The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 18th June - Trial Day 6, Week 2

[marlywings]

Just quoting you bearbear because I think it's relevant. Is there anyone on here who takes antidepressants? Please can you pull out the information leaflet and tell me what it says about driving whilst taking them?

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcmed.nsf/pages/pfczolot/$File/pfczolot.pdf

 

[Mrs G Norris]

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 40s
Yard was searched, found a pen, nothing of interest - Simmons #badenclay

A C21 pen?

Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 21s
Simmonds says he returned to house on 21st April. SES were searching the yard. "There was nothing of interest located" #badenclay @abcnews

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 29s
Day six of #badenclay trial updates at: http://bit.ly/badenclayday6

 

[Mrs G Norris]

How Gerard is funding his defence:

Investment property bought for Allison Baden-Clay secretly sold by accused murderer husband: http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...erard-baden-clay/story-e6freoof-1226465935990

 

[PrimeSuspect]

It does recommend not to drive until sure how it can affect you right? Perhaps that was the reason Allison wasn't driving rather than because she because of a panic attack? If she was going to suicide that night though, she wouldn't be concerned about having a car accident, that would be the furthest thing from her mind. Wouldn't it? I don't know, it was just an idea I had.

My thoughts too. I could imagine a person would want to get to the destination a.s.a.p, get it over with. jmo.
Sorry for sounding so morbid, but GBC is putting this idea out there. :/

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Simmons agrees he found the journal on the opposite side of the bed to where the covers had been pulled back. #badenclay

Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 1m
Simmonds says Allison's journal was found under bedside table with pile of books. #badenclay @abcnews

 

[louisepiglet]

GBC -- according to his sister, OBW -- sent those children off early to school after filling their minds with visions of their mother helpless down a hole. Children have active imaginations, particularly when frightened and worried. The 'hole' which GBC implanted in their minds would have become a giant, subterranean, dark place where their mother was trapped alone and probably crying out for help. They would see in their minds a big hole far from help. And their mother trapped, afraid, crying and calling. He further told the girls 'she probably wont be back'. Imagine that from a child's perspective

That guy is a sadist. He wants to hurt. He had it in his power to console and reassure the girls. But he did not. He deliberately withheld reassurance from them. He sent them to school filled with fear and dread and longing for their mother. He painted a graphic mental image and implanted it in those girls' minds and sent them off with that for the day

I want the jury to hear that, to imagine what he did to his children simply because he had the power to do it

Did police ask OBW what she had told the girls? Doesn't look like it. She could have volunteered further information but going from the Police Witness statement compiled by first attending police, it appeared she did not. Why didn't OBW say to the girls, ' Daddy didn't mean she fell in a hole. He meant she might have twisted her foot a little bit, that's all. And he just meant she wouldn't be back in time to take you to school. It will be alright, don't worry. I'm sure Mummy's fine and will be home when you get back from school. We might even go for a bar b que after school, eh? That'd be good, wouldn't it? Ok, now you run to class and remember, don't worry'. That's what anyone, let alone an aunt, would say to the girls, to try to take away the fear implanted by an idiot father

But no. It appears the girls received no reassurance

GBC is an animal, a sadist. The jury needs to learn of what he told his girls and if prosecutors don't include it in material released to the jury, they're remiss imo

Yes yes yes. If my brother ever said anything like that to my nieces/nephews I would slap him upside of the head and ask him what the hell. GBC is a nasty piece of work and the girls are better off without him and his weirdo family. IMO

 

[Amee]

2:36pm:

Simmonds says he returned to house on 21st April. SES were searching the yard. "There was nothing of interest located" #badenclay @abcnews

— Francene Norton (@francenenorton) June 18, 2014

*The Senior Constable's name is Cameron Simmons.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-6-week-2-20140618-3ackc.html#ixzz34xjjCo6F

 

[Mrs G Norris]

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 43s
Went back to Brookfield April 22, was a forensic exam of the house #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 42s
Simmons agrees he took possession of fingernail scrapings from Gerard. He searched the cars. #badenclay

 

[possumheart]

... And why followed by "is that OK?" DOESNT THE WOMAN HAVE HER OWN MORAL COMPASS?

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 49s
Simmons agrees on April 25 he took computers, washing baskets from the house. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 53s
Simmons says he didn't review the computers but nothing of interest found on clothing. #badenclay

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I love the comments on the Twitter feed by outraged Tweeters following along ..

 

[marlywings]

... And why followed by "is that OK?" DOESNT THE WOMAN HAVE HER OWN MORAL COMPASS.

I think she was being a smart sarcastic modsnip with that comment. She was talking to someone in authority & she didn't like it.

 

[Amee]

2:33pm: Court has resumed and Senior Constable Cameron Simmons has returned to the witness box.

Senior Constable Simmons said Mr Baden-Clay appeared "calm and composed" on the morning he reported his wife missing.

"He didn't shed a tear, he was quite composed during the interview," the detective said.

"I don't believe his voice cracked. I believe he was quite calm and composed."

Earlier, the court listened to a recording of Senior Constable Simmon's interview with Mr Baden-Clay that morning.

Mr Baden-Clay could be heard to become quite emotional at one point during the interview.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-6-week-2-20140618-3ackc.html#ixzz34xkXGvUC

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
Simmons says he returned to the house on May 13 with a warrant. The house was no longer a crime scene at that point. #badenclay

Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 35s
Simmons agrees a number of items were taken but nothing of relevance was found. #badenclay http://bit.ly/badenclayday6

 

[emirates1957]

GBC -- according to his sister, OBW -- sent those children off early to school after filling their minds with visions of their mother helpless down a hole. Children have active imaginations, particularly when frightened and worried. The 'hole' which GBC implanted in their minds would have become a giant, subterranean, dark place where their mother was trapped alone and probably crying out for help. They would see in their minds a big hole far from help. And their mother trapped, afraid, crying and calling. He further told the girls 'she probably wont be back'. Imagine that from a child's perspective

That guy is a sadist. He wants to hurt. He had it in his power to console and reassure the girls. But he did not. He deliberately withheld reassurance from them. He sent them to school filled with fear and dread and longing for their mother. He painted a graphic mental image and implanted it in those girls' minds and sent them off with that for the day

I want the jury to hear that, to imagine what he did to his children simply because he had the power to do it

Did police ask OBW what she had told the girls? Doesn't look like it. She could have volunteered further information but going from the Police Witness statement compiled by first attending police, it appeared she did not. Why didn't OBW say to the girls, ' Daddy didn't mean she fell in a hole. He meant she might have twisted her foot a little bit, that's all. And he just meant she wouldn't be back in time to take you to school. It will be alright, don't worry. I'm sure Mummy's fine and will be home when you get back from school. We might even go for a bar b que after school, eh? That'd be good, wouldn't it? Ok, now you run to class and remember, don't worry'. That's what anyone, let alone an aunt, would say to the girls, to try to take away the fear implanted by an idiot father

But no. It appears the girls received no reassurance

<modsnip> The jury needs to learn of what he told his girls and if prosecutors don't include it in material released to the jury, they're remiss imo

Brilliantly written 'he had the power to console'...says it all.

 

[laserdisc10]

Yes yes yes. If my brother ever said anything like that to my nieces/nephews I would slap him upside of the head and ask him what the hell. GBC is a nasty piece of work and the girls are better off without him and his weirdo family. IMO

Not only does 'Mummy's gone for a walk, probably fallen down a hole and won't be back' reveal his utter callousness prior to police's arrival -- it also puts into stark contrast his profession of 'worry about his missing wife' performance when police and others arrived

What he told the girls is a mirror of his actual feelings. No concern at all for Allison. What he told the girls reveals anger, satisfaction. It reveals that in his mind he already had visions of Allison being helpless and alone and far from all help

 

[louisepiglet]

I bet GBC could not believe how quickly police looked at him as a suspect. After all his careful planning.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I love the comments on the Twitter feed by outraged Tweeters following along ..

Haha i noticed that too yesterday. One was rooting for the BC clan though. :scared:

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Kate Kyriacou &#8207;@KateKyriacou 30s
Now we're hearing from Sergeant Julian Dash, a scenes of crime officer. #badenclay http://bit.ly/badenclayday6

:yesss:

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Haha i noticed that too yesterday. One was rooting for the BC clan though. :scared:

It's probably one of them!