The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 30th June - Trial Day 12, Week 3

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when the Qld coppers came to the house in response to his call that morning , they asked Gerard was Alison taking any medication, etc.. Gerard goes into the Zoloft, he's not too sure, they haven't discussed it for a while, Alison is fine, she is looking forward to the conference stuff etc etc etc..its all managed..

but a few days later, Olivia who could not resist a microphone in those days... mentioned that Alison was rather depressed.. she should ' be returned'.. it was the first mention of Alison suffering some sort of long term condition that might affect her thought processes...all this said with a worried little frown..

Yes

Allison whilst zealously making certain she did not burden anyone with what she perceived to be some failing on her biological part and thought it to be somehow her fault - left a wound (more likely caused by how she was and wasn't treated by GBC) to be exploited.

Perhaps Olivia meant no harm with her remark (OW had a number of reasons to be upset with her being called as sister to GBC to attend that morning - having been hospitalised with migraine the day before & Allison had driven to collect her from hospital - I think she recognised GBC 'over-reaction' on face value and due to all the 'talk/reasoning' year after year among her family about Allison being the 'problem' not GBC - OW threw that line to the breeze among others that morning)

Shame. It's most likely OW lives her distance (Townsville?) for good reason.
GBC's brother similarly chooses to live a great distance away from Nigel, Elaine and GBC too. OS.

OW has likely slowed down with her throw away speak - but not before she sat in the box and spoke the only slant she has heard over and over again about Allison who she did declare she loved... Sad. OW must sleep restlessly. She had the opportunity to be the sister (in law) but ultimately failed Allison - inadvertently let's hope.

jmo
 
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Agreed. Although, for me, it's easier to explain away the blood in the car than the scratches on the face. The blood in the car is suspicious, yes, but it's quite reasonably possible it happened before ABC went missing IMO. But the scratches don't make sense at all. Nobody (other than GBC I guess) seems to think it's probable (or even reasonably possible) that they were caused by shaving. Why would he lie about that? I've tried to think up scenarios like maybe he scratched his face in his sleep because of the spreading itch of the 'caterpillar bite' and didn't notice and then shaved the top off the scratch welts in his morning rush - but to do it three times? Just doesn't make sense to me. :waitasec:

I don't think the blood can be explained away easily - it would be hard to come up with a plausible story that could explain why that amount of Allison's blood was trickling down the interior of the car, in the back seat area especially. It may not be a copious quantity of blood - but enough to leave behind a couple of decent rivulets. What kind of innocent injury could cause that blood loss, and then be left in that particular position long enough to trickle its way down by the rear seat of the car she herself drove?
The shaving story is all guff to me - those marks seem perfectly sized, positioned and spaced for even an amateur to think they were clearly made by fingernails. I'd have an easier time believing him if he had said they were made by some low hanging branches in his overgrown garden rather than shaving mishaps.
 
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So Gerard must have been so proud of himself drawing such a crowd today. Can't believe he managed to fill another day with rambling. Bring on the cross!

Thank you to the tweeters and Amee for the awesome MSM reports.

Seeing it's past midnight, can I just say.....

HAPPY BIRTHDAY ALLISON <3
 
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Yes

Allison whilst zealously making certain she did not burden anyone with what she perceived to be some failing and her fault left a wound to be exploited.

Perhaps Olivia meant no harm with her remark (OW had a number of reasons to be '******' with her being called to attend that morning - having been hospitalised with migraine the day before & Allison had driven to collect her from hospital - I think she recognised GBC 'over-reaction' on face value and due to all the 'talk/reasoning' year after year among her family about Allison being the 'problem' not GBC - OW threw that line to the breeze among others that morning)

Shame. It's most likely OW lives her distance (Townsville?) for good reason.

She has likely slowed down with her throw away speak - but not before she sat in the box and spoke the only slant she has heard over and over again about Allison who she did declare she loved... Sad. OW must sleep restlessly. She had the opportunity to be the sister (in law) but ultimately failed Allison inadvertently.

jmo

one thing that was solved for Olivia, today, if she still had any queries about it, was why Alison didn't drive.. I recall in her testimony, she just couldn't figure out why Gerard had to drive Alison and the kids down to her parents place.. naturally, being Olivia, not knowing, she concluded that Alison didn't drive because of her 'depression'.. but it was because Alison wouldn't drive the car Gerard had splayed himself about in with a splayedabout Toni...

Don't know what Olivia thinks of that today.. . .
 
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Based on his explanation of events. This is a jury that does not have the in depth knowledge we do. GBC does not have to prove anything. All he has to do is cast some doubt on the prosecution's interpretation of the circumstantial evidence. Let's hope the Prosecution can remove that during the cross...JMO

Not just "some" doubt, but "reasonable" doubt. Big difference!
 
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Off topic...

Rolf Harris found guilty of all charges!!
 
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Not just "some" doubt, but "reasonable" doubt. Big difference!

huge huge difference indeed... doubt, versus logical, rational, measured doubt...
 
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that jury was thorough, and obviously went thru the process of doubt versus reasonable logical doubt..
 
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now that verdict is in... I feel free enough to register my utter scorn and contempt for his wife and daughter, with their clinging handholding grinning happyclappy ******** every day of that trial..

I will modsnip myself..
 
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yes, she did.. Gerard felt obliged to tell the court that today.. that she paid for these things.. .. he couldn't , you see, as he didn't have cash and he couldn't put it on his credit card... you know how it is.. so she paid for it..

as for the std, I throw that in because Alison had a test done for it, .. a reasonable and sensible thing to do, considering what she thought she knew at the time.. which wasn't all, not by a long shot..
 
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A long time ago, in this drama/murder, many regular walkers in the Brookfield area stated that they had never ever seen Allison walking. For those who don't know the area, it is like a country town, with a small dual road through .... and no paved footpaths. Even in my suburb ..... a little way from Brookfield ..... I know (by sight) every regular walker. Lots of people walk for exercise in my suburb and at Brookfield. Allison may have walked - occasionally - but she doesn't seem to have been a die hard, regular, walker.
 
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Yes OW was the very first to bring up the depression.

In an elusive news video when Allison was missing, she stated "Allison has depression". The same video in which she states the mark on his forehead is from when he fell over & bumped it. :rolleyes:

And the mark on his forehead is something we've not heard a dot further about.

He head-butted himself?
 
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Off topic...

Rolf Harris found guilty of all charges!!

Yes! Thanks for that Marly.

Good to hear. I have to say I have been disgusted with his conduct and seemingly apparent lack of regard for the seriousness of the charges he was facing. To me he has appeared very arrogant and I've lost any respect for him with the revelations of what he has done, and his conduct at court.
 
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yes, she did.. Gerard felt obliged to tell the court that today.. that she paid for these things.. .. he couldn't , you see, as he didn't have cash and he couldn't put it on his credit card... you know how it is.. so she paid for it..

as for the std, I throw that in because Alison had a test done for it, .. a reasonable and sensible thing to do, considering what she thought she knew at the time.. which wasn't all, not by a long shot..

Trooper!! Don't just go throwing bombs like STD in.:scared:
 
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Yes! Thanks for that Marly.

Good to hear. I have to say I have been disgusted with his conduct and seemingly apparent lack of regard for the seriousness of the charges he was facing. To me he has appeared very arrogant and I've lost any respect for him with the revelations in the court and his conduct at court.

Rolfs story was that everybody else lied, imagined stuff, created stuff, and he, Rolf was the only person who had a handle on the truth..

guilty on all charges.. and there are a hell of a lot of them, the jury had to go thru every single indictment...
 
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Yes! Thanks for that Marly.

Good to hear. I have to say I have been disgusted with his conduct and seemingly apparent lack of regard for the seriousness of the charges he was facing. To me he has appeared very arrogant and I've lost any respect for him.

Ditto but in regards to GBC.

Its a good omen being Al's birthday when the dribbling stops and the lies start to be unravelled - come on Prosecution if there is ever a day to take him down her day this day is the day............
 
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Ditto but in regards to GBC.

Its a good omen being Al's birthday when the dribbling stops and the lies start to be unravelled - come on Prosecution if there is ever a day to take him down her day this day is the day............

As far as I can tell, this is Gerard's second appearance in a courtcase.. although, in the first, he didn't have to appear in court, so to speak.. he sued the Flight Centre for unfair dismissal.. or that his dismissal had caused him untold misery or inconvenience, etc... it was settled out of court, anyways.,. so Gerard has never been x-examined before.. . sure, he had a few awful business meetings, at which he broke down and cried, but nothing of this nature before him with the QLD State Prosecutor on a Murder Charge and Interfering with a Corpse... its out of Gerards remit, and experience...

and one's barrister can never really fully prepare one for it.. its all a matter of good luck and all the best for Gerard as soon as Mr Byrne takes his seat and leaves Gerard out there, all on his own. He cant help him and he cant speak for him. He can object, but his objections must be sound and based in law, and Mr Boyle is a very experienced prosecutor..
 
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TM's whereabouts on the night/morning in question -- has it been established before the jury?
 
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