The Case of JonBenet Ramsey-CBS Sept. 18 # 2

[ThinkHard]

In my opinion, Patsy aligns much more closely with narcissism then she dose antisocial personality disorder aka sociopath. Here's the criteria....

 

[ukrberserker23]

The real problem with PR is a grand sense of entitlement. She is the queen bee, and everyone else are drones. My father has the same disorder. Luckily, he worked for a natural gas company for 32 years before quitting. He believes he is supremely important, and it is everyone else's job to make him look good. If you take away his checkbook and credit cards, he is nobody. Thank God I am nothing like him. But then I am poor and honest.

 

[ThinkHard]

I think it's hard for us to imagine not having the normal emotions that most people have. The thing is, sociopaths have never felt those emotions so they don't know that their behavior is out of the norm. They can't feel what we feel so therefore they have no emotions (normal) to turn off and on. Patsy lived her life like she was in a movie. She did a fabulous job acting her way through life. She deserved an Oscar. When she needed to she would follow others cues and cry (fake) and "you raised Lazarus from the dead! Raise my baby from the dead too". Where she made her fatal flaw is overdoing the emotions. Burke doesn't give a flying flip whether his emotions are proper or not. Remember Burke said when his daddy told him JonBenet was in heaven he "sobbed and then cried" because his daddy was and probably was told to cry imho. Patsy was all about social status and being the center of attention. Which IMO is why she called her friends over. She wanted an audience. JMOO

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Ya I'm sure he sobbed and cried....but I'm guessing it wasn't when he was told about JB, it's when his parents were screaming at him over what he did to her.

 

[MaryMac250]

There is some evidence that might point toward the Ramseys. The ransom note needs explaining, for instance. Why they did not wake up when JB was taken from her bedroom (how close is her room to her parents?). Who's idea was it to ring the police since the ransom note specifically said not to under threat of death for JB.

But there is nothing connecting them to her killing - except theories - with next to no evidence.

I have already asked how it was that the parents stayed up for nearly 40 hours and no-one mentioned their condition at that time. People who think they did it, just don't want to look at these inconvenient flaws in telling the story. John and Patsy would have been paranoid Burke Ramsey would say something. Yet they sent him to a neighbors in the morning. Doesn't follow. Doesn't make sense. Having the narrow window as the only entry and exit. Why? Didn't the Ramsey house have any doors? This is ignored. The pineapple. I couldn't make out the picture on it's own. Looked like apples or pear pieces to me. Burke was looking intently at that pic trying to figure it out, not avoiding it. Burke was not with us watching the show prior to seeing the pic having it all explained to him by the forensics people. Like we were. Get it? We were manipulated as viewers. We were set up on that. Remember the woman said he was suspicious about it, and why did he avoid saying it was THE PINEAPPLES. Straight after we had it all explained to us. If I were him, I wouldn't have clearly known what the pic was either. They were dishonestly tricking the viewer. jmo

Just stuff like that.

You must be trolling for the defense team. I would believe that, but really....your questions are so easily answered by a more plausible explanation. More than anything you are frustrating.

So, John and Patsy would have been paranoid, afraid Burke would talk? Burke is going to say or not say what his parents tell him to...especially in this tense situation. Entry-exit business has been addressed ad nauseum. Guess what? Same answers. The pineapple.... Know why you couldn't make out the photo (not picture)? Because you are not Burke! He did identify the family table, blocked on answering about the pineapple. Yeah, for sure just your opinion. How old are you?

 

[MaryMac250]

Back to an earlier part of the discussion today. A. Thomas Kolar says in the chapter titled "The First Forty-eight" that Fleet White was interviewed by the Ramsey lawyers the afternoon of 12/27 and later in the day by Boulder PD investigators. He also gives extensive information in this chapter and others about Mike Bynum and how he figures into when the Ramseys sought legal advice. Also, Kolar indicates that Bynum had worked as a prosecutor.

 

[MaryMac250]

In my opinion, Patsy aligns much more closely with narcissism then she dose antisocial personality disorder aka sociopath. Here's the criteria....

Agree, but there can be more than one diagnosis on an axis.

 

[MaryMac250]

She strikes me as more of the bipolar and highly medicated type more so then she does the sociopath type. Her dissociation and apathy strike me more as "nobody's home" then "nobody cares".

Though I can see a personality disorder for sure....most likely narcissism.

But of course that's just my guess.

Just for discussion sake, she could have an axis I and an axis II disorder....or something with narcisstic features. That medication effect you are seeing is primarily minor tranquilizer effect....Valium, Ativan. Not a mood stabilizer.

 

[ThinkHard]

Agree, but there can be more than one diagnosis on an axis.

Agreed.

 

[Heymom]

I know this is a random picture and could mean nothing. But I couldn't help but notice the positioning of everyone in the photo.

JB is postioned btw her parent. Both girls are standing in front of their mothers. FW3 is close to his father....but Burke is pretty much as far away from his family as he can be....View attachment 102083

When was this taken? Maybe Burke was already in disgrace with his family - maybe they wanted some distance from him, he was in trouble for doing something cruel to his sister and they were angry with him?

 

[Heymom]

You must be trolling for the defense team. I would believe that, but really....your questions are so easily answered by a more plausible explanation. More than anything you are frustrating.

So, John and Patsy would have been paranoid, afraid Burke would talk? Burke is going to say or not say what his parents tell him to...especially in this tense situation. Entry-exit business has been addressed ad nauseum. Guess what? Same answers. The pineapple.... Know why you couldn't make out the photo (not picture)? Because you are not Burke! He did identify the family table, blocked on answering about the pineapple. Yeah, for sure just your opinion. How old are you?

Burke also gave himself up accidentally by stating on camera that he went downstairs alone after everyone had gone to bed "to play with a toy." WOOPS, I can imagine Lin Wood just off camera turning purple and motioning for Burke to STFU immediately! Burke just placed himself in the scene of the crime, out of the mouth of criminals comes their downfall.

 

[ThinkHard]

Every single glimpse we have been given of Burke he has given more then one thing about him away, directly or indirectly, that's and we only have 3 references. No wonder his parents have kept him hidden away and he works from home.

 

[ThinkHard]

You know it's interesting, the media has always portrayed the Ramsey's as victims, that they have been forced to live under a cloud of suspicion.

Yet they have never been cooperative with LE. I'd think if you were living under a cloud of suspicion, frustrated by it, and truly didn't know who killed your daughter, you'd want to be partners with LE, not enemies.

But if you were guilty of any if it, you would know your only hope to stay "free" was to cast dought, and deflect....in others words just keep the waters so murky, no one can see through. The cloud of suspicion just being part of the package they had to learn to accept.

 

[PositiveLight]

Every single glimpse we have been given of Burke he has given more then one thing about him away, directly or indirectly, that's and we only have 3 references. No wonder his parents have kept him hidden away and he works from home.

I have to agree TH! I can only imagine what Woods face must have been like during the Dr.P interview! They need to just let it be. I would hope that Wood is smart enough to know that if Burke has to defend himself in a court atmosphere that their boat will sink like the Titanic. Even if he's just sitting at the defense table, the jury would see right through him.

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[PositiveLight]

Burke also gave himself up accidentally by stating on camera that he went downstairs alone after everyone had gone to bed "to play with a toy." WOOPS, I can imagine Lin Wood just off camera turning purple and motioning for Burke to STFU immediately! Burke just placed himself in the scene of the crime, out of the mouth of criminals comes their downfall.

[emoji23]

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[ZsaZsa]

I don't think BR had ANY problem recognizing what was in this bowl - https://www.bing.com/images/search?...ba622a530ff709b9feb19fo0&mode=overlay&first=1 he was just having difficulty admitting to it... My eyesight's not that great but this is clearly pineapples.

 

[bonjoviblonde]

At this point, I don't understand how anyone can defend the IDI standpoint 😕

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Maybe they are the Casey Anthony jurors. :dunno:

 

[wildebeest]

For ThinkHard:

http://www.acandyrose.com/jonbenetindex.htm

Hope this helps, it has lots of info, and explains who is who :findinglink:

 

[PositiveLight]

I don't think BR had ANY problem recognizing what was in this bowl - https://www.bing.com/images/search?...ba622a530ff709b9feb19fo0&mode=overlay&first=1 he was just having difficulty admitting to it... My eyesight's not that great but this is clearly pineapples.

I'm half blind too and I can see what it is! Lol

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[PositiveLight]

Maybe they are the Casey Anthony jurors. :dunno:

Hahahaha! Good point though.

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[ThinkHard]

Does anyone else think the Whites now the whole story but can't just state that for liability reasons, so they do what they can to see that any inquiries are moving forward. They figure in time, the truth will prevail.

There efforts to seek justice almost feel more in line with what I would think of a more parental response. But perhaps that's just me.