehow be connected to the case. If he saw the clothes or laundry bag on June 24 and a laundry bag was found at the scene, one would think that Caylee had to be in the trunk of KC car on the 24th. That's makes me wonder, if Caylee was killed on the 16th and the body was still in the trunk on the 24th, did KC have Caylee in the trunk for 8 days? BUT there was only 2 days of decomp. I am so confused.

It is a quandary.

Normally I try to avoid hypothesis, and wait for the facts to lay themselves out, but here I'll make an exception.

Could the body have been in the trunk, relatively un-contained for the 2 plus days of detected decomposition, and then wrapped up/contained more securely with laundry bag, etc for the remaining time?

Perhaps this would explain what appears to be a relatively small amount of staining in the trunk liner compared to the reported excessive smell, as well as the elevated levels of chloroform.

 

[Theonly1]

This is definitely the laundry bag and the garbage bag. On p. 3480 the location of several items are given.

I've interpreted it in relation to the skull as if you are facing the skull with your back to Suburban Dr.

Skull was 19 ft, 8 in. from Suburban Drive (measured from S. edge of
east-bound lane. 87 ft from the light pole located west of the site along the east-bound lane of Suburban

Disney bag was 1/2 in. behind and 9 inches to the right of the skull .

Black bag was 1 ft, 3 1/2 in. in front of and 1 ft, 7 in. to the right of the skull.

Canvas bag was 1 ft, 7 1/2 in. in front of and 1 1/2 ft. to the right of the
skull.

Shorts were 10 1/2 in. in front of and 9 in. to the right of the skull.

You can see that the pic shows the exact proximetry of the bags to each other as in the narrative.

I really wish we were able to capture and post the crime scene photos individually so that we could really break this down!

I'm thinking that animals got to the partially buried remains once the water subsided and that the animals drug the remains and bags around a bit.

 

[Theonly1]

If you google "Whitney Design™ Item #2516" the circular shaped laundy bag always comes up. The Police Report refers to it as ""Whitney Design" laundry bag (item# 2516)"

Storage Container – Large Krush™ Can by Whitney Design™ Item #2516

http://www.organize.com/large-krush-can.html

GRRRRR! Seeing these bags....they are just a perfect medium to place a small dead child.

Why didn't Cindy notice something like this was missing (or did she)?

 

[Theonly1]

(bold above by me)

I had an electric moment when I read this. Very possible.

This would make GA the nearly irrefutable "smoking gun".

You mean, the State putting GA on the stand, getting the canvas bag out of evidence, holding it up for GA and the jury and saying, "Mr. Anthony was THIS the LAUNDRY BAG you saw in the trunk of the Sunfire on June X, 2009?"

[I can hear the objections now...]

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I don't know exactly why the stories are different but maybe by the time he was interviewed by the FBI, the incident about the gas cans and the knowledge of a decomposition in the trunk of KC car, kept playing over and over in his head and he realized that there were clothes in the trunk of the car. I really don't think he is lying about seeing the clothes or a laundry bag, he at that point didn't know that what he saw in the trunk might somehow be connected to the case. If he saw the clothes or laundry bag on June 24 and a laundry bag was found at the scene, one would think that Caylee had to be in the trunk of KC car on the 24th. That's makes me wonder, if Caylee was killed on the 16th and the body was still in the trunk on the 24th, did KC have Caylee in the trunk for 8 days? BUT there was only 2 days of decomp. I am so confused.

I'm with you on this. I'm thinking that after Caylee was dead, she wrapped her in the Pooh blanket and stashed her in the trunk. After about 2.6 days, the body started to decompose badly and left the stain. She returned to the house and brought her into the back yard to bury her with the borrowed shovel. She tried to dig a grave but it turned out to be too difficult. She double bagged the body. Perhaps the "package" was hard to lift and she grabbed the laundry bag and used the handles to lift the body back into the car. After George saw the "laundry" in the car, she then went around the corner and dumped it all.

Plastic bags would tear if she dragged them into the woods. The laundry bag or hamper would proveide her with handles and enough stability to do the deed.

 

[dunlurken]

Yeah, it likely means that she chose that bag BECAUSE Caylee was decomposing in her trunk and she needed to put her inside of something that would not leak, and that would not be "noticed" as an odd thing to have in a trunk. I wonder how long she DID keep Caylee in that trunk...I think many days, and the decomp that tested 2.6 days was it? was how long she was in there inside of NOTHING and then Casey wrapped her and put her inside of that laundry hamper bag for Lord only knows how long after that!

This is what I'm thinking as well. The black trash bags originally held Caylee, but the fluids started to leak into the trunk. Thus the decomp smell, etc. The tan laundry bag was used to transfer Caylee to the burial site. I'm wondering when Casey picked up the laundry bag though. Remember Kronk at first said he saw something white (the laundry bag I would guess).