The Case of JonBenet Ramsey-CBS Sept. 18 # 2

[mauidreemn]

Yes, finding out suddenly that your deceased baby was the victim of chronic sexual abuse would be devastating to hear. After the initial shock and anger, it would naturally cause one to reframe what they thought they believed about their child's death. Wouldn't the first logical thought in the parent's mind be "I wonder if the person who sexually molested her in the past is also who killed her"?

But no.

Every single parent would deny it. Every single one.

 

[CoreyRocks]

True, Ramsey joined the*Navy*in 1966. The book title has always been kept private, though there is speculation about it being the adult Dr. Seuss book. But even if it were "oh the places you will go" it has no business being with that blanket in the suitcase.

I cannot figure out how to post a link but here is where you will find info on the Seuss book in the suitcase.

On this site, WS, JonBenet section, thread titled, "JAR's semen on the blanket in the suitcase in the basement".

The second photo mentions an "adult" book of which Seuss wrote only one. Then it is pictured and discussed.

2/12/14 12:23 AM Post # 71.

If anyone knows how to link to this thread please advise and thanks in advance.

 

[mauidreemn]

I am 100% behind you on these comments. I am really, really angry that there are so many uniquely female issues related to this case! History of sexual molestation, male sibling violence toward younger female sibling, the apparent cover-up and total sacrifice of a daughter to hide hideous and ongoing abusive behavior in this family. The almost TOTAL handling of the case by Males...them choosing what to play up, what to ignore. Justice for Jonbenet is really a blatant joke at this point.

There is absolutely NO evidence to support any of these theories. None. So kiddos playing outside don't injure each other? Kids that play outside do. All the time

 

[mauidreemn]

I tripped, fell forward and although my hands were extended, planted my forehead smack into the sharp corner of a metal furniture leg, requiring stitches by a plastic surgeon. My nephew, at about 3 years of age, slipped, fell forward and busted his chin on the opened and down door of the dishwasher as it was being loaded, requiring stitches by a plastic surgeon. My niece did a face plant after getting tangled in a jump rope, scrapes on nose - no doctor needed.

I don't think JBR's prior injuries are from anything sinister, such as being abused. As for her other doctor visits, they seem to be just normal childhood germ issues.

PR believed that LE was her enemy. No doubt she was coached that LE will lie to get a response so she was on guard and likely thought that the information about prior sexual abuse was a lie just to gauge her reaction. She wanted proof. Had they shown her proof, we may have seen an hysterical reaction.

I am not convinced that JBR was being sexually abused by anyone. To my non-scientific mind, all the injuries noted to that area may very well be consistent with her falling on her bike and chronic vaginitis.

Completely agree. Can you imagine of any of us where questioned about every single mark or accident?

 

[CoolJ]

What makes you think she "knew"?

A mother knows when her child is being abused irregardless of whether or not she consciously admits it. JMO

 

[mauidreemn]

He is an expert in this type of behavior. Their "theory" supports the GJ indictments. Lin Wood, if the facts of this case leak out as heinously as one would expect, would suffer personally and professionally since he did not have to represent the family. He is as tied to the case as the Ramseys now. Not all cases are worth it. I think of OJ too. Bad karma.


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Are you speaking of Clemente? Clemente has been hawking this point of view for years. Only reason any of us know of him is because of Jonbenet.

 

[Magdalyn]

Since it came up earlier in this thread about JonBenet's doctor visits, some may not have seen this. It is a list of doctor visits alleged to have been given to Det. Jane Harmer from Beuf's office. It's the reason the Ramseys sometimes claimed they had given Beuf permission to "share" his records on JonBenet. But all it amounts to is a list of visits and phone calls. Notably absent though are the three calls that were made within 30 minutes of one another on the evening of December 17(?) that he didn't disclose and Patsy couldn't remember the reason for when questioned about it.

7/93: (Patsy diagnosed with cancer; JBR under Nedra's care). Regressed in toilet training and eating habits.

10/5/94: Came in for checkup, doctor notices scar on left cheek. She'd been hit accidentally by a golf club when the family was in Charlevoix. A week after the accident, a plastic surgeon was consulted. No injury to cheekbone. Beuf is told (at this visit) that she's getting along with brothers and older sister. Wearing pullups at night because she's wetting bed. Patsy completes developmental questionnaire, and says there are no aspects of JonBenet's behavior or sex education she needed to discuss, and also notes JBR has no fears or phobias.


October 1994 -- a routine physical. No problems noted, though some indication of occasional bedwetting. Dr. Beuf says 20 percent to 25 percent of children that age wet the bed.


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I wanted to juxtapose the times her doctor mentioned the bedwetting with the time Patsy told the detective she never discussed the bedwetting with her doctor.

18 PATSY RAMSEY: Plus she had her

19 pink pajamas on that she had put on the night

20 before. If she had wet it would have been

21 soaking wet and she wouldn't have had those on

22 in the Christmas picture, so --

23 TOM HANEY: Okay. If that's what

24 she, and you say that's what she wore to bed the

25 night before?

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1 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes.

2 TOM HANEY: Okay, all right. Did

3 you ever discuss this with Dr. Buff, is that her

4 pediatrician?

5 PATSY RAMSEY: Not that I

6 remember.

7 TOM HANEY: It just wasn't a

8 concern?

9 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

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[mauidreemn]

If this was a professional phot shoot, no doubt lights would have been in her face...yet her pupils look unusually large for that level of light exposure.

Also I have one finger that looks a lot like that. It was a gymnastics injury and my finger twisted on the knuckle and the finger bones were spiral fractured....it was repositioned and cast, but it still has a twist to it.

To me that definetly looks like a break and it looks like someone grabbed her by the hand/finger and twisted it.

And this is why we can't have nice things. Every single bit of this is supposition and not backed up by a single person on this case.

 

[CoreyRocks]

Are you speaking of Clemente? Clemente has been hawking this point of view for years. Only reason any of us know of him is because of Jonbenet.

I first saw Clemente on many special features on the Criminal Minds DVD's. He is consulted so that the show will depict accurate procedures in profiling. The show is a great success.

 

[ukrberserker23]

I did notice something else from looking at the basement pictures. There was a rug or blanket with the Mountaineers logo, and something else with WVU logo on it. Guess she went back home once in awhile, or Needs sent them to her. I hadn't noticed these years ago when I first reviewed the crime scene photos. I'm sure we are all still missing evidence that is right in our faces. I wonder why PR's shoe print was never found in the basement? I doubt if she went to the basement with bare feet or pantyhose on her feet. Maybe BR really did do all the staging. Who knows.

 

[Oddsocks]

To me, the mark on her arm looks like ringworm. Maybe a reason for not keeping the dog?

 

[mauidreemn]

I feel like the one biggest thing the CBS special opened my eyes to was that not all the little circumstantial things discovered have to be directly related to what happened the night she died, and one person didn't have to be responsible for all the things that happened that night.

My son is taking a forensics course this year and they had been studying this case prior to the CBS show. When he saw it, he said, "We never really seriously considered Burke because he would have been too small to carry her down the stairs." Many people assumed whoever killed her did everything else (ransom, carried her to the basement, changed her panties, etc.)

Also, she may have been a victim of different things at different times, but only one of her victimizers killed her. Sexually abused by one person. Pinched on the inside of her arm by another. And received repeated head strikes when she angered yet a third person.

Also, mark me as a person who never had a pediatrician EVER ask me about sex/sexuality/appropriate behavior, and certainly not when I was under 6 years old! Same for a pediatrician asking MY children. Never happened. I'd have pulled them from the practice if a male pediatrician asked how my 5 year-old daughter's sexual education was coming along. I'm in a "That's a Red Flag!" camp. The only way Jonbenet's doctors questions/notes wouldn't completely squick me out is if he's asking because Patsy has expressed concern to him that Jonbenet was possibly being sexually abused. But then it would be hinky that that info is not included in the notes.

JMO!

Pediatricians do not ask out right. None of us do. We look for symptoms, clues, etc. Vaginitis is easily explained and I still have prescription ointment for my kiddos. I trust what her pediatrician says. If we can't trust experts with a history with their client, who can we trust?

 

[CoreyRocks]

About all Jonbenet ' s accidents/injuries: if someone was jealous of the attention she was getting especially in the pageant program what better way to sabotage that than to mark her face.

Moo.

 

[Tortoise]

I did notice something else from looking at the basement pictures. There was a rug or blanket with the Mountaineers logo, and something else with WVU logo on it. Guess she went back home once in awhile, or Needs sent them to her. I hadn't noticed these years ago when I first reviewed the crime scene photos. I'm sure we are all still missing evidence that is right in our faces. I wonder why PR's shoe print was never found in the basement? I doubt if she went to the basement with bare feet or pantyhose on her feet. Maybe BR really did do all the staging. Who knows.

Christmas Eve they had been in and out of the wine cellar room taking presents up which had been hidden there, to put under the tree after the children were in bed. Their foot prints would have been everywhere in that house.

 

[mauidreemn]

A mother knows when her child is being abused irregardless of whether or not she consciously admits it. JMO

This is simply not true. And there isn't one single piece of evidence to suggest that Jonbenet was sexually abused

 

[CoreyRocks]

Pediatricians do not ask out right. None of us do. We look for symptoms, clues, etc. Vaginitis is easily explained and I still have prescription ointment for my kiddos. I trust what her pediatrician says. If we can't trust experts with a history with their client, who can we trust?

Jonbenet ' s pediatrician was prescribing medication for Patsy, an adult. Something fishy about that imho.

 

[mauidreemn]

I first saw Clemente on many special features on the Criminal Minds DVD's. He is consulted so that the show will depict accurate procedures in profiling. The show is a great success.

But he has had the same theory on the Jonbenet case for years. So you think he's going on a CBS special and change his mind or look at the case from a different point of view? Of course no, it would damage his credibility on every single case he's been involved in. Who would sink their career like this? Yeah, nobody

 

[mauidreemn]

Jonbenet ' s pediatrician was prescribing medication for Patsy, an adult. Something fishy about that imho.

Why is that fishy? My dentist prescribed meds when I had a cold sore. Lock him up!

 

[Magdalyn]

Completely agree. Can you imagine of any of us where questioned about every single mark or accident?

Nobody here that I've seen is talking about being questioned about 'every single mark or accident'. In this instance we're talking about a child who sustained head trauma 3 times in under 24 months. (And died of her 4th head trauma in 27 months). And Patsy *was* questioned about those instances of head trauma, and finger trauma, by a medical professional, which is why they are in the doctor's notes.

(As I'm sure you know), it's then up to the doctor, nurse, teacher, etc. whether the responses are satisfactory, make sense, was the injury witnessed, etc. The doctor (or other mandated professional) then decides if social services should look in to things.

All the questions are to protect the child, after all.

 

[mauidreemn]

Nobody here that I've seen is talking about being questioned about 'every single mark or accident'. In this instance we're talking about a child who sustained head trauma 3 times in under 24 months. (And died of her 4th head trauma in 27 months). And Patsy *was* questioned about those instances of head trauma, and finger trauma, by a medical professional, which is why they are in the doctor's notes.

(As I'm sure you know), it's then up to the doctor, nurse, teacher, etc. whether the responses are satisfactory, make sense, was the injury witnessed, etc. The doctor (or other mandated professional) then decides if social services should look in to things.

All the questions are to protect the child, after all.

Three times? Plus she is six years old.