The case for murder

[minazoe]

I was making an argument " for suicide" and it was mere speculation on a possible motive. I have no idea how she was feeling and can only imagine. But on some level it is very possible that she got dumped that night. I don't think you can argue that she wasn't negatively affected by the situation with Max.

 

[Inparadise]

I was making an argument " for suicide" and it was mere speculation on a possible motive. I have no idea how she was feeling and can only imagine. But on some level it is very possible that she got dumped that night. I don't think you can argue that she wasn't negatively affected by the situation with Max.

Even IF Rebecca were "dumped" by Jonah over Max's accident, Rebecca doesn't strike me as the type of person to lash out with any type of violence, unlike Dina who tried to stop Jonah from leaving her: laying down in front of his car in the driveway, trying to get the keys out of the ignition..........etc..

 

[bourne]

I was making an argument " for suicide" and it was mere speculation on a possible motive. I have no idea how she was feeling and can only imagine. But on some level it is very possible that she got dumped that night. I don't think you can argue that she wasn't negatively affected by the situation with Max.

Please don't characterize what I say as arguments because they're not, <modsnip>. I've only been stating my opinions based on how I interpret the available evidence.

Why do you say it is possible that she got dumped? Even by Jonah's own admission that he left a VM on Becky's phone at around midnight Tues, he even states to the cops that he was notifying Becky that Max's condition may have gotten worse. If he had dumped her, he would have told the cops that. Why hide it? Furthermore, if Jonah had dumped Becky, why didn't he send her packing along with her younger sis XZ on Mon/Tues? He asked XZ to leave by Tues, why not ask Becky to leave as well? Why have Becky around if he dumped her? Why did he have Becky chauffeur him, Adam, and Dr. Luber around on Tues? Why go to dinner with her?

I also never claimed she wasn't negatively affected by Max's accident. I think that any human being who sees a child injured would feel for the child, particularly one that she had helped care for while with Jonah.

 

[minazoe]

I have a feeling of a struggle in the yard where the mud on Becky's feet came from, some one maybe tasing her, or choking her, maybe she was running in and out of the house, maybe in the kitchen trying to find something to defend herself with, I feel her head gets banged when her head flops over and bounces several times, maybe on a door jam..

I can't stop thinking about her muddy feet

and jonah

 

[minazoe]

also, wouldn't she run to the guest house for help???? knowing Jonah was there????? so either she didn't make it far enough or ...????

 

[Inparadise]

also, wouldn't she run to the guest house for help???? knowing Jonah was there????? so either she didn't make it far enough or ...????

I think that she went out to the guest house to say "good night" to Adam, as was her habit with guests at both properties, and they were there waiting for her.......she ran into the court yard, and the rest is ...................she was tortured and murdered, IMO.

 

[minazoe]

Dina and Nina, or all of them?

 

[minazoe]

perhaps this is why Dina works so hard to discredit Becky?

 

[Inparadise]

Dina and Nina, or all of them?

At least the twins and Adam.......

 

[minazoe]

so maybe they feel that they are going to confront her and get her to tell what happened to Max...then it spirals into violence...did anyone text or call dina to tell her that Max was going to die that night????

why was she NOT AT THE HOSPITAL WITH HER SON????????

 

[Inparadise]

so maybe they feel that they are going to confront her and get her to tell what happened to Max...then it spirals into violence...did anyone text or call dina to tell her that Max was going to die that night????

why was she NOT AT THE HOSPITAL WITH HER SON????????

One would have to ask Dina why she was not at the hospital with her son, since Dina left her phone at RCH that night, I doubt that anyone called/texted her about Max's condition.........IMO, Jonah, Dina, Nina, Adam, Luber and Jonah's father all knew of the severity of Max's condition from very early on after the fall.........the only one kept in the dark was Rebecca, and for a very good reason. Another point that I will bring up again, if Jonah believed or had been told that Max might take his last breath at any time, why did he retire to the RMH to sleep between 1am and 7am? This just doesn't fit at all............it's called an "ALIBI"

 

[Nom de plume]

One would have to ask Dina why she was not at the hospital with her son, since Dina left her phone at RCH that night, I doubt that anyone called/texted her about Max's condition.........IMO, Jonah, Dina, Nina, Adam, Luber and Jonah's father all knew of the severity of Max's condition from very early on after the fall.........the only one kept in the dark was Rebecca, and for a very good reason. Another point that I will bring up again, if Jonah believed or had been told that Max might take his last breath at any time, why did he retire to the RMH to sleep between 1am and 7am? This just doesn't fit at all............it's called an "ALIBI"

Pretty convienent to leave her cell phone there! If anyone checked later to see what tower was picking up the signals, she's covered.

Why would either parent leave his bedside in a situation like that? They'd have to physically throw me out! No sleep, no going for coffee or food, no trips home to change clothes, nothing except being with my child! Don't get along with the ex? Oh well, too bad. I'd worry about that later.

Alibi sounds right to me too IP. Either that, or just one cold hearted SOB.

 

[minazoe]

not only that the hospital will try to accommodate you....especially when you are a billionaire.

 

[Inparadise]

not only that the hospital will try to accommodate you....especially when you are a billionaire.

In hopes of a charitable contribution.....no doubt.

 

[minazoe]

so he went to the hotel and then while he was asleep? there....not calling people to tell them his son was hovering very near death...he was just there sleeping?

so even though was it Dina asked to go over the house and talk to Becky?... all this stuff going on and then he has this talk with Becky before he goes to sleep....and there is no mention of Dina ? or jonah? and he is supposedly picking this moment in time to tell her she has to get out???

I may not have this all straight so maybe I can re read Annes book...

but it sounds so whack.

 

[Gilgamesh]

I think that she went out to the guest house to say "good night" to Adam, as was her habit with guests at both properties, and they were there waiting for her.......she ran into the court yard, and the rest is ...................she was tortured and murdered, IMO.

I wasn't there. I don't know what happened. This scenarios sounds pretty damn reasonable to me, though. It would explain:
1) Nina being there ( not having gone back to Dina's like she said, making sure
everyone knew she didn't touch the gate, etc.)
2) Dina being seen in front of the house ( acting strange, pacing, very likely
getting ready for an interrogation and waiting for her sister
and generally in a highly anxious, enraged state and then
being seen disappearing to the back of the property
Where the guesthouse was)
3) Mud on Rebecca's feet ( from running away from those who were waiting to
ambush her and it also
makes her close enough to the neighbor's homes to be
heard screaming for help).
4) Being killed on her back and later hoisted up to look like she had been
hung


I still don't know what I think of Jonah's role in the whole thing.
This guesthouse scenario doesn't make Adam look too innocent, though.
There are a lot of other things that could be explained many ways, but this basic scenario makes a heck of a lot of sense to me. It just kind of clicks.

 

[Carioca]

I wasn't there. I don't know what happened. This scenarios sounds pretty damn reasonable to me, though. It would explain:
1) Nina being there ( not having gone back to Dina's like she said, making sure
everyone knew she didn't touch the gate, etc.)
2) Dina being seen in front of the house ( acting strange, pacing, very likely
getting ready for an interrogation and waiting for her sister
and generally in a highly anxious, enraged state and then
being seen disappearing to the back of the property
Where the guesthouse was)
3) Mud on Rebecca's feet ( from running away from those who were waiting to
ambush her and it also
makes her close enough to the neighbor's homes to be
heard screaming for help).
4) Being killed on her back and later hoisted up to look like she had been
hung


I still don't know what I think of Jonah's role in the whole thing.
This guesthouse scenario doesn't make Adam look too innocent, though.
There are a lot of other things that could be explained many ways, but this basic scenario makes a heck of a lot of sense to me. It just kind of clicks.

I can go with most of this scenario, but I do believe she was tossed over the balcony after being ambushed in the guesthouse, chased screaming across the courtyard, tied up, dragged, carried up to the hanging room, taped to the chair, tortured psychologically and physically, and strangled with the t-shirt until losing consciousness. Once subdued, she was "walked" to the balcony, and while being tilted to her left, she was hogtied, then flipped over head first. Her neck injuries indicate she sustained severe neck damage and the lividity in her back was from being abandoned on the courtyard grass for 13+ hours...

What is needed to commit this perfect murder?
1) One puppet meister with enough clout to call in the brass and KNOW they will do his bidding;
2) one medical expert to advise on DNA transfer, lividity, strangulation evidence vs long drop hanging, and time needed post mortem to ensure bodily evidence is destroyed;
3) two self-righteous, hatred-filled, revenge-driven women to go in for the torture and the kill; and
4) one strong man with knot-tying expertise who is mentally, at best, a half a bubble off, summoned by his father to "be there" for his brother (read: protect and defend family honor) to finalize the job, a man who is so far off the wall even LE is taken for a loop.

The question one must ask is: the motive for her murder lies behind which of the following doors?

Door #1) Becky was murdered to silence her for what she knew.
Door #2) Becky was murdered out of revenge for little Max's accident.
Door #3) A combination of the above.

I'll take Door #3.

As always, just my 2 cents worth, and since I wasn't there, definitely solely my humble opinion.

 

[bourne]

I can go with most of this scenario, but I do believe she was tossed over the balcony after being ambushed in the guesthouse, chased screaming across the courtyard, tied up, dragged, carried up to the hanging room, taped to the chair, tortured psychologically and physically, and strangled with the t-shirt until losing consciousness. Once subdued, she was "walked" to the balcony, and while being tilted to her left, she was hogtied, then flipped over head first. Her neck injuries indicate she sustained severe neck damage and the lividity in her back was from being abandoned on the courtyard grass for 13+ hours...

What is needed to commit this perfect murder?
1) One puppet meister with enough clout to call in the brass and KNOW they will do his bidding;
2) one medical expert to advise on DNA transfer, lividity, strangulation evidence vs long drop hanging, and time needed post mortem to ensure bodily evidence is destroyed;
3) two self-righteous, hatred-filled, revenge-driven women to go in for the torture and the kill; and
4) one strong man with knot-tying expertise who is mentally, at best, a half a bubble off, summoned by his father to "be there" for his brother (read: protect and defend family honor) to finalize the job, a man who is so far off the wall even LE is taken for a loop.

The question one must ask is: the motive for her murder lies behind which of the following doors?

Door #1) Becky was murdered to silence her for what she knew.
Door #2) Becky was murdered out of revenge for little Max's accident.
Door #3) A combination of the above.

I'll take Door #3.

As always, just my 2 cents worth, and since I wasn't there, definitely solely my humble opinion.

Carioca, I was with you till the "what is needed..." part. lol

I honestly can't see Luber (whom I think you are alluding to above) as participating in Becky's lynching. I also, currently, don't think Jonah was the puppetmeister. (Cute pronunciation by the bye; German, yes? ). I think he still loved Becky even after Max's accident and did not blame her for his it.

Why do I say that? Because otherwise, he would have angrily shooed her away immediately along with her younger sis XZ. There was no reason to keep her around if he in fact blamed Becky and with such hateful intensity that he would go about setting up her murder. If Jonah had wanted to, he could have simply asked her to leave ASAP as in that Mon or latest Tues, along with XZ, and that he'd have someone pack up her stuff and send her suitcases later that week, etc. No reason to allow Becky to stay in the home, and he also continued to communicate with her throughout Tues, as I recall.

I am certain if someone hated you and was plotting your murder, they would not call/text you throughout the day to give you updates about their child's condition in ICU. (Just compare how angry Dina banned Becky from the hospital from seeing Dina's son). They also would not have dinner with you either, especially if they blame you for their child's fatal accident.

Besides, XZ would have informed authorities that Jonah was angry and had broken up with Becky if that were the case because an insider said that XZ had been standing at the master bedroom door when Jonah returned home Monday night and XZ had overheard what Jonah said to Becky.

So I don't agree that Jonah or Luber were in on the murder of Becky.

I'm still on the fence about Adam. Maybe in his ambien-induced state, he might have helped cover up the crime, but for now, I will say he was not involved. I think the twins set him up to take the fall for Becky's murder.

Which door do I choose? I say likely it's #2.

Thanks for the game. Now which prize do I get? :blushing:

 

[Inparadise]

Carioca, I was with you till the "what is needed..." part. lol

I honestly can't see Luber (whom I think you are alluding to above) as participating in Becky's lynching. I also, currently, don't think Jonah was the puppetmeister. (Cute pronunciation by the bye; German, yes? ). I think he still loved Becky even after Max's accident and did not blame her for his it.

Why do I say that? Because otherwise, he would have angrily shooed her away immediately along with her younger sis XZ. There was no reason to keep her around if he in fact blamed Becky and with such hateful intensity that he would go about setting up her murder. If Jonah had wanted to, he could have simply asked her to leave ASAP as in that Mon or latest Tues, along with XZ, and that he'd have someone pack up her stuff and send her suitcases later that week, etc. No reason to allow Becky to stay in the home, and he also continued to communicate with her throughout Tues, as I recall.

I am certain if someone hated you and was plotting your murder, they would not call/text you throughout the day to give you updates about their child's condition in ICU. (Just compare how angry Dina banned Becky from the hospital from seeing Dina's son). They also would not have dinner with you either, especially if they blame you for their child's fatal accident.

Besides, XZ would have informed authorities that Jonah was angry and had broken up with Becky if that were the case because an insider said that XZ had been standing at the master bedroom door when Jonah returned home Monday night and XZ had overheard what Jonah said to Becky.

So I don't agree that Jonah or Luber were in on the murder of Becky.

I'm still on the fence about Adam. Maybe in his ambien-induced state, he might have helped cover up the crime, but for now, I will say he was not involved. I think the twins set him up to take the fall for Becky's murder.

Which door do I choose? I say likely it's #2.

Thanks for the game. Now which prize do I get? :blushing:

I don't think that Jonah blamed Rebecca for Max's fall.......but she did know too much about what really happened, and that was a problem for him. IMO, Jonah knew how to push Dina's buttons, allowing her to think that Rebecca was responsible for Max's fall. He had certainly seen her in "enraged" states previously, and was well aware of what she would do........so, his problem goes away, but he isn't directly involved in the deed.....almost PERFECT, and he has an air-tight alibi, but guess who doesn't?

 

[minazoe]

I just know this, I had a cousin who was totally normal, as nice as pie,,,until the door closed, and all the adults pulled out of the driveway....as soon as he knew he was alone with me and no one was coming, he proceeded on a daylong pursuit of me throughout the house, thankfully I fended him off.

I can see here that Adam has an opportunity, was the last to see her and the first to find her, you never know, maybe Dina and Nina couldn't find Rebecca when they went in the house, maybe she was being detained in the guesthouse.

I feel like Dina could have easily flipped out and attacked Rebecca and killed her, only there are no defense wounds, this is why I feel like she may have been tazed or knocked out from behind, I still feel those bumps on her head come from being dragged unconscious thru a doorway, because they are like soft injuries, like a very short impact I guess.

wonder if there are any cases of sisters committing murder together. This is a situation of extreme duress, with Dina having a bad track record...