The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 30th June - Trial Day 12, Week 3

[Amee]

1:19pm Wrap: So far today ...

* The court has heard more from Mr Baden-Clay who broke down sobbing in the witness box at least four times.

* When he regained his composure the former real estate agent spoke about his marriage, his multiple affairs and his business dealings.

* He told the court he wanted his family to "stay together forever" but strayed from his marriage because he "just wanted sex".

* The 43-year-old also recalled the day his affair with his long-time mistress Toni McHugh began. He also recalled the day his wife discovered the affair.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...y-12-week-4-20140630-3b2vi.html#ixzz365gNtZhH

 

[Consider]

*cringe*

I think somewhere (maybe that blog) he listed his fave movie as Top Gun?

I'd like to know what a psychologist makes of fully grown adults who refer to themselves as Superman, Wonder Woman, etc.

Nick names like GG, Bruce Overland...

I don't get it. I know it goes on among teenage boys (mostly I would have thought) But what's the deal with professional family men and women having these 'associations' in their daily lives.

imo

Surely it's a deficiency, inadequacy, immaturity, insecurity or 'type'.

Anyone?

 

[Trooper]

I'd like to know what a psychologist makes of fully grown adults who refer to themselves as Superman, Wonder Woman, etc.

Nick names like GG, Bruce Overland...

I don't get it. I know it goes on among teenage boys (mostly I would have thought) But what's the deal with professional family men and women having these 'associations' in their daily lives.

imo

Surely it's a deficiency, inadequacy, immaturity, insecurity or 'type'.

Anyone?

we just call it stupid, in my house.. the stupid syndrome, if we ever get detailed about it..

 

[BJsleuth]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/day-12-gerard-badenclay-on-trial-accused-of-murdering-wife-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226971633938[/url]

<RSBM>

Except, there is a call to her from G's phone on 19th, the DAY BEFORE he reports his wife missing - why?

 

[volunteer]

Didn't the defence suggest that he was not under stress? Interesting reaction from somebody not under stress, I would have thought....

Dr. Watson - you took the words right out of my mouth!

 

[BatWoman]

Lol never thought you were and I reckon it's good to hear another voice outside the 'group think'.

Big hole though. Things were better financially by end 2011 so why were credit cards not paid and only 20 bucks to your name eh?

That must be Allison's fault because he claims she was looking after the personal finances. :eyeroll:

 

[Janeumayer]

Baden-Clay said they decided to bring Ms Frost on board as a partner, as well, rather than have her work nearby in competition.

“They both paid $25,000 each to become one-third owners in the business,” he said.

He said the money was paid directly to Peter Cranna, Baden-Clay’s friend, who he borrowed money from to start the business.



http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226971633938

Just realized something. Maybe the real reason Gerard wanted to add more partners was too obtain money to pay his debt. I see a pattern forming.

 

[Snails]

<RSBM>



Except, there is a call to her from G's phone on 19th, the DAY BEFORE he reports his wife missing - why?

A wise person once said "give someone enough rope . . . " Keep talking Gerred.

 

[Trooper]

I'd like to know what a psychologist makes of fully grown adults who refer to themselves as Superman, Wonder Woman, etc.

Nick names like GG, Bruce Overland...

I don't get it. I know it goes on among teenage boys (mostly I would have thought) But what's the deal with professional family men and women having these 'associations' in their daily lives.

imo

Surely it's a deficiency, inadequacy, immaturity, insecurity or 'type'.

Anyone?

the correct word for Gerard's deficiency is the Dunning-Kruger Effect...

 

[Tishy]

It's a bit early to call Quote of the Day but hey, I'm game..
'..my loyalty...it doesn't feel right using that word....'

Yep....because it's NOT RIGHT.

Here's a tip for you, Big Boy. When that Little Voice starts speaking in your ear, you're supposed to Listen to it.

 

[redlightthroughpaper]

I'd love to get verification of how often this actually happened

I can verify that it happened regularly. He often had the little one on his knee at Chamber of Commerce meetings around that time. I saw it first hand.

 

[Trooper]

the thing about Jocelyn Frost and Gerard's crankiness because she spent her wages on travel and jewellery is because Ms Frost was spending HER OWN MONEY.. not borrowed money, not fraudulently acquired money, not siphoned off money from other peoples profit, but her very own money!!.. it must have made him turn blue with rage..

 

[BJsleuth]

It sounds like he was telling everyone what they wanted to hear. He was playing the lot and can,t seem to help it.

MOO

 

[marlywings]

A wise person once said "give someone enough rope . . . " Keep talking Gerred.

It wouldn't surprise me if he passes the rope to TM.

 

[Trooper]

anybody's money belonged in some parallel world , to Gerard... Everybody's money, actually........ it was all his, people used it without his express permission or advice , and how intolerable that was.... using 'his ' money for their own purposes.. what a shock..

 

[catswhiskers]

11:00am: Mr Baden-Clay said his wife often wrote affirmations in her journal.

"She would often write 'I'm not depressed, I'm not depressed'," Mr Baden-Clay said.

"But as the pressures, if you like, of family life, growing a business and raising three children, I felt that if she kept telling herself that she wasn't depressed ... then I had more of an expectation that she was able to do more when I wasn't around and we could have more of a relationship.

"Because as it was we were almost living separate lives. When we were together she would go to bed ... and when we were apart she would look after the children and do everything else."

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...y-12-week-4-20140630-3b2vi.html#ixzz3651ThhlQ

Playing catch up again here.

I'd love to lay money on the fact that the reason Allison needed at the very least a nap so early in the afternoon (a questionable claim of his at best, though I can relate to sweating on a partner coming in the door so I could go and have a snooze after dealing with a baby and toddler on my own all day) was because she was the one getting up and down to children during the night. I can't recall any mention of middle of the night feeds/changes or similar?? I can vouch for how upset and resentful that can make a sleepless mum who has to listen to her partner snore away through all the night's ups and downs. And no sex at home for GBC?.... Poor diddums! Please!! He had to bath and feed his own children for a while and felt put out and neglected because he wasn't getting enough attention at home? :banghead:

I also have a theory that his whining tone of voice evolved rapidly after the birth of his children, when he discovered he wasn't the centre of poor Allison's universe any longer!

Sorry for the rant - the continual references to what I believe were highly understandable feelings of depression on Allison's part are really making my blood boil. Becoming a mum and finding out how unexpectedly difficult it can be is a reality for an awful lot of women - I can relate to everything I have read about Allison's post partum behaviour and moods etc.The big difference is that she was also dealing with HIM and his dodgy behaviour.

 

[JK673]

I can verify that it happened regularly. He often had the little one on his knee at Chamber of Commerce meetings around that time. I saw it first hand.

What are your thoughts on this whole thing?

 

[Neuromancer]

So they only saw Camel Ritchie the once, and that was on April 16th - three nights before Allison disappeared. And their first 15-minute venting session was mainly about the details of the venting sessions (he just said that).

So, given that those sessions were supposed to be every 2nd night, the next - and only other - one would have been on the 18th, the night they went out for coffee together with NBC and co doing the baby-sitting.

Interesting timing.....

Also - I just found myself digging through the phone records again:

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18 Apr 2012 11: 59 am Text msg Allison to GBC
'Having fun with your companion? Hope you're not putting any seats down in the back of Snowy ?

reply from GBC 12:19 pm
'I'm sorry that you feel this way. You have nothing lo be concerned about. Feel free to call or text me any time. Love, G'.

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Not happy, G

 

[Janeumayer]

It is sometimes prescribed PRN for times like PMT or when someone knows that they are going to be in a stressful situation.

Not Zoloft. It takes from two to four weeks for it to work properly. Also, it has to be gradually increased to the right amount and grafually decreased when you want to stop taking it. I took Zoloft for over five years and I took myself off of it without my Doctor knowing and went back into depression.

 

[BJsleuth]

He objected to the 15 minute questioning from Allison and just wanted to move forward. It took the counsellor some time to convince him. Did he just tell Ms Richie and Allison what they wanted to hear in that regard too? It made him angry that it couldn't be swept under the carpet.