The couch issue - and painting the walls

[CN2Souls]

Which is why I do not believe the house was a scene of anything known to Billie.

She went on national TV, local news allowed people in her home and let them take photo's. I do not believe she would have done any of that is she was aware the house was a scene of a crime. Also the hardwood floors in Haileys room are worn in photos they would quickly absorb blood and it would not be able to be removed from the floors. I am of the thought that nothing happened to Hailey in the house. If LE had any evidence of a death at all (which i dont believe) that house would have been torn apart.

I lived in house that once was the scene of a murder suicide in 1975 or about, and in 1992 you could still see blood in the hard wood. Years of scubbing, soaking ,bleaching had not rid the wood of it.

My moms hardwood floors have my blood on them from a cut and we clean that up instantly so it would not stain ,it still stained.

People can die without shedding one drop of blood. Strangulation and suffocation to name a few.

 

[Quiche]

Sorry, but I'm not thinkin' blood when it comes to those couch cushions.

 

[swedie]

Sorry, but I'm not thinkin' blood when it comes to those couch cushions.

I really wasn't either Quiche. But if it held semen from SA, it wouldn't be proof enough to link to HD being sexually assaulted there unless they also found her DNA (vaginal fluid) and there was probably lotsa that. I wonder if they somehow have HD's DNA? Her mother's DNA would somewhat match hers. So BD's bodily fluids could also maybe be found in the material. There could be DNA from all of them including other people who were in the house.

Other then what Soul posted regarding pictures, I don't think the couch is that important to have as evidence. LE may have considered that from very early on and decided it wasn't as valuable as evidence, compared to what they may have.

If you consider all the cases like this one and how LE have handled these, would we think LE did a great job of collecting evidence? Just curious. :waitasec: With the TS case here in Canada, we do not know what evidence LE have and there has been no trial yet, but from the little bit that did come out in the media, I believe they did a fabulous job and where very dedicated. JMHO

 

[scorekeeper]

If LE thought there was "evidence" on/in the couch, why wouldn't they have taken it during one of their searches? I can't see them "sneaking" around to get the couch.

They took the sheets from Hailey's bed.
JMO

 

[Adrienne37]

From the way it sounded, they wouldn't have had to sneak very much to get the couch since it supposedly sat in the back of a truck for a day or 2 IIRC.



~jmo~

 

[tehcloser]

You would think they would have taken it. (LE) But the couch and rumors of the couch just put a neon sign on it that says "HEY!!!! Look at me!!!!" If there was nothing to the couch, one story (the simple truth) would have been enough. As it is we have 68796094.

 

[Nana46]

You would think they would have taken it. (LE) But the couch and rumors of the couch just put a neon sign on it that says "HEY!!!! Look at me!!!!" If there was nothing to the couch, one story (the simple truth) would have been enough. As it is we have 68796094.

What Teh said.....totally........freaking couch. I dream about this stupid couch,lol.:banghead:

 

[gypsyblue]

I definately think the couch was in the photos.... sigh

 

[Pink Panther]

LE seems to have missed the boat on the couch. Sadly, I think that is the case. We have photos of it in SA's truck with the police cruiser in front of it. The defence will certainly have a field day with this...

Makes me sad that no one from LE had their wits about them right at the moment when they should have!

I'm quickly and steadily losing faith in LE or whoever else (FBI and who-hoo Texas Rangers) to be able to solve this case. We are all watching from "outside" and like the Scott Peterson and Casey Anthony cases it's all just too obvious for belief!

moo

 

[Pink Panther]

You would think they would have taken it. (LE) But the couch and rumors of the couch just put a neon sign on it that says "HEY!!!! Look at me!!!!" If there was nothing to the couch, one story (the simple truth) would have been enough. As it is we have 68796094.

Yep. Sad isn't it? I don't think that they got the couch and am starting to think that they didn't "catch" much else either. Makes me mad because it isn't a question of manpower. It's a question of TRAINED brains. I don't see evidence of this anywhere in this investigation.

moo

 

[yllek]

I, like others, am mostly suspicious that the couch, the walls, the poster that was seized from Billie's bedroom, the masks, the xbox... and other confiscated objects may be featured in some incriminating images (and the xbox used to view said images).

It could be that getting the new couches just happened to coincide with Hailey going MISSING. But, that in itself is just as incriminating, imo. If your MISSING child had slept on that couch for years before going MISSING, would you part with it right after she went MISSING if you loved your daughter, wanted her home, and wanted to be reminded of her existence in the home as you desperately prayed for her return? I don't know of anyone who would. Most people would say eff the new couch, Hailey's couch stays! Most brothers would not bother their sister about bringing a hand me down couch over to her house within days of her child (his own niece) going MISSING. It ain't right, I tell ya...

I think LE may have taken the cushions first for processing (like WOO said months ago), then Billie's brother came to the rescue with a new sofa for her to grieve upon, and that's when the couch frames were moved and the many tales of the wandering couch began. We have heard 3 entirely different stories about where the couches ended up and who took them. If it was an innocent couch swap, no need for the lies.

Could be that LE didn't care much about the couch because they are foolish or because it is truly insignificant. If LE didn't take it, could also be that they wanted to see what Billie and company would do with the couch once LE saw it was hauled outside. Who would help her get rid of it? Where would they take it? LE was watching at this point; this was after electronics were seized and the NYE party. If I was LE, I would sure want to know who would offer to help Billie and Shawn transport and dispose of something they no longer wanted. At this point, LE had all kinds of incriminating information on the mother and her boyfriend.

The question of "why would Billie go on tv and allow her house to be filmed if her house was a crime scene?" is a legitimate one. Why would she bother redecorating if LE had seen the house and likely has some photos of it in its original state? - also a good question. Good legitimate questions if we were talking about anyone other than Billie Dunn, imo. Why would Billie go on Nancy Grace and tell the country that Shawn came home from work at 3:00 on 12/27, knowing that the lie would be revealed? Why would Billie Dunn say she was done with Shawn Adkins and all of the eyewitnesses who claimed otherwise were slanderous, only to then admit they were "hanging out" and "comforting each other"? Why would Billie Dunn lie to police and say that Shawn Adkins wasn't in her house and invite them to search it, knowing Shawn was indeed in the house?... Why would Billie Dunn take out a No Trespass Order on someone and then sneak out to meet with him the very next day? Why did Casey Anthony take LE on a tour of the Universal Studios offices? Some people live paycheck to paycheck, doing whatever it takes to get by without the luxury of worrying too much about future finances. Other, less admirable people, live lie to lie, without worrying too much about the truth coming out; lying and cheating is their currency. There's always another lie to cover the last one. They are smart and everyone else is slanderous in expressing their idiotic opinions...

Billie thinks if she gets rid of things and changes things up then what was originally there will be gone and forgotten; end of story, imo... She thinks everyone else will think like she does and forget too. That scares me for Hailey. She is gone; what words or actions has her mother expressed that leads us to believe she would do anything to have her child back (either one of her children, for that matter)?

I believe LE knows that the living room was the scene of a crime (a sex crime, and certainly drug-related crimes) and I believe Shawn videotaped some rancid acts wherever he went. I would be shocked if Billie's house wasn't the scene of some nasty home made movies (aside from just the one she admitted to, after LE saw it). JMO, but Billie Dunn didn't get an itch to upgrade furniture and paint walls because she was so distraught, nor is she the Martha Stewart type, imo. Change of scenery...

P.s. IIRC, the only people that claim the couches were sitting outside in the truck for days (while LE was in and out of the house) are Billie and her internet posting friends. I have seen one photo - not different ones with different date stamps. It might be true that the couch was overlooked and sat their right under LE's noses for days on end, but I'm not taking it as fact considering the sources...

All JMO and I know I need to get off this dang couch - I wish it would quit nagging at me!:crazy:

 

[CN2Souls]

:truce:

Please don't throw things at me!

BUT

If you watch this video,
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=343086


You will see that BD's House has many couches inside of it,

Also after watching ALL of BD's :headache: interviews,

I seem to have a count of over 4 couches that BD has....:banghead:

Granted the video is old BUT, as you can see she decorates with couches on every wall.
and it looks like 2 living rooms...

I sure hope LE has gotten evidence from all of these couches...

 

[scorekeeper]

:truce:

Please don't throw things at me!

BUT

If you watch this video,
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=343086


You will see that BD's House has many couches inside of it,

Also after watching ALL of BD's :headache: interviews,

I seem to have a count of over 4 couches that BD has....:banghead:

Granted the video is old BUT, as you can see she decorates with couches on every wall.
and it looks like 2 living rooms...

I sure hope LE has gotten evidence from all of these couches...

Oh, Lordy, Lordy.......won't throw anything at you that will hurt!!illowfight:
:floorlaugh:

But that means there was a couch for each person..........:waitasec: I don't recall a couch being listed as an item removed....but then again LE hasn't told us everything. :banghead:

 

[Jacie Estes]

:truce:

Please don't throw things at me!

BUT

If you watch this video,
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=343086


You will see that BD's House has many couches inside of it,

Also after watching ALL of BD's :headache: interviews,
I seem to have a count of over 4 couches that BD has....:banghead:

Granted the video is old BUT, as you can see she decorates with couches on every wall.
and it looks like 2 living rooms...

I sure hope LE has gotten evidence from all of these couches...

BBM You're a brave person. I truly hope that the time stamp is wrong and that video wasn't taken at 3something in the a.m.

 

[Soulmagent]

:truce:

Please don't throw things at me!

BUT

If you watch this video,
http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=343086


You will see that BD's House has many couches inside of it,

Also after watching ALL of BD's :headache: interviews,

I seem to have a count of over 4 couches that BD has....:banghead:

Granted the video is old BUT, as you can see she decorates with couches on every wall.
and it looks like 2 living rooms...

I sure hope LE has gotten evidence from all of these couches...

OFF topic relating to this video.

At a point in this video arround 3:10 ,It appears to me Billie cannot say a word and switches that word for another word. Am I reading to much into it? I am not implying anything. I just asking if anyone thinks she sounded odd right then.

 

[Soulmagent]

i TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU ELS.. i COULD DEFINITELY SEE THEM MOVING IN ANOTHER COUCH WHEN sa MOVED INTO THE HOME{Especially given that as CN stated that she counted BD as having 4 couches in that home}..So..I'd say it is quite possibly the same couch in both photos..

My question is this the same couch that was gotten rid of?{I never saw the pic of couches in front of the home}..and was it couches? or a couch that was gotten rid of?

TIA..

Yes that was the couch on back of the truck in the photo's.

 

[grandmaj]

We can't do screen shots... just link to pictures please. Copyright.

 

[hollyblue]

HEY MEDIA......................ask LE about the couches!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Curious Me]

This cold explain the painting and redecorating Hailey's room and livingroom.
Make it allot harder to prove the pics (?) came from those rooms.

BBM Such good thinking, passionflower.

 

[swedie]

I did find the picture that I spoke of in another post, with the big brown stain on it. I thought it was the couch BD had hauled away, but it's not, it's another couch with similar fabric. I had mentioned that yes the couch was probably in rough shape and that's why BD took her brothers old one. Seems BD has had her share of couches. I don't know how to share photos other then to make them attachments. If you click on the picture, it will enlarge it for you. HTH.