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GBC's going for the standard leverage method - spread the risk of going down (in this case murder) by involving everyone else that he possibly can. He's using his 1st year accounting #101.
The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 30th June - Trial Day 12, Week 3
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GBC's going for the standard leverage method - spread the risk of going down (in this case murder) by involving everyone else that he possibly can. He's using his 1st year accounting #101.
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Could someone please post the link to that blog of GBC's, from the last thread, where he wrote all that stuff about how hard it was to look after everything when Allison was away, or sick?
Much appreciated
Much appreciated
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He had until the end of September 2012 to pay the balance #badenclay
He had until the end of September 2012 to pay the balance #badenclay
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Cup of tea anyone??
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Yes he is.
He has a good memory and sees himself as the struggling King.
He was the King of a very disfunctional castle.
Allison was the disfunctional Queen. Who couldn't give him a son.
He rejected her for this reason.
The King was a time bomb , just waiting to explode.
Just ticking away, tick tock,
So Gerard, keep talking, we are listening... :jail:
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Could someone please post the link to that blog of GBC's, from the last thread, where he wrote all that stuff about how hard it was to look after everything when Allison was away, or sick?
Much appreciated
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nat...ing-husband-20120512-1yj5w.html#ixzz364WWfWeh
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Thanks so much to everyone posting tweets, links, etc!
Its around this time, that Gerard, despite all his blithering to the contrary, realises in the very worst way , that he is not just mildly bankrupted, he cant even apply for bankruptcy, and will remain a debtor for the rest of his life.. unless... unless he experiences a miracle... some large amount of completely unexpected money falling from the sky ,directly under his control.....
that's the vision
that's the vision
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Just as calm as a cucumber. [He] just came over and said, 'g'day dad ... g'day mum', and I looked at him and I said what's happened and he said 'Allison's missing, she went for a walk and hasn't come back'.
"Couldn't believe it ...
"Then he said, 'would you like a cup of tea?'"
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-4-week-2-20140616-3a6an.html#ixzz3659D5Y8v
Just as calm as a cucumber. [He] just came over and said, 'g'day dad ... g'day mum', and I looked at him and I said what's happened and he said 'Allison's missing, she went for a walk and hasn't come back'.
"Couldn't believe it ...
"Then he said, 'would you like a cup of tea?'"
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...ay-4-week-2-20140616-3a6an.html#ixzz3659D5Y8v
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11.10am: Gerard Baden-Clay said he hired Toni McHugh in 2008.
He said she had originally joined the business as a sales person, was a past client and took on the property management business when she came on board.
He said Ms McHugh was a “pretty good” sales person.
“We developed more of a closer relationship, she was having some issues with her own relationship, with Rob … and I, like with all of my staff, I tried to assist them and counsel them if I could with any of their issues and we became a bit closer through that,” he said.
Baden-Clay said he started a physical relationship with Ms McHugh.
“That I think, for both of us, was purely for that in the end of August, 2008,” he said.
“Business was going great, just brought in two business partners and I didn’t have any physical intimacy and we started that relationship.”
The accused said the relationship started one night late in the office.
“I would have gone back to the office after doing my happy hour and then on a couple of occasions we actually met up and had a tryst in my car, the Prado, Snowy,” he said.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226971633938
He said she had originally joined the business as a sales person, was a past client and took on the property management business when she came on board.
He said Ms McHugh was a “pretty good” sales person.
“We developed more of a closer relationship, she was having some issues with her own relationship, with Rob … and I, like with all of my staff, I tried to assist them and counsel them if I could with any of their issues and we became a bit closer through that,” he said.
Baden-Clay said he started a physical relationship with Ms McHugh.
“That I think, for both of us, was purely for that in the end of August, 2008,” he said.
“Business was going great, just brought in two business partners and I didn’t have any physical intimacy and we started that relationship.”
The accused said the relationship started one night late in the office.
“I would have gone back to the office after doing my happy hour and then on a couple of occasions we actually met up and had a tryst in my car, the Prado, Snowy,” he said.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226971633938
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Could someone please post the link to that blog of GBC's, from the last thread, where he wrote all that stuff about how hard it was to look after everything when Allison was away, or sick?
Much appreciated
http://expertrealestate.blogspot.com.au/2008/11/mr-mum.html
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He said it was over the ensuing years that he tried to “break off with Toni on numerous occasions”.
“Sometimes we were successful for days, sometimes for a month of two but we always ended up recommencing that physical relationship,” he said.
Baden-Clay said he was concerned when he learned Ms McHugh had ended her marriage.
“For me it was just a physical relationship and I didn’t want it to be any more,” he said.
“As time went on, she wanted me to divorce Allison and start a life with her. I told her categorically that I would not do that, that my loyalty, it doesn’t feel right using that word, but my loyalty was to Allison and my children and I didn’t want to jeopardise that.”
The accused said it would have been towards the end of 2008 and the beginning of 2009 when they had that conversation.
He said it was a recurrent theme in the affair.
“The thing that made the relationship particularly awkward was that Toni worked in the business and she was quite a successful sales person as well,” he said.
“She was a bit more volatile with her moods and that sort of thing and I was very concerned of the impact it might have on the business if we separated permanently and Toni wasn’t happy about that.”
Baden-Clay said Ms McHugh “pushed” for things and “I would say whatever she wanted to hear”.
“It was always me,” he said of trying to break off the affair.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226971633938
“Sometimes we were successful for days, sometimes for a month of two but we always ended up recommencing that physical relationship,” he said.
Baden-Clay said he was concerned when he learned Ms McHugh had ended her marriage.
“For me it was just a physical relationship and I didn’t want it to be any more,” he said.
“As time went on, she wanted me to divorce Allison and start a life with her. I told her categorically that I would not do that, that my loyalty, it doesn’t feel right using that word, but my loyalty was to Allison and my children and I didn’t want to jeopardise that.”
The accused said it would have been towards the end of 2008 and the beginning of 2009 when they had that conversation.
He said it was a recurrent theme in the affair.
“The thing that made the relationship particularly awkward was that Toni worked in the business and she was quite a successful sales person as well,” he said.
“She was a bit more volatile with her moods and that sort of thing and I was very concerned of the impact it might have on the business if we separated permanently and Toni wasn’t happy about that.”
Baden-Clay said Ms McHugh “pushed” for things and “I would say whatever she wanted to hear”.
“It was always me,” he said of trying to break off the affair.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226971633938
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Typically it would be me saying to Toni there wasn’t a future for us together because I was not going to leave Allison and the children and if there was no future, there was no reason continuing now.”
Baden-Clay said he was in the affair “primarily for the physical intimacy, certainly I was flattered at the outset because she looked up to me as a boss, I was getting acknowledgement and appreciation which I hadn’t experienced before”.
“But really it was for the physical intimacy,” he said.
The accused said he attended counselling with his wife, Allison.
“Aside from the physical relationship we were having challenges in our marriage that we were trying to work through because we wanted it to work,” he said.
He said they saw a counsellor recommended to them by their psychiatrist, Dr Tom George.
Baden-Clay said he never revealed that he was having affair because he was “ashamed”.
“I hoped to be able to end it and that would be something in our past that I would never have to deal with and we’d be able to move on,” he said.
He said his wife did not find the counsellor constructive because she felt the woman they were seeing was “taking my side”.
Baden-Clay said his wife spoke to another psychologist, a man, and arranged for him to meet them.
“Allison for years as part of her affirmations and that sort of thing would keep telling herself ‘I’m not depressed, I’m not depressed’ and that was an affirmation she kept reiterating to herself,” he said.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226971633938
Baden-Clay said he was in the affair “primarily for the physical intimacy, certainly I was flattered at the outset because she looked up to me as a boss, I was getting acknowledgement and appreciation which I hadn’t experienced before”.
“But really it was for the physical intimacy,” he said.
The accused said he attended counselling with his wife, Allison.
“Aside from the physical relationship we were having challenges in our marriage that we were trying to work through because we wanted it to work,” he said.
He said they saw a counsellor recommended to them by their psychiatrist, Dr Tom George.
Baden-Clay said he never revealed that he was having affair because he was “ashamed”.
“I hoped to be able to end it and that would be something in our past that I would never have to deal with and we’d be able to move on,” he said.
He said his wife did not find the counsellor constructive because she felt the woman they were seeing was “taking my side”.
Baden-Clay said his wife spoke to another psychologist, a man, and arranged for him to meet them.
“Allison for years as part of her affirmations and that sort of thing would keep telling herself ‘I’m not depressed, I’m not depressed’ and that was an affirmation she kept reiterating to herself,” he said.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226971633938
Oddsocks, respectfully: Men who have sex with women other than the woman they married and remain married to are the first to admit that they hide this behaviour because otherwise it would in all sensible probability threaten the family....
To be clear these men do so knowing they are endangering their own children's future with the likely outcomes of divorce: two sets of homes, parents, social stigma, halved wealth at each new 'family' residence.
Perhaps with your open mind you might consider the danger this man chose to be to his children (and let's forget the emotional and mental anguish as any type of danger he caused his wife - because you're right - doing the deed in the back of his car with Toni is not murder)
No one is suggesting an adulterer = murderer.
I can't see society being able to foot the bill if this equation existed! :fence:
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And her depression she did largely overcome but there were occasions when there were some triggers that would bring it back on and for me it felt like it was always hovering there … over her and if things for her turned bad she could relapse to her lowest levels and that wouldn’t be great because we now have three children.”
He said he wanted his wife to do more around the home when he was there.
“As it was, we were almost living separate lives.
“When we were together she would go to bed and I would look after the children and do everything else and when we were apart she would look after everything around the household and I would be at work,” he said.
“I wanted us to do everything as a family … and for us to be able to really enjoy each other’s company again and Allison wanted that too, but there was this wrestle between mentally wanting it and being physically able to have the energy for it because she was throwing so much into the children when I wasn’t there.”
Baden-Clay said his wife eased off Zoloft and did not need to take it anymore.
“She kept telling herself she didn’t have depression and she wasn’t depressed, she did know what the triggers were … she had a psychology degree, so she had an understanding … she sort of didn’t want to reveal a weakness for want of a better description, to me, when she wasn’t feeling her best,” he said.
He said he only found out his wife occasionally went back on Zoloft when he saw it in the cupboard one day.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226971633938
He said he wanted his wife to do more around the home when he was there.
“As it was, we were almost living separate lives.
“When we were together she would go to bed and I would look after the children and do everything else and when we were apart she would look after everything around the household and I would be at work,” he said.
“I wanted us to do everything as a family … and for us to be able to really enjoy each other’s company again and Allison wanted that too, but there was this wrestle between mentally wanting it and being physically able to have the energy for it because she was throwing so much into the children when I wasn’t there.”
Baden-Clay said his wife eased off Zoloft and did not need to take it anymore.
“She kept telling herself she didn’t have depression and she wasn’t depressed, she did know what the triggers were … she had a psychology degree, so she had an understanding … she sort of didn’t want to reveal a weakness for want of a better description, to me, when she wasn’t feeling her best,” he said.
He said he only found out his wife occasionally went back on Zoloft when he saw it in the cupboard one day.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226971633938
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Me too DrWatson......She will NOT be happy!
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Baden-Clay said his wife learned strategies to help her drive when she was anxious and for other triggers.
He said Dr George had spoken to his wife about cutting her Zoloft tablets in half depending on what was happening in her life.
Baden-Clay said that the new three-way partnerships in his business began in August, 2008.
But he said it was a clunky arrangement.
“I basically took responsibility for all the management of the business, recruitment and training of staff, the accounts and administration ‘back-end’,” he said.
He said he farmed out clients to the new partners, who focused more on selling property.
Baden-Clay said the business won awards and became the number one office in Queensland, and number 10 in Australia.
He said the three partners would share equally in remuneration.
He said business was so good at one point they each took home $5500 a week.
The accused said his partners bought “flashy things” but told the jury he “did not want to cast aspersions”.
He said he bought a Lexus on a “whim” when Phil Broom bought one.
“They just were living it up, basically and Jocelyn’s key thing was jewellery, travel and clothes,” he said.
Baden-Clay said there was enough money being left in the business to pay the bills but not much reinvestment was happening.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226971633938
He said Dr George had spoken to his wife about cutting her Zoloft tablets in half depending on what was happening in her life.
Baden-Clay said that the new three-way partnerships in his business began in August, 2008.
But he said it was a clunky arrangement.
“I basically took responsibility for all the management of the business, recruitment and training of staff, the accounts and administration ‘back-end’,” he said.
He said he farmed out clients to the new partners, who focused more on selling property.
Baden-Clay said the business won awards and became the number one office in Queensland, and number 10 in Australia.
He said the three partners would share equally in remuneration.
He said business was so good at one point they each took home $5500 a week.
The accused said his partners bought “flashy things” but told the jury he “did not want to cast aspersions”.
He said he bought a Lexus on a “whim” when Phil Broom bought one.
“They just were living it up, basically and Jocelyn’s key thing was jewellery, travel and clothes,” he said.
Baden-Clay said there was enough money being left in the business to pay the bills but not much reinvestment was happening.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226971633938
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I bet it was totes helpful when he cheated on her. Argggh!
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Am still catching up - but just wanted to thank you Marly for interspersing Allison's words here, amongst Pinocchio's crud.
I am so glad that we have a record of her voice and that it's being heard!!!
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