The case for murder

[CuriousGeorgia]

But HOW do you know that Dina did not have any LE with her?

I said, "LE", not SDSO. And for anything to be used in court, a member of LE should be there. That is the same thing he said to the Zahaus. THEY were the ones that chose not to enter the mansion.

Jonah Shacknai hired PR to handle the onslaught of media inquiries in the days after Rebecca and Max's death. I suppose the Zahaus relied on friends or volunteers to book all the media stories they did in the weeks after Rebecca's suicide. If I had been Jonah, I would have hired a PR firm, too. Was he suppose to answer each phone call and email while he was mourning Max and Rebecca's death? Please, I hardly think so.

JMO

 

[freespeech]

I kept waiting for someone to bring this up but nobody did so I will. Mary Zahau was quoted at one point talking about 3 sisters. She meant herself, RZ, and Snowem. Ever since I read that I have believed that XZ was RZ's daughter.
I am wondering if this is part of the informationthat the "Zahau family does not want revealed." (and why DS did not want RZ to be alone with Max and any of her family members). It has been mentioned already that DS may claim that XZ was jealous since she didn't live with her mother. OK. So that all dovetails nicely and makes DS' statement make sense. If it IS true, I am wondering if there is more to the story of why XZ did not live with RZ. Hmmmm.....
I also noticed something else that I never heard anyone address. DS mentioned on Dr. Phil that JS had let her and her investigators into Spreckels to make measurements to determine what happened to Max. BUT....JS lied about having sold the house and the Zahau family was not allowed in to take their own measurements. Now everything has been remodeled and there is nothing left of the crime scene. OK. JS and DS have a contentious relationship to say the least. They are at odds with eachother. Why would JS let Dina in to take those measurements but not let the Zahaus in? Max's accident seems to be ok to investigate but RZ's was not. Why is that?
This is, as always, MOO

Max's accident was OK'd by Jonah to investigate because it deflects from the facts that point to Rebecca's murder. I also think that "they" hope to make it look like Rebecca had it coming for those that believe she was murdered. If that would be the common perception then I would guess Jonah thinks the interest in Rebecca will die out.

However, I do not believe the interest will die out as there to much mystery coupled with unsavory LE elements and rank use of money, power and PR. Actually, what was intended to quell the interest here ironically worked to fuel the fire. Jonah may have to learn to live with this one as the Ramseys did/do or pay big $$$s to PR, which doesn't seem to do any good any way.

Also even if Rebecca has a daughter. So what? Who cares? It doesn't prove anything. It will just be one more thing to speculate about since having a daughter does not make one a murderer. It will simply be more grist for the rumor mill. Jmoo.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

I said, "LE", not SDSO. And for anything to be used in court, a member of LE should be there. That is the same thing he said to the Zahaus. THEY were the ones that chose not to enter the mansion.

Jonah Shacknai hired PR to handle the onslaught of media inquiries in the days after Rebecca and Max's death. I suppose the Zahaus relied on friends or volunteers to book all the media stories they did in the weeks after Rebecca's suicide. If I had been Jonah, I would have hired a PR firm, too. Was he suppose to answer each phone call and email while he was mourning Max and Rebecca's death? Please, I hardly think so.

JMO

Jonah said the Zahau's could investigate but only if the police accompanied them. LE Refused the Zahau's request to accompany them into the mansion.

So either Jonah or LE is playing favourites.

Since LE refused to re-open Max's case I doubt they would accompany DS's people into the mansion.

 

[MyBelle]

Why would Jonah stipulate that SDSO be at the mansion for Dina's investigation?

SDSO did not investigate Max's death. CPD did. Gore stated that there was no foul play involved in Max's death. He stated that max's death was the result of a tragic accident.

Here's the kicker, though, if you can handle it. The fact that Jonah to allowed Dina access to the mansion shows a huge amount of cohesiveness between the two.

I say this because if Dina had any intention of using her claims against Jonah in an eventual wrongful death lawsuit then how would it benefit Jonah to allow it unless he was mandated by the police?

If anything I believe Dina is stirring up dust to deflect from the witness report that she was at the mansion the night Rebecca died. Jonah would probably help her in that to deflect negative publicity since apparently he still wants to hang onto Medicis by pulling the same sham he did with the mansion ownership. This is all about PR. That should be exceedingly clear.

I believe Jonah would like to rewrite history on this. However, i see at least a couple of books slipping through with a more accurate version of events. Though apparently it appears to some that there are only a handful of people interested that is not true. This case will be like the JonBenet case in that many consider it unsolved because they do not buy SDSO's ruling. Apparently from what I read SDSO and Bill Gore have horrible reputations for corruption and incompetence.

I see that Jonah will have to pay huge $$$s for an extremely long time PR campaign to damage control this. Actually, Jonah is probably responsible for a PR job/career boom as PR appears to be raking in the $$$s. It seems to be a lucrative field for those with no conscience or morals. It should have great potential as our society continues devolve. Jmoo.

BBM. It would not be at all surprising if there is now a very strong bond between Jonah and Dina over their loss of a beloved son. If he is at all human, Jonah must feel a tremendous amount of guilt and regret for not respecting Dina's wishes about leaving the child in the care of RZ. His money is his own to spend on whatever he wishes. In fact, his tremendous wealth is one reason I believe RZ committed suicide. He had no need to have her murdered. All he had to do is change the locks. He could have texted her an eviction notice or had his staff convey it.

I've seen no indication that Jonah disputes either conclusion by the ME. If Gore and the entire SDSO is indeed that corrupt and incompetent then how did he get elected?

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Jonah said the Zahau's could investigate but only if the police accompanied them. LE Refused the Zahau's request to accompany them into the mansion.

So either Jonah or LE is playing favourites.

Since LE refused to re-open Max's case I doubt they would accompany DS's people into the mansion.

I'm not at all surprised that LE refused the request to devote resources to a closed case. They were "playing favorites" to their governing body who manages their budget.

If they were offered reimbursement, I could see LE changing their mind.

JMO

 

[freespeech]

BBM. It would not be at all surprising if there is now a very strong bond between Jonah and Dina over their loss of a beloved son. If he is at all human, Jonah must feel a tremendous amount of guilt and regret for not respecting Dina's wishes about leaving the child in the care of RZ. His money is his own to spend on whatever he wishes. In fact, his tremendous wealth is one reason I believe RZ committed suicide. He had no need to have her murdered. All he had to do is change the locks. He could have texted her an eviction notice or had his staff convey it.

I've seen no indication that Jonah disputes either conclusion by the ME. If Gore and the entire SDSO is indeed that corrupt and incompetent then how did he get elected?

JMO

If reality were only that easy and politics that simple. Gore got in with a 'good ole boy' Kolanader appointment and a little help from his friends.

..."Gore easily topped his rivals in campaign contributions, raising $154,900 this year compared with $30,000 by Duffy and $22,000 by La Suer.

“He had a big advantage with two issues,” Duffy said. “The financial advantage and his appointed incumbency....”


http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2010/jun/09/gore-rolls-past-challengers-in-sheriffs-race/

 

[freespeech]

I'm not at all surprised that LE refused the request to devote resources to a closed case. They were "playing favorites" to their governing body who manages their budget.

If they were offered reimbursement, I could see LE changing their mind.

JMO

BBM

Thanks. ITA with the bolded section.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

I'm not at all surprised that LE refused the request to devote resources to a closed case. They were "playing favorites" to their governing body who manages their budget.

If they were offered reimbursement, I could see LE changing their mind.

JMO

So you agree then that Jonah didn't want any further investigation into his beloved girlfriend's death?

Will Jonah finally come forward and ask the same questions we have been asking? Will he hire his own experts to get the answers.... he is the ONLY person in this case that is fully satisfied.... with a lovely thank you letter on the SDSO website.... and yet the mother of his child is heartbroken and off on tangents.... and the huge media personalities are discounting what SDSO concluded.... but Jonah... so far... no questions.... no experts... no demands for the truth....

Why?

Why allow Dinah to do the investigation.... it would look pretty bad.... not letting the mother of your child not investigate... and Dinah was going to create a media stir... did she blackmail him...

Maybe JS hoped DS would finally let it go..... instead she still has blinders on and only pays attention to evidence that conlcudes the theories that suit her agenda.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

BBM. It would not be at all surprising if there is now a very strong bond between Jonah and Dina over their loss of a beloved son. If he is at all human, Jonah must feel a tremendous amount of guilt and regret for not respecting Dina's wishes about leaving the child in the care of RZ. His money is his own to spend on whatever he wishes. In fact, his tremendous wealth is one reason I believe RZ committed suicide. He had no need to have her murdered. All he had to do is change the locks. He could have texted her an eviction notice or had his staff convey it.

I've seen no indication that Jonah disputes either conclusion by the ME. If Gore and the entire SDSO is indeed that corrupt and incompetent then how did he get elected?

JMO

Maybe JS contributed to Gore's election campaign... ??? That would help... and maybe JS contributed to the rest of Gore's friends campaigns as well...
since he is so resoundly satisfied with their conclusions on the two most important people in his life who came to SUDDEN deaths!

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Jonah ALREADY hired private investigators...way back in July '11. They agreed with the SDSO finding.

He also requested the AG relook at the case. IMO, he has done enough.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MyBelle
I'm not at all surprised that LE refused the request to devote resources to a closed case. They were "playing favorites" to their governing body who manages their budget.

If they were offered reimbursement, I could see LE changing their mind.

JMO

BBM

Thanks. ITA with the bolded section.

Good grief....

This is a huge flaw in the American Justice system.... Chief's of police being allowed to accept campaign dollars. All candidates should get the exact same amount of money to get their message accross and ask for the job. This is partly how the rich get away with crimes when you can buy the Chief of police and have him in your pocket...

I sure want to know exactly who gave him money.... any numbered companies... shell companies and newly created trusts?

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

BBM

Thanks. ITA with the bolded section.

Jonah ALREADY hired private investigators...way back in July '11. They agreed with the SDSO finding.

He also requested the AG relook at the case. IMO, he has done enough.

Where is the report I would love to read it? I am sure if the PR company that JS hired had access to that report they would use it to their advantage...
but I haven't seen it.

 

[MyBelle]

So you agree then that Jonah didn't want any further investigation into his beloved girlfriend's death?Will Jonah finally come forward and ask the same questions we have been asking? Will he hire his own experts to get the answers.... he is the ONLY person in this case that is fully satisfied.... with a lovely thank you letter on the SDSO website.... and yet the mother of his child is heartbroken and off on tangents.... and the huge media personalities are discounting what SDSO concluded.... but Jonah... so far... no questions.... no experts... no demands for the truth....

Why?

Why allow Dinah to do the investigation.... it would look pretty bad.... not letting the mother of your child not investigate... and Dinah was going to create a media stir... did she blackmail him...

Maybe JS hoped DS would finally let it go..... instead she still has blinders on and only pays attention to evidence that conlcudes the theories that suit her agenda.

BBM. What I believe is that RZ was no longer the "beloved girlfriend" after doctors questioned the events leading to Max's injuries and requested CPS get involved. Thus, her suicide.

Dina is no longer Jonah's wife and he certainly has no control over her actions going forward to try to honor his son. We all mourn in different ways. If you expect JS to do so publicly, I think you'll have a long wait.

 

[MyBelle]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MyBelle
I'm not at all surprised that LE refused the request to devote resources to a closed case. They were "playing favorites" to their governing body who manages their budget.

If they were offered reimbursement, I could see LE changing their mind.

JMO

BBM

Thanks. ITA with the bolded section.

Good grief....

This is a huge flaw in the American Justice system.... Chief's of police being allowed to accept campaign dollars. All candidates should get the exact same amount of money to get their message accross and ask for the job. This is partly how the rich get away with crimes when you can buy the Chief of police and have him in your pocket...

I sure want to know exactly who gave him money.... any numbered companies... shell companies and newly created trusts?

It would be great if you could fix the quote so that it reads properly.
I made no mention of campaign dollars nor did I imply it.

It is not at all unusual for LE to be hired privately or otherwise be re-imbursed for resources deployed such as in helping private investigators review a closed case.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Jonah ALREADY hired private investigators...way back in July '11. They agreed with the SDSO finding.

He also requested the AG relook at the case. IMO, he has done enough.

I think attempts going forward will be a waste of time, money and emotion. Common sense needs to prevail.

JMO

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

Jonah ALREADY hired private investigators...way back in July '11. They agreed with the SDSO finding.

He also requested the AG relook at the case. IMO, he has done enough.

Oh yes... fakering #3 on the list of Jonah Shacknai's PR campaign.


Episde #3 of playing PR games with the public sentiment.

Fake.... Dear AG... please reinvestigate....even though I am completely satisfied with the job LE did.

Truth.... to have a closed case re-investigated you MUST present the AG with new evidence.... or they send you a form letter.... saying NO... JS knew perfectly well his letter would NOT result in an investigation.

Episode #2

Fake... Jonah Shacknai has SOLD the Spreckles Mansion

Truth.... Jonah Shacknai is still in complete control of that property... the deed is still in his company's name.... and that deal will not be concluded for months... if ever.

Episode #3

Fake... Jonah Shacknai has SOLD his company Medicis... a company much maligned since they were forced to give sharholders millions of dollars back when they cooked the books... and then their accountants were fined the LARGEST fine in history for cooking those books.

Truth.... The CEO of the company that bought Medicis has lost his job and Jonah is still in control of Medicis... that sale will also not conlcude for a YEAR.. if it ever does...

CuriousGeorgia... you are a smart person... read a little more indepthly and I think you will see behind the PR smoke screen.

Why does JS feel the need to create this facade.... not sure.... but it isn't the actions of a straight forward and upfront individual that is for sure.

 

[Inparadise]

Oh yes... fakering #3 on the list of Jonah Shacknai's PR campaign.


Episde #3 of playing PR games with the public sentiment.

Fake.... Dear AG... please reinvestigate....even though I am completely satisfied with the job LE did.

Truth.... to have a closed case re-investigated you MUST present the AG with new evidence.... or they send you a form letter.... saying NO... JS knew perfectly well his letter would NOT result in an investigation.

Episode #2

Fake... Jonah Shacknai has SOLD the Spreckles Mansion

Truth.... Jonah Shacknai is still in complete control of that property... the deed is still in his company's name.... and that deal will not be concluded for months... if ever.

Episode #3

Fake... Jonah Shacknai has SOLD his company Medicis... a company much maligned since they were forced to give sharholders millions of dollars back when they cooked the books... and then their accountants were fined the LARGEST fine in history for cooking those books.

Truth.... The CEO of the company that bought Medicis has lost his job and Jonah is still in control of Medicis... that sale will also not conlcude for a YEAR.. if it ever does...

CuriousGeorgia... you are a smart person... read a little more indepthly and I think you will see behind the PR smoke screen.

Why does JS feel the need to create this facade.... not sure.... but it isn't the actions of a straight forward and upfront individual that is for sure.

Spreckels is not owned by Medicis, it is owned by the Jonah Shacknai Revocable Trust, just as 1124 G Ave. And yes, he is moving back into Spreckels.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

Jonah's actions suggest to me.... he is involved in the death of RZ. He knows it was either himself, Adam or Dinah....

Scenario #1

JS lost control questioning RZ and accidently harmed her... when RZ screamed Adam came into the mansion and was coerced or bribed into helping JS hide the murder and make it look like suicide or murder by a stranger take your pic

Scenario #2

Adam lost control questioning RZ and accidently harmed her... Adam called JS and JS came back to the mansion ahd helped make it look like a suicide or murder by a stanger, again take your pic.... the death scene is weird.

Scenario #3

Dina lost control questioning RZ and accidently harmed her... when Adam heard the screams he came into the mansion.... called JS....JS came to the mansion and coerced or bribed Adam into covering up DS's crime....

Scenario #4
and maybe JS wasn't quite sure who harmed RZ.... and suspects Adam... and that is why he is doing everything in his PR power to run from this terrible situation....because when the truth comes out.... it will ruin him..

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

Spreckels is not owned by Medicis, it is owned by the Jonah Shacknai Revocable Trust, just as 1124 G Ave. And yes, he is moving back into Spreckels.

Thanks for the information Inparadise....

Now that is just creepy... are you sure... JS is moving back into Spreckles...where his son and girlfriend met tragic deaths..... that's insanity.

I think JS still owns it because no one will buy it... and he set that deal up to try and disassociate it from the tragedies....

but to live in it again?

How do you know that?

 

[Evan's Mom]

Actually, what you say is not true. There are hundreds and more interested in this case. However, people get tired of reading the same old tired rhetoric over and over again. Many people do not post but they are waiting and watching for updates. There are no updates as yet regarding Rebecca.

Dina stirred things up a little until everyone read Dr. Melinek's ridiculous report. Now things are starting to die down again until we hear from the AG. This shouldn't matter to anyone but the people who are interested.

The Jon Benet case is still discussed. The difference here is that that there are very aggressive PR people in this case who try to disrupt online discussion and try to get people to stop posting. However, eventually Jonah will have to stop paying those people and just ignore the talk.

The Ramseys went on with their lives and he should go on with his. It human nature to remember and talk about unsolved murders. I know PR wants to convince people that Rebecca killed herself but that's not possible since LE didn't secure the evidence to prove their suicide determination. I can't wait until they stop paying these PR people so that one can complete an intelligent conversation without all the nonsense.

Actually, the reason *I*(like many other posters) quit posting in this forum is because if you think Rebecca did commit suicide and it was not murder, those that don't agree with you are mean, hateful and downright condescending. I felt unwelcome on a website I've been a member of for 4 years every time I posted.
Even though I don't post in this forum anymore, I do read about this case all over the internet. The only time I ever see theories shut down is when someone does not agree with the majority, regardless of which side of the fence they are on.
It's just internet forum posters, not aggressive, all powerful PR goobers.