The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 17th June - Trial Day 5 - Week 2

[PrimeSuspect]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 53s
Defence asks whether Ms Ritchie knew Allison was still suffering depression. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 43s
Ms Ritchie: I got the impression her depression was well-managed and it was not an issue for her at the time. #badenclay

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 45s
Ms Ritchie: When Allison talked about depression I had the impression it was well managed #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Defence asks whether Ms Ritchie knew Allison was still suffering depression. #badenclay

 

[Amee]

3:00pm: Ms Ritchie said she asked Allison and Gerard to return two weeks later for another counselling session.

"I considered that that relationship was in a crisis and two weeks was plenty of time," she said.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-5-week-2-20140617-3a9wj.html#ixzz34rz0XV8o

 

[Brightbird]

So 4 days before Allison died he was telling the marriage counsellor he wanted to work on his marriage, and telling Toni he'd be separated by July 1st?

 

[LollyPop]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 46s
Gerard: Allison does not trust me, she questions me. She says yes when she means no. #badenclay

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 54s
Asked what the problems were, Gerard said Allison didn't trust him and questioned him - Ms Ritchie #badenclay


Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Ms Ritchie says she asked Gerard to outline the problems in the relationship for her. #badenclay

GBC is unbelievable. Allison does not trust me, I WONDER WHY NOT GBC????

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 30s
Ms Ritchie says the last time she saw Allison, she was "very hopeful, something was being done about this". #badenclay


Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 39s
Ms Ritchie says when she saw Allison in Apr 2012, she got impression depression was not an issue for her. #badenclay @abcnews

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Ms Ritchie agrees with defence that Gerard told her about his community activities where he "supported and helped other people". #badenclay

 

[squizzey1]

OK I'm really questioning this .. what on earth is the point of spending every second night opening up the wounds?

its more getting it out of the system than opening wounds I think . otherwise gbc just forgets that it ever happened and gets on with the next affair while Al suffers it all alone in silence JMO

 

[Mrs G Norris]

So 4 days before Allison died he was telling the marriage counsellor he wanted to work on his marriage, and telling Toni he'd be separated by July 1st?

Which to me suggests he hadn't taken a backward step to work out what HE wanted at all, he was just telling everyone what they wanted to hear because he was being pressured from all sides ..

 

[Mrs G Norris]

its more getting it out of the system than opening wounds I think . otherwise gbc just forgets that it ever happened and gets on with the next affair while Al suffers it all alone in silence JMO

I'm sure that's the theory .. it does assume that his rightful place is in his marriage which may or may not be true ..

 

[PrimeSuspect]

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 1m
Ms Ritchie can't remember Gerard talking about his children, would have written it down #badenclay


Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Ms Ritchie says she doesn't recall Gerard mentioning his children. #badenclay


Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 44s
Ms Ritchie: When I ask Gerard who he is, I would hope he would mention his relationships ..don't remember him mentioning children #badenclay




zip...flew right past his head

 

[squizzey1]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Ms Ritchie agrees with defence that Gerard told her about his community activities where he "supported and helped other people". #badenclay

if you do that you don't tell everyone you just do it ,most of it was for business contacts and his own ego

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Ms Ritchie says she made no diagnosis about Allison's mental state. Says Allison mentioned having been on anti-depressants. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 35s
Defence asks Ms Ritchie whether Allison told her about "flashbacks" of seeing husband's girlfriend's car, she hadn't. #badenclay

 

[Amee]

3:04pm: Ms Ritchie is now under cross-examination from Mr Baden-Clay's defence counsel Michael Byrne QC.

She said Mr Baden-Clay told her about his achievements, but could not remember him speaking about his children.

"I think had Gerard mentioned his children, I would have put that down, because that was important to me. When I ask Gerard about who he is I would hope that we would mention his relationships ...

"I don't remember him talking about his children."

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-5-week-2-20140617-3a9wj.html#ixzz34s0F7e98

 

[Amee]

3:05pm: Mr Byrne asked: "But he said he wanted a future with Allison?"

Ms Ritchie replied: "Yes, he did."

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-5-week-2-20140617-3a9wj.html#ixzz34s0KkIri

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Ms Ritchie says Allison's role was to work on herself. She didn't present with the affair as her focus. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 54s
Ms Ritchie says she had the impression that Allison wanted to work on herself. To change to a stronger person. #badenclay


:clap:

 

[Amee]

today seems to be like a :rollercoaster:

 

[PrimeSuspect]

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 43s
Allison told counsellor she wanted to work on herself, but Ms Ritchie says she recognised affair was the biggest impact. #badenclay

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Ms Ritchie says Allison's role was to work on herself. She didn't present with the affair as her focus. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 58s
Ms Ritchie says she had the impression that Allison wanted to work on herself. To change to a stronger person. #badenclay

So DID she want to work on herself .. or did the counsellor THINK Allison SHOULD want to work on herself and so she told her that? Did the counsellor ever give either of these two space to tell her what THEY wanted, or to even work that out for themselves?

 

[sosocurious]

I completely agree with you there! To me it sounds like they were told to go wallow in the agony and pull out every single excruciating detail to torture each other with, I mean .. would anyone look at their spouse with any kind of enthusiasm after that?

I think that the suggestion was that GBC took the time to listen to Allison's express her feelings, was
for him to show empathy (ha ha) and Allison to vent her hurts, not so much question time.
IMO it was poor judgement so early in the prof relationship.
She knew neither client well enough.

 

[Brightbird]

Which to me suggests he hadn't taken a backward step to work out what HE wanted at all, he was just telling everyone what they wanted to hear because he was being pressured from all sides ..

Doubt he would have been very happy having the counsellor pressure/convince him to do the 15 minute thing. I'm not really criticizing the counsellor, but I think she might have jumped the gun a bit there.