The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 30th June - Trial Day 12, Week 3

[Bronson95]

Note that this was written in Nov 2008, (affair with Toni got physical in August 2008). So this is the time span he's covering in court atm, when Allison was supposedly incapable due to depression...

Wow, have just checked out the blog page and found the accused's entry dated 28.08.2008 is titled - Big Bang!

It was only mentioned in court today, that the physical relationship with TM commenced on that same date....

 

[PrimeSuspect]

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 41s
In Sydney for a conference he had another liaison #badenclay


David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 45s
He got together with another woman, Jackie Crane, that weekend #badenclay


David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 53s
That was the only time we had sex - Gerard #badenclay

 

[drsleuth]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · now

Gerard: A relationship that I had with another woman previously who was also attending that conference, we got together. #badenclay

Gerard said he got together for a physical relationship with the woman. It was the only time he had sex with her. #badenclay


Gerard says Jocelyn approached Toni asking whether she was having an affair with him. She denied it, then acknowledged. #badenclay

 

[Mrs G Norris]

This guy slept with everyone he could .. there are probably hundreds.

 

[drsleuth]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 30s

Gerard says the partners spoke to him about Toni during the partnership breakdown. #badenclay

Gerard says at one meeting during the floods the "issue of Toni was raised". #badenclay

 

[BJsleuth]

Do Austrailian juries have to vote unanimously in order to get a guilty verdict?

Yes. Unanimous.

 

[Miss W]

I hope when the prosecution cross examine him they are about all the lies and contradicting stories he has told and he stumbles because he doesn't understand the question he reminds of Jodi arias

 

[drsleuth]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 15s

Gerard: I admitted to them that there were occasions when I was effectively sleeping with Toni for the sake of the business. #badenclay

Gerard says that got back to Toni. "She was quite justifiably very unhappy about it." #badenclay

 

[Susan12]

It might be true that he assisted Allison a lot like he says and that he looked after the children, too. This is only evidence of fatherhood, not being a miracle-worker.

However if he wants to be found not guilty he and his lawyer have to establish with as much force as possible that Allison was likely to commit suicide, and in order to do so he and his team have to forcibly ram home the suicide theory, showing that Allison was incapable of leading a normal day-to-day life. If I'm correct, his team must initially present an alternative theory (suicide) and then stick with this theory (I don't think they can change their defence argument part-way through... but I haven't looked up what the law is here in QLD for that. Maybe it's an American court-only rule, but I doubt it - otherwise courtrooms would turn into a circus?)

However I believe a lot of his testimony is contradictory - e.g. how could he be home every day at 5pm to help with the kids if he admitted he stayed late at work about 4 times a week to conduct his affair with Toni? That's why he's getting a lot of mudslinging in his direction - most of his statements don't add up.

Yeah I agree. I think they're burning the suicide theory a bit though because on the stand he's said she was doing better as he said in the police interview tape that morning she was missing that the jury heard. So if anything he has supported the theory she was depressed but was improved more recently.

He also has the problem of explaining how she got to the bridge without a car when walking to it is unlikely especially without being seen and how she would have killed herself with no broken bones, not drowning and no sign of toxicology overdose or medication possession sufficient enough to use. Easier ways to kill yourself and why hide your body?

 

[they'll get you]

Where's the bucket

I'm using it!

 

[Amee]

This guy slept with everyone he could .. there are probably hundreds.

He thinks he is Hugh Hefner uke:

 

[PrimeSuspect]

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 1m
Gerard, Frost, Broom had a meeting during the floods, issue of Toni was raised #badenclay



:facepalm:

 

[drsleuth]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 21s

Gerard says they got back together "for the sake of the business". #badenclay

Gerard says in September, 2011, he got a phone call from Allison wanting to meet him. #badenclay

Gerard says he was at the office and Allison called and said they had to talk. "I sensed straight away what it was about."

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Caroline Overington ‏@overingtonc 51s
He didn't want her to leave the business and damage it #badenclay

Oh now that is just plain rude, what is he implying there for gods sake, that he had to keep her sweet by sleeping with her for fear of what revenge she'd take? He really is a piece of work.

 

[Meryl12]

Kimster, the different states have their own rules.
In Queensland (where the Baden-Clay trial is), the law requires a "Unanimous Verdict"
Ref:
http://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/do...ublications/ResearchBriefs/2006/RBR200604.pdf
I can save you from reading all that, it simply says "a unanimous verdict is necessary".
Some states only require a majority verdict, this trial is in Queensland so Queensland's rule apply.
:websleuther:

 

[drsleuth]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 11s

Gerard says he suggested they meet at Indooroopilly McDonald's not far from the office. #badenclay

 

[Amee]

12:03pm: "Moving back to 2010, going into 2011, were you at that time still having an affair with Ms McHugh?" defence counsel Michael Byrne QC asked.

Mr Baden-Clay replied: "Yes I was."

Mr Byrne: "Did you attend a conference in Sydney?"

Mr Baden-Clay: "Yes I did."

Mr Byrne: "Did you have a liaison with another person?"

Mr Baden-Clay: "Yes I did ... I was going to a conference in Sydney for the weekend."

He said he met a woman with whom he had previously worked.

"We got together for a physical relationship on that weekend," Mr Baden-Clay said.

Mr Byrne asked: "Who was that person?"

Mr Baden-Clay replied: "Jackie Crane."

Mr Byrne: "How long did that last?"

Mr Baden-Clay: "That was the only time that we actually had sex."

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...y-12-week-4-20140630-3b2vi.html#ixzz365H2oT6o

 

[Humdinger]

He said reinvestment in the business was through staff recruitment and in office technology.

The accused said his wife fell pregnant in 2006.

“As soon as she knew she was pregnant her mood certainly brightened a lot,” he said.

He said they went for a 12-week scan where there was an opportunity to determine the gender but his wife asked not to know.

Baden-Clay said they agreed he would know the child’s sex and it was a girl.

“Having another girl, I felt a confidence I knew how to change their nappies and how to care for them and look after them, so I was in a way, quite relieved but I was worried how Allison would take that news,” he said.

He said his wife was still seeing psychiatrist Dr Tom George and her mood generally was good.

He said in the third trimester she experienced more negative mood swings and they organised to have an elective caesarean section to control the delivery.

Baden-Clay said he spoke to Dr George about the child’s gender.

“Because Allison was so set on wanting to have a boy and I knew it was a girl and I was concerned there may be some emotional backlash for Allison when she had the girl,” he said.

He said his third daughter was born on September 15, 2006.

Baden-Clay said his wife’s initial reaction was shock

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226971633938

12 week scan is not the gender scan, it's for growth, dating and checking NT. 20 week scan is when you can find out sex!

Sorry if already been covered, as usual I'm not quite up to date.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 2m
He admitted in the meeting there were occasions he was was sleeping with Toni for the sake of the business #badenclay


Katrina Blowers ‏@katrinablowers 1m
#badenclay tells court he was sleeping w Toni McHugh 'for the sake of the business' because she was strong sales performer. @7NewsBrisbane



omg! So GBC will prostitute himself for the business? :scared: jmo

 

[Susan12]

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 4s

Gerard says he was still having an "on again off again" affair with Toni in 2010.

Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 11s

Gerard says when he went to a conference in Sydney, he had a liaison with another woman, while seeing Toni. #badenclay

So he was with Toni because of no sex with Allison and the poor man just needed some. So then the affair with the other woman was because...?