The Case of JonBenet Ramsey-CBS Sept. 18 # 3

[BoldBear]

This one is important question.

Any reports about blood from her private parts earlier?

blood on panties? towels? pull-ups?

All blood found was from her. There were two drops of blood on her underwear. There was a drop of blood on her pillowcase in her bedroom (may or may not be connected to that night). I can't remember if there was a drop of blood on her pink nighty.

From the autopsy (acandyrose): "On the anterior aspect of the perineum, along the edges of closure of the labia majora, is a small amount of dried blood. A similar small amount of dried and semifluid blood is present on the skin of the fourchette and in the vestibule."

The pull-up thing is speculation on my part. If she was bleeding down there, a temporary solution could be pull-ups to stop the blood from staining the sheets. Of course if they ever found pull-ups with blood, we'd have an instant connection to a caregiver.

 

[Cottonstar]

There were at least two blood stains on the pink nightgown and also two spots of blood on the white sequin shirt she was wearing.

There also was a bottle of 409 or other type of cleaning solution bottle in the dining room where the pineapple bowl was found.


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[BoldBear]

Watching the Smithsonian Channel tonight. Mummies Alive: The Pharaoh's Secret, Season 1, Episode 6. They're talking about the demise of Seqenenre Tao. In this episode they talk about what weapons were used to create the holes in his skull. It really doesn't have much to do with JB other than archaeologists trying to understand how a pharaoh died by having his skull as evidence. They speculate about what weapons caused the holes.

 

[Tadpole12]

"OMG What did you find?"

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This exacerbates the already serious problem of inaccurate police transcripts providing misleading evidence to juries."

 

[UKGuy]

All blood found was from her. There were two drops of blood on her underwear. There was a drop of blood on her pillowcase in her bedroom (may or may not be connected to that night). I can't remember if there was a drop of blood on her pink nighty.

From the autopsy (acandyrose): "On the anterior aspect of the perineum, along the edges of closure of the labia majora, is a small amount of dried blood. A similar small amount of dried and semifluid blood is present on the skin of the fourchette and in the vestibule."

The pull-up thing is speculation on my part. If she was bleeding down there, a temporary solution could be pull-ups to stop the blood from staining the sheets. Of course if they ever found pull-ups with blood, we'd have an instant connection to a caregiver.

archieil,

All blood found was from her. There were two drops of blood on her underwear. There was a drop of blood on her pillowcase in her bedroom (may or may not be connected to that night). I can't remember if there was a drop of blood on her pink nighty.

Margoo's copy of Why_Nut's screen capture

LAB CLASS XX???-2136(?)-4153(?) SECTION: DNA TESTING
AGENCY(?) NAME – CD0878136 – F2 ACBLDER(?)
EXTRACTED(?) BY: blacked out EXTRACTION DATE: 123196(?)
ABSTRACT(X) AFA(?) ?/? ??? (would this be the control sample?)
RAMSEY, PATSY W/F
RAMSEY, JOHN W/M
RAMSEY, JONBENET W/F

Two lines BLACKED OUT
DATE COMPLETED/JANUARY 13, 1997
EXTRACT(?) DESCRIPTION
#5A,5B# (?) Bloodstains from shirt
#7 Bloodstains from panties
#14B Bloodstain ????? from JonBenet Ramsey
#14J DNA? Or Swab? with Saliva????
#14L, #14M Right and Left hand fingernails from JonBenet Ramsey
#15A, #15B Samples from tape
Bloodstains from white blanket
#17A, #17C Bloodstains from nightgown??
#13A, #13B Semen ??? stain from black blanket
Bloodstain Standard from John Andrew Ramsey

Its a quiet night so we can review the bloodstain evidence on the nightgown along with the touch-dna:

Foreign Faction, Who Really Kidnapped JonBenet, James Kolar, page 414, Excerpt

Horita indicated that Touch DNA testing had discovered traces of genetic material on the pink Barbie nightgown found in the Wine Cellar with the body of JonBenét. This Touch DNA belonged to Patsy and Burke Ramsey.

So that's JonBenet's blood on the nightgown and her shirt, see bolded above, along with Burke's touch-dna on the nightgown.

At the top of the bed is the pink pajama top JonBenet wore the night before, just consider how untidy the crime-scene is?

Zoom In on the top:

So who thinks JonBenet was staged in her bedroom wearing the pink barbie nightgown, which replaced the pink pajama set, e.g. at this point JonBenet is minus her size-6 underwear and pink pajama bottoms as the stager knows they are bloodstained and possibly have dna deposits from her assailant?

Here are the size-12's

Here are Burke's Longjohns

There should not be blood on the nightgown nor should it be in the wine-cellar, e.g. big hint its just a dumping location?

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[fr brown]

Good point, however I don't think Patsy was being completely honest about her tea drinking habits. She made her comments at a time when they were still trying to sell the idea that an intruder had fed JB pineapple, and maybe made himself some tea. Patsy said that nobody in the family drank tea except Burke. "Burke was the tea drinker" she said. So how does a 9 year old boy become a "tea drinker" when nobody else in the family drinks tea? I'm a tea drinker, but only because my English parents were avid tea drinkers. Bottom line, that was probably Patsy's tea, maybe to help her stay awake during a long night of staging?

Patsy drank tea during her first interview. Tom Trujillo slyly pointed this out for the record. First he asked her if she wanted to break to have a glass of water. When she declined he said, "Got a little of your tea left."

 

[Userid]

Patsy drank tea during her first interview. Tom Trujillo slyly pointed this out for the record. First he asked her if she wanted to break to have a glass of water. When she declined he said, "Got a little of your tea left."

I never knew this, thank you. This would comical, if it wasn't connected to something so tragic.

 

[southernmimi]

I never knew this, thank you. This would comical, if it wasn't connected to something so tragic.

Much of what the Ramsey team did and said wasn't completely legit. No one can remember all their lies and embellishments...including them. If it was important enough to be deceptive about it... then it was important. Everyone wins except little Jonbenet...and maybe even she did in the long run.

 

[StopWafflingAboutIt]

My apologies for kind of "re-posting" this, but it's my theory du jour that I initially dashed off on the fly. I've re-written to clarify, and I would really like to hear if it can be debunked:

At some later point after eating a piece or two of pineapple, JB and BR got into an altercation and BR hit JB on the head with the heavy flashlight. Unlike any previous times he had hit her, she went down and didn't move. At age 9, he may or may not have understood she was unconscious. Whatever he thought was going on, he most likely was scared of her waking up screaming and crying which would bring one or both his parents downstairs and he'd get in trouble for hitting her.

So he got hold of her by the back of her nightshirt and tried to drag her (because he couldn't lift her). This could have been (1) from the kitchen downstairs to the basement (if the altercation happened in the kitchen), or (2) from one place in the basement to another (ending up in the "wine cellar"). His reason would be to hide her until she woke up.

Trying to drag her by the nightshirt was not working too well (but it caused the triangular red mark on front of her neck). So he got the cording and put it around her neck in a slipknot (typical knot a kid would use for just about anything) and tried to drag her that way, but the cording kept slipping through his hands.

So he wrapped the other end of the cording around the piece of paintbrush handle to make a "grip" for his hands. [Or it's possible the cord with paintbrush grip was already lying around in the basement, having been made and used for something else.] He was then able to drag her body (including possibly down the stairs) to a place where his parents wouldn't immediately see her. The effect of this dragging tightened the cord around her neck and effectively strangled her although he was not aware of that.

He waited around a while for her to wake up. Possibly he engaged in some sexual curiosity -- she was asleep and wouldn't know .... He poked her a couple of times with the train track trying to wake her up, but that didn't work. So he got a blanket and put over her, either to try to kind of keep her warm or possibly to help hide her in case the parents looked.

And went upstairs to bed because he didn't know what else to do. Scared to go wake up his parents because whatever was wrong with her was his fault since he hit her. And he probably stayed in bed, scared stiff, when all heck broke loose, until whatever point he finally came downstairs. At some point shortly thereafter, he confessed to his parents about hitting her and then hiding her, and they came up with their plan for the ransom note and whatnot to try to protect him.

I thought his behavior during the Dr Phil interview/s was clearly nervous, but what struck me was that his smiling was "appeasing", like a dog that tore up the living room while you were gone and knows it's in trouble but doesn't really understand why. I don't think he meant to kill his sister -- I do think he hit her out of an in-the-moment rage reaction and had no idea what he'd done or that his following efforts to move and hide her ended up effectively sealing the issue and killing her (although the blow would have apparently resulted in her death anyway).

Her body had abrasions on the back consistent with having been dragged, and any of the adults could have/would likely have picked her up and carried her rather than drag her.

How many of the actual elements of JB's death does this satisfy?

i have heard of this before and do very well believe that its true. correct me if im wrong, but the ransom note had actually been found to have been from a notepad and pen found in the house, written by the mom i believe.