The Case of JonBenet Ramsey-CBS Sept. 18 # 2

[doubtingthomas]

I just saw the skull picture of JBR on acandyrose.com website. I know the reenactment showed using a flashlight but the hole looked big enough to possibly be an iron from a golf bag. The golf bag was in the basement also. Any thoughts on this?

 

[doubtingthomas]

Does anyone else think the Whites now the whole story but can't just state that for liability reasons, so they do what they can to see that any inquiries are moving forward. They figure in time, the truth will prevail.

There efforts to seek justice almost feel more in line with what I would think of a more parental response. But perhaps that's just me.

I do. They were their closest friends until thrown under the bus. I believe they know exactly what happened. Hope they are someday able to let the rest of the world know.

 

[TeaTime]

Let's see. Was PR mentally ill? Hmmm. She was from Nowhere, WV, had been in beauty pageants since age 13, valedictorian of her high school class, earned a degree in journalism, had been crowned Miss West Virginia and participated in the Miss America pageant which is televised world-wide and all before her 25th birthday which occurred about 6 weeks after she married a millionaire with an ex-wife and 3 kids but who was rising like a rocket in the new, exploding tech industry and on his way to wealth.

I think she was driven, but not mentally ill.

Anyone who achieves so much so early in life has learned to compartmentalize. I assure you, no one can allow distractions or criticism to rule their lives and succeedas she did.. Apparently PR was the one who lived the meme we all see on fb - let go of anything or anyone negative in your life. She was able to cut ties with anyone at any time. Okay, no one was going to stand in her way. Of course she was a narcissist. Most high achievers are.

I have to wonder how fast her head spun when she was uprooted from gorgeous, southern, sophisticated, cultured, lead-crystal Atlanta and plopped into the uber-liberal, hippy haven of Boulder where the men do not even wear ironed shirts, much less starched ones, the women wear men's cloths and no one wears make-up. Horrifying. But, ever the trooper that she was, she would 'deal' with it.

It was a lot like Scarlett O'Hara living in Frank Kennedy's saw mill.


And, like poor Scarlett, everything she did was a means to an end and the end was money and all the comes with being wealthy. I can't imagine why a southern beauty pageant winner would or should settle for anything other than the most glamorous life they could grab. Then, cancer. A bad one. And she had little kids and her crazy mother moved in with her to raise the kids and she lost all of her estrogen at about age 37.

Her glamorous life is in her past. Her life is now her husband's business and her kids' activities but the husband is never home and the kids are using their beds as toilets. Her big bash 40th birthday party was over and her husband gave her a bicycle for Christmas. (Imagine Rhett giving Scarlett a plow) This is the same woman who wanted to wear a mink coat to appear on CNN draped in diamonds.

She lived for 10 years being suspected of cracking her child's skull open over bed wetting, refused to cooperate with LE and lied about the events of the 25th and morning of the 26th until the day she died. Her mind was strong. No mental illness.

 

[RL2]

Let's see. Was PR mentally ill? Hmmm. She was from Nowhere, WV, had been in beauty pageants since age 13, valedictorian of her high school class, earned a degree in journalism, had been crowned Miss West Virginia and participated in the Miss America pageant which is televised world-wide and all before her 25th birthday which occurred about 6 weeks after she married a millionaire with an ex-wife and 3 kids but who was rising like a rocket in the new, exploding tech industry and on his way to wealth.

I think she was driven, but not mentally ill.

Anyone who achieves so much so early in life has learned to compartmentalize. I assure you, no one can allow distractions or criticism to rule their lives and succeedas she did.. Apparently PR was the one who lived the meme we all see on fb - let go of anything or anyone negative in your life. She was able to cut ties with anyone at any time. Okay, no one was going to stand in her way. Of course she was a narcissist. Most high achievers are.

I have to wonder how fast her head spun when she was uprooted from gorgeous, southern, sophisticated, cultured, lead-crystal Atlanta and plopped into the uber-liberal, hippy haven of Boulder where the men do not even wear ironed shirts, much less starched ones, the women wear men's cloths and no one wears make-up. Horrifying. But, ever the trooper that she was, she would 'deal' with it.

It was a lot like Scarlett O'Hara living in Frank Kennedy's saw mill.


And, like poor Scarlett, everything she did was a means to an end and the end was money and all the comes with being wealthy. I can't imagine why a southern beauty pageant winner would or should settle for anything other than the most glamorous life they could grab. Then, cancer. A bad one. And she had little kids and her crazy mother moved in with her to raise the kids and she lost all of her estrogen at about age 37.

Her glamorous life is in her past. Her life is now her husband's business and her kids' activities but the husband is never home and the kids are using their beds as toilets. Her big bash 40th birthday party was over and her husband gave her a bicycle for Christmas. (Imagine Rhett giving Scarlett a plow) This is the same woman who wanted to wear a mink coat to appear on CNN draped in diamonds.

She lived for 10 years being suspected of cracking her child's skull open over bed wetting, refused to cooperate with LE and lied about the events of the 25th and morning of the 26th until the day she died. Her mind was strong. No mental illness.

WOW. This was good..

 

[Heymom]

I just saw the skull picture of JBR on acandyrose.com website. I know the reenactment showed using a flashlight but the hole looked big enough to possibly be an iron from a golf bag. The golf bag was in the basement also. Any thoughts on this?

Many of us at the time believed that Burke could easily have grabbed a golf club and whacked JBR over the head. The flashlight was Spitz' pet theory, and I guess Chief Kolar went with that too. We also thought that Pam Paugh had successfully gotten John's golf bag out of the house during her evidence raid, but now I read here that she was never allowed into the basement (thank God!). So if one of the clubs had been used and then cleaned, hopefully LE would have found that and put it into the evidence category.

 

[Heymom]

Does anyone else think the Whites now the whole story but can't just state that for liability reasons, so they do what they can to see that any inquiries are moving forward. They figure in time, the truth will prevail.

There efforts to seek justice almost feel more in line with what I would think of a more parental response. But perhaps that's just me.

Yes, of course. They testified in front of the GJ and I believe they told the GJ everything they knew at the time, and I believe they knew plenty. Pretty sure Fleet and Patrician White are seeing justice for JonBenet, even after 20 years. I hate how the Ramseys treated them, and yes, I am sure they are still under threat of lawsuit.

 

[PositiveLight]

you know it's interesting, the media has always portrayed the ramsey's as victims, that they have been forced to live under a cloud of suspicion.

Yet they have never been cooperative with le. I'd think if you were living under a cloud of suspicion, frustrated by it, and truly didn't know who killed your daughter, you'd want to be partners with le, not enemies.

But if you were guilty of any if it, you would know your only hope to stay "free" was to cast dought, and deflect....in others words just keep the waters so murky, no one can see through. The cloud of suspicion just being part of the package they had to learn to accept.

amen!

 

[PositiveLight]

Does anyone else think the Whites now the whole story but can't just state that for liability reasons, so they do what they can to see that any inquiries are moving forward. They figure in time, the truth will prevail.

There efforts to seek justice almost feel more in line with what I would think of a more parental response. But perhaps that's just me.

I completely agree. It is refreshing that someone cares enough to keep pushing.

 

[PositiveLight]

I just saw the skull picture of JBR on acandyrose.com website. I know the reenactment showed using a flashlight but the hole looked big enough to possibly be an iron from a golf bag. The golf bag was in the basement also. Any thoughts on this?

It very well could be. I don't think it was the bat though. I could see a golf club fitting in the depression. Plus it wouldn't be the first time she was hit by burke with a golf club.

 

[Sparko96]

I would say anyone who wrote a fake RN like Patsy is more than a little insane. MOO.


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[Heymom]

I would say anyone who wrote a fake RN like Patsy is more than a little insane. MOO.


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I would like to think that faced with a horrible event like Patsy and John faced that night, I would make better choices. But under stress, all of us would look that crazy, trying to lie and hide and keep from telling the truth. Regardless of what they did, their previous life effectively ended on 12/25/96. I guess they took the action that they thought would preserve what was left of their family. Unless perhaps John put Patsy up to it, knowing that he had a lot more to lose if the previous sexual abuse were found and exposed. Unless Burke comes forward after his father dies, we just will never know.

 

[RL2]

I would say anyone who wrote a fake RN like Patsy is more than a little insane. MOO.

Completely delusional to think anyone would believe it...
oh, wait, I guess some people did

 

[carolinea]

Her mind was strong. No mental illness.

Sociopathic tendencies are more common in high achievers than in "typical" people.

A few interesting articles:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/victorl...ween-psychopathy-and-leadership/#287d9f332740

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffber...ome-psychopaths-make-great-ceos/#21efc5e44fac

 

[wildebeest]

Does anyone else think the Whites now the whole story but can't just state that for liability reasons, so they do what they can to see that any inquiries are moving forward. They figure in time, the truth will prevail.

There efforts to seek justice almost feel more in line with what I would think of a more parental response. But perhaps that's just me.

Have always thought Fleet White was the key to solving the case. He and JR were as close as brothers, until the abrupt ending of their friendship, not long after the murder.

Why is he fearful of telling what he knows?

IMHO

 

[DeDee]

Meet 6yo Beth Thomas. She rung the necks of newborn baby birds. She stuck pins into her pet animals b/c she wanted to kill them. She stuck pins in her younger brother. He complained of stomach ailments. Beth admits to kicking him in his stomach and private parts. She stole two knives from the kitchen b/c she wanted to kill her adoptive parents in the dark so they could not see her.

[video=youtube;H55Oz92Kh-A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aGNbl7Nx-A[/video]

I do believe that BR did terrible tortuous things to JonBenet before her death and possibly had done so for years. That would account for her not feeling pretty at the Christmas Party on Dec 23. BR was likely highly verbally abusive toward JBR. She was the apple of her daddy's eye. The housekeeper wrote that JonBenet was the only sunshine in the house. JBs performance in pageants wasn't her only accomplishment. People of all ages liked JonBenet.

There's a pic of JBR wearing the red and white sundress where her shin has red markings similar to the railroad track prong skin damage she suffered at death. Poking her with train tracks and who knows what else was something BR did to her, possibly on a continual basis. We've also seen bruises on her arms where someone hurt JonBenet with painful pinches. He put his poop on her box of chocolates which is a very odd assault-type behavior.
:cow: BR planned this horrific assault. He did not want her on the Big Red Boat Cruise. He didn't want her to win any more beauty pageants. Often, I'd thought the RN was written, in advance, due to it's length. There are missing pages from the legal pad that was used and disposed of. BR was not ruled out as the writer.

BR likely suffers from, among other conditions, disassociation disorder due to lack of bonding or sexual abuse. BR does not trust people. His mother was hysterical over her missing daughter and he gives the psychiatrist a :giggle:

JonBenet received a gold bracelet from her mother on the 23rd so she could wear it for their Christmas Party. One aunt gave her the gold chain with the cross that became matted in her hair with the paint stick. Burke likely did not receive such golden keepsakes. Maybe he was angry b/c wanted a Rolex.

 

[ukrberserker23]

Just wanted to throw this out there. Has anyone ever realized that the 911 operator, and the Ramsey's pilot, have the same last name? Could it be possible they are related?

 

[Madge_Ick_Dike]

Just wanted to throw this out there. Has anyone ever realized that the 911 operator, and the Ramsey's pilot, have the same last name? Could it be possible they are related?

I THOUGHT I WAS CRAZY I thought that too!

 

[Frigga]

IIRC- they commented during the show that there was no relation.

 

[BBB167893]

It's funny how RDI always chooses a dead person whose DNA can't be tested.

And can't SUE.

 

[RL2]

Just wanted to throw this out there. Has anyone ever realized that the 911 operator, and the Ramsey's pilot, have the same last name? Could it be possible they are related?

I noticed the same...