The Case of JonBenet Ramsey-CBS Sept. 18 # 2

[CoreyRocks]

http://peterboyles.podbean.com/e/peter-boyles-show-dec-18-2014-hr-4/

This should be the link for Priscilla and Fleet on the radio. It was quite long I want to say a couple hours. Also has spoof songs about the Ramseys to other popular tunes by an incredible singer.

 

[CoreyRocks]

http://www.westword.com/news/jonben...got-derailed-and-why-it-still-matters-6053856

A great article mentioned on the Peter Boyles show

 

[CoreyRocks]

http://www.simulstream.com/mp3.html

From Peter Boyles

 

[PositiveLight]

http://peterboyles.podbean.com/e/peter-boyles-show-dec-18-2014-hr-4/

This should be the link for Priscilla and Fleet on the radio. It was quite long I want to say a couple hours. Also has spoof songs about the Ramseys to other popular tunes by an incredible singer.

Thank you thank you thank you for all the links!!!! Finally I get to hear their side! :tyou::yourock:

 

[CoreyRocks]

Thank you thank you thank you for all the links!!!! Finally I get to hear their side! :tyou::yourock:

Thank YOU. Like your emoji.

I like your insightful posts, too, PositiveLight.

I do not take any credit for finding these initially. Like I said Websleuthers are good sharers and that is how I knew about these.

This site rocks. Tricia and her team do a GREAT job.

I have shed many tears for JonBenet, and want justice and truth for that sweet precious girl.

 

[PositiveLight]

http://peterboyles.podbean.com/e/peter-boyles-show-dec-18-2014-hr-4/

This should be the link for Priscilla and Fleet on the radio. It was quite long I want to say a couple hours. Also has spoof songs about the Ramseys to other popular tunes by an incredible singer.

only 10 min in and wow!

 

[PositiveLight]

Thank YOU. Like your emoji.

I like your insightful posts, too, PositiveLight.

I do not take any credit for finding these initially. Like I said Websleuthers are good sharers and that is how I knew about these.

This site rocks. Tricia and her team do a GREAT job.

I have shed many tears for JonBenet, and want justice and truth for that sweet precious girl.

I totally agree! Tricia is simply amazing as well as all of the wonderful posters here! Love this site!
I too have cried many times over this case. To me, JonBenet and the justice she should have had, was swept under the rug to keep an elite family from having a tarnished reputation. Their reputation was so much more important than justice for their daughter. That breaks my heart. To think that precious child laid on that cold floor for that long in the position she was in, as her own parents sat right above her. She didn't look peaceful. She looked strangled and her little arms were tied above her head stiff from rigor mortis. She had duct tape over her mouth. I don't know how John could say she looked peaceful. I was shocked when I read and saw that. So many people want justice for this little girl. Loved ones of hers and family friends. Even strangers such as us. Why isn't the immediate family also seeking justice?

 

[johnjay]

http://peterboyles.podbean.com/e/peter-boyles-show-dec-18-2014-hr-4/

This should be the link for Priscilla and Fleet on the radio. It was quite long I want to say a couple hours. Also has spoof songs about the Ramseys to other popular tunes by an incredible singer.

Paula Woodward doesn't get a lot of love there, what's up with that?

 

[ElleElle]

I admit I'm not sure about it. But with the lack of evidence, is that not a reasonable position?

As for getting the importance of details in their proper perspective, we don't agree on that. Right back at you, with the pineapple evidence proving nothing other than being circumstantial evidence for time of death. How people act and what is picked up on their behavior is important. To me.

I don't quite understand the endangerment charges with the GJ. It seems like a legal device to get a conviction. If there was strong circumstantial evidence for wrongful killing, wouldn't that be the charge?

What would you consider strong circumstantial evidence for wrongful killing to be indicted with child endangerment? I am curious.

 

[Heymom]

INTERESTING! Thank you so much for the link. I bookmarked it so I could go back and read it in full. I wonder why Dr. Beuf wasn't originally mentioned in reference to those at the house that day. Hmm!!!

I don't think they were at the party on the 23rd, or at the house the day of the "kidnapping." I think the question was people the Ramseys socialized with in Boulder. "Social acquaintances on a friendly basis" is how the questioner put it. See the top of that page for context.

 

[Heymom]

Paula Woodward doesn't get a lot of love there, what's up with that?

Because she was head over heels in love with the Ramseys??

 

[Heymom]

This, to me, is one of the parts of the Ramsey story that's hardest to believe. Truly concerned parents would have had everyone in the house up, calling, searching, and spilling whatever they knew.

As I am re-reading Chief Kolar's book, it struck me that John and Patsy could not say that they had called for JonBenet that morning (assuming they didn't know she was already dead, which they did), because doing so would have woken up Burke, meaning Burke would now be questioned by police as a possible witness to the "abduction." No, no noise because Burke stayed asleep the whole morning.

 

[carolinea]

This, to me, is one of the parts of the Ramsey story that's hardest to believe. Truly concerned parents would have had everyone in the house up, calling, searching, and spilling whatever they knew.

Plus, wouldn't you want to make sure your other child is safe? If someone was in my house during the night, I'd be afraid that maybe they hadn't left yet. The Ramseys couldn't have been sure how long ago the "kidnappers" were there--maybe they'd only just left the note--and that house is huge. There are tons of hiding places. I would not leave my remaining child upstairs, unsupervised.

 

[carolinea]

Ramsey called his lawyer early. His lawyer would have told him. No police investigation or DA would have gone after them in that time (a couple of days) if the Ramseys had gone with their lawyer to see the police and make a statement about that. At any rate, adults instinctively know a small child isn't going to be guilty and charged. If it was someone in the house, it would have been one of the parents.

So you think Ramsey called his lawyer in the middle of the night and asked if his son could be charged with killing his daughter? Did Ramsey even have a criminal attorney at that point?

The "adults instinctively know" comment is so ludicrous I'm not going to address it.

But there are consequences beyond simply going to jail, especially since there were signs of sexual assault. (Even if you don't believe that occurred, that experts argue over it, blah, blah--the fact is, there were enough signs there to make it a possibility. Even if it DIDN'T occur, the signs would have made investigators question if it had.)

Like--he might have been removed from their home and placed in a mental health facility.
Like--for the rest of his life, he'd have been known as a murderer.
Like--all their friends and family would have known he'd killed her.

I can see how some parents might believe they were protecting their remaining child's future (and their own reputations) by keeping him from facing the consequences of his actions.

 

[ElleElle]

They didn't know he couldn't be charged, and even if he weren't charged with a crime, he'd definitely have been removed from their home and probably put in state care for years, if not permanently. Then there is the scandal from such publicity. They had ample reason not to tell the truth that morning.

BBM ~ Wouldn't their lawyers have informed them that BR would not be charged?

 

[Heymom]

BBM ~ Wouldn't their lawyers have informed them that BR would not be charged?

You're assuming they had lawyers they could call in the early hours of 12/26? I'm assuming no such thing. Even if they did call a random, say, tax lawyer, (they would have had no reason to have contact with a criminal defense lawyer before that morning), there are other consequences when one of your children has killed another of your children, and it's obviously NOT an accident. Burke would have been removed from them, they would have been investigated, Burke could have been institutionalized for years. Their social standing was in jeopardy, as was John's business. The prior sexual abuse is one huge key to the outcome of this case. I believe that at least Patsy knew that JonBenet was being abused, and they were protecting (as they saw it) the family from certain implosion if that was brought out.

 

[dalsglen]

Just incase any UK folks havent seen it yet, the ID show is on right now, sky 522

 

[Heymom]

But I guess she was implying that the larger the house, the harder it might be to keep up with basic maintenance? I think it reflects more on the state of chaos/confusion in the household itself, not nec. the size of the house.

 

[ukrberserker23]

What happened? Did someone figure out she was probably Scarlett Scarpetta?

 

[Kakidoll]

BBM ~ Wouldn't their lawyers have informed them that BR would not be charged?

Not if the lawyer was in Atlanta and didn't know colorado law


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