The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 11th -12th June - Trial Days 2 & 3 - Week 1

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I'm stuck in the office today, so have this running beside me. Makes it very hard to concentrate on the other type of work I'm supposed to be doing...! ;)

Doc I am picturing you performing surgery & intermittently requesting theatre nurse to 'refresh' rather than 'suction' :drumroll:

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Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou

The next witness is Gabrielle Cadioli, who worked as a receptionist at Gerard's Century 21 Westside. #badenclay

Ms Cadioli said she remembers the day Toni McHugh left. Toni and Gerard went for coffee and Gerard returned and said she wouldn't be back.



Toni sent a group email and Gerard spoke to each person individually. #badenclay

Ms Cadioli on Allison: She was happy. She was in a really good mood. (April 19, 2012) #badenclay

Ms Cadioli said she was aware Allison wouldn't be back in the office until Tuesday. She had a real estate conference the next day (Fri).



Cadioli: Gerard said he'd been having an affair with Toni but it was over. #badenclay

Cadioli: I was asked to remove anything in the office pertaining to Toni McHugh. Because Allison would be coming into the office. #badenclay

Ms Cadioli said Gerard told her he loved Toni but the affair was over. #badenclay http://bit.ly/badenclayday2

Ms Cadioli says Allison was in training on April 19, 2012, and had a hair appointment that afternoon. #badenclay
 
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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou
Ms Cadioli said Gerard told her he loved Toni but the affair was over. #badenclay http://bit.ly/badenclayday2

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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou
Cadioli: I was asked to remove anything in the office pertaining to Toni McHugh. Because Allison would be coming into the office. #badenclay


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What a horrible position to be placed in by your employer! jmo
 
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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou
Ms Cadioli said she was aware Allison wouldn't be back in the office until Tuesday. She had a real estate conference the next day (Fri).

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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou
Ms Cadioli on Allison: She was happy. She was in a really good mood. (April 19, 2012) #badenclay

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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou
Ms Cadioli says Allison was in training on April 19, 2012, and had a hair appointment that afternoon. #badenclay
 
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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou
Ms Swalwell: (Gerard) was very nice to me. #badenclay

And why not??? What's so important about it for the questioner/witness?
Certainly GBC was always extra nice to other women - that fit's the type of man. IMO
 
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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou
Ms Cadioli was employed at the agency around April 2011. Gerard was the real estate principal. #badenclay
 
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Ms Cadioli was employed at the agency around April 2011. Gerard was the real estate principal. #badenclay

Ms Cadioli said Allison had spoken to her about suffering anxiety and depression. She worried she had passed it on to her girls. #badenclay


Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 1m

Ms Cadioli said Allison had spoken to her about suffering anxiety and depression. She worried she had passed it on to her girls. #badenclay

Ms Cadioli: It wasn't an emotional conversation, it wasn't a happy conversation, it was just a conversation. #badenclay

Ms Cadioli said she spoke to Gerard the day Allison disappeared. He sounded "dreadful". #badenclay
 
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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou
Ms Cadioli: It wasn't an emotional conversation, it wasn't a happy conversation, it was just a conversation. #badenclay


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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou
Ms Cadioli said Allison had spoken to her about suffering anxiety and depression. She worried she had passed it on to her girls. #badenclay
 
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Tessa Scott ‏@TessaScott9 3m

Century 21 sec tells of day Toni McHugh stopped work. Says G told staff he'd been having affair and still loved her. @abcnews #badenclay

#badenclay told receptionist the affair had ceased and Toni wouldn't be back. Then Allison started working there. @9NewsBrisbane
 
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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou
Ms Cadioli said she spoke to Gerard the day Allison disappeared. He sounded "dreadful". #badenclay
 
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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou

Ms Cadioli said Gerard told her he loved Toni but the affair was over. #badenclay http://bit.ly/badenclayday2



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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou

Cadioli: I was asked to remove anything in the office pertaining to Toni McHugh. Because Allison would be coming into the office. #badenclay





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What a horrible position to be placed in by your employer! jmo


Agree. Don't think cleaning up your bosses extramarital affairs would be in the job description



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Next on the stand is Elizabeth Scully. She worked at Century 21 Westside as office manager in 2012. #badenclay http://bit.ly/badenclayday2

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 39s

Ms Scully said around Sept/Oct 2011, she remembers Toni McHugh leaving. #badenclay

Ms Scully says Gerard sat her down and told her he had had an affair with Toni. She asked whether Allison knew. #badenclay

Ms Scully says Gerard told her yes, Allison was aware. #badenclay



Ms Scully says after Toni left, Allison's role in the business became "very active". She was the general manager for the rental side.





Ms Scully says she first met Allison in 2008. Allison occasionally came into the office with her daughters. #badenclay
 
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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou
Ms Scully said around Sept/Oct 2011, she remembers Toni McHugh leaving. #badenclay

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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou
Next on the stand is Elizabeth Scully. She worked at Century 21 Westside as office manager in 2012. #badenclay
 
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I fear the prosecution's modus operandi today - to establish that Allison was "happy" and "looking to the future" on the day of and prior to her death - is risky. There are many, many instances of suicide that are immediately prefaced by a seemingly happy passage of activity. Families and friends are completely shocked and gobsmacked ... didn't see it coming. The act may be set off by a single hair-trigger, the roots of which lay deep in the past. GBC telling Allison about TM being at the conference the next day could have served as a hair-trigger, the defence could well argue. Most psychologists would have to argue that this is possible because really anything is possible in the complex area of depression/anxiety. I fear the prosecution may achieve little going down this road today.

Personally, a more convincing argument against the suicide theory is that she had her hair done that afternoon. No woman wastes a good blowdry. I'm sorry but there it is.
 
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Sorry folks, got to drop my son off. :) Will be back soon.

Thank you Amee and drsleuth :)
 
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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 25s

Ms Scully saw Allison at the office on April 19. Allison had a meeting in the morning. She's not sure what she did in the afternoon.

Ms Scully says Allison's mood was "very happy" on April 19. Allison had a conference the following day. #badenclay
 
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2:56pm: The tenth witness Gabrielle Cadioli has taken the stand.

Ms Cadioli worked at Mr Baden-Clay's real estate agency from April 2011. She became aware that Mr Baden-Clay had been having an affair with her colleague Toni McHugh later that year.

Ms Cadioli recalled learning that Mrs Baden-Clay was missing on Friday, April 20, 2012. She also recalled receiving a text message from Mr Baden-Clay the following day.

The message read: "We pray she will come home soon."

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-2-week-1-20140611-39wcd.html#ixzz34Ismp5uf
 
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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou ·

Ms Scully says she never witnessed any arguments between Allison and Gerard. #badenclay

Ms Scully says on April 19 she spoke to Allison about signing up for dance classes. #badenclay

Ms Scully says Gerard contacted the office on Friday after his wife went missing. He thanked her for continuing to work hard. #badenclay
 
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Some tissue and some areas of the body decompose more quickly than other areas. The face is one such area, mainly because it is actually not very "deep" - it overlies the bones of the facial skeleton very closely. Another area where that occurs is on the front of the shin, overlying the tibia - and could explain the defect found there in the autopsy. It could have been simply the skin and tissues "tearing" away from the underlying bone.

The face exhibits similar characteristics - there is a fat pad overlying the cheek area beside the mouth in most people, but apart from that, there's not a lot of other tissue apart from a thin layer of muscles that are responsible for facial expression.

And of course, if the body was lying in a position where the high tide partially covered some parts of it, then those parts would have been decomposing in an accelerated fashion, too.

So, from the position she was found to be in, it is conceivable that at least one of her legs, and perhaps her face too, could have been partially submerged on the high tides - which is why Nathan Milne wanted to get her up and away from her resting position a.s.a.p. as the high tide was approaching. That was stated in court, as well as in the autopsy report.

Hope that makes sense....


Made wonderful sense. Thank you so much Doc.
I didn't meant to call you Dr Watson lol but my iPad did.

Thanks for all the excellent information you are helping us with.
 
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