The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 30th June - Trial Day 12, Week 3

[Amee]

4.30pm: Baden-Clay told the jury he drove in a Holden Captiva around Brookfield for around 20 minutes looking for his wife.

He said he called his sister during the search and asked her if she thought it was too early to phone police.

The accused said she told him to do so.

“I didn’t want to panic, I still just thought Al must be on her walk somewhere and so I looked up the police number on my phone on the internet and there was a 13 number, rather than calling the emergency number, because it wasn’t like a fire burning a house down or something like that and I didn’t want to misuse the service,” he said.

He said it went to an automated service and in the end he called 000.

Baden-Clay said he drove home and found his father at home with his daughters.

He said his sister was leaving to take his daughters to school when two police constables arrived at the Brookfield Rd home.

Baden-Clay said two more senior police arrived shortly afterwards.

“They started asking me pretty much all the same questions again,” he said.

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[Cattail]

Mr Baden-Clay: "No I have no recollection of that ... I have no recollection of whether or not Allison came to bed that night."



Mr Baden-Clay said he was a heavy sleeper but would wake if the children made "the slightest noise".

No you would be either a heavy or a light sleeper Not both!

Sorry to disagree. My kids dad sleeps with nothing waking him. Once at a motel he slept through his alarm which was so loud it woke his rellies in other rooms.

But when the kids were young he would wake at their noises often before me.



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[Amee]

At that stage nobody was aware of the infidelity and I think I asked Dad to leave the room at that point, and I told them…

“I couldn’t understand how it might assist them but I was asked the question and told them the truth.”

He said he half expected his wife to walk in the door at any moment and that was why he didn’t call his wife’s parents straight away.

Baden-Clay said he spoke to Geoff Dickie (Allison’s father) on the mobile and told him his daughter was missing.

He said he greeted them when they arrived.

“I was my normal self, I was obviously very concerned about Allison and her whereabouts but I didn’t want to be hysterical or alarmist, I just assumed she would turn up,” he said.

The accused said his father called him and told him he was concerned about the line of questioning from police.

He said his father asked him for permission to ring a lawyer.

“I actually argued with him a little bit to start with… I said Dad, I don’t think there is any need to do that… he was quite persistent though and I think he actually asked for my permission, ‘Is it OK if I call someone?’, and I said, ‘OK’, ” he said.

Baden-Clay said the lawyer he spoke to told him not to give any statements to police and put him in touch with a criminal lawyer.

“A short while later he called me back with Darren Mahony’s details,” he said.

The accused said Mr Mahony told him not to speak to police.

Baden-Clay said he had already spoken to officers for three or four hours on April 20, 2012.

He said he gave police permission to search the house without warrants.

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[alioop]

Well, he has confirmed by his own words that he is a liar.....the question is how many people has he lied to....Allison, Family, Toni, Business Partners, Friends, Medical Professionals, Counsellors, Police, Defence Attorneys, and/or Jury?

So he has confirmed he is a liar and that he and Allison were fine and there was no reason for her to kill herself.

 

[BreakingNews]

What an absolutely boring day in court. But I'm ok, just a little bit hurt because no one ever asks me how i am

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[Amee]

he accused said he was told he was not able to help in the search for his wife.

Baden-Clay said his home was declared a crime scene and he went to his parent’s house at Kenmore.

He told the jury he met with the lawyer, Mr Mahony, that evening, who advised him to see a couple of doctors about the cuts on his face.

The accused said he went to the Taringa 24-hour medical centre the next day and another clinic to have the marks examined.

Baden-Clay said he got a written report from each doctor on the advice of Mr Mahony.

He said he got up and went straight to the forward command post at the Brookfield Showgrounds on Saturday morning, April 21, 2012.

The accused said he continued to give statements to police, contrary to the advice of his lawyer.

Baden-Clay said he did not give a formal statement to police on the advice of his lawyer.

The jury was shown a record of phone calls.

Barrister Michael Byrne QC, for Baden-Clay, pointed out a phone call from the accused to Robert Cheesman made at 2.58pm on April 19, 2012.

“That would have been me calling Rob from his house probably. You can see the location is Pullenvale and I would have been calling him just to update him on how things were going with the final touches to his house… I suspect that may have just been a message for him,” he said.

Baden-Clay agreed the next call was from his mother, Elaine Baden-Clay.

He said he had to be back to Brookfield State School for a parent-teacher interview at 3.45pm that day and would have made a couple of phone calls on the journey.

The trial will resume at 10am.

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[Cattail]

You are probably right.

However the jury are just normal people like myself, what if they are thinking like I am ? :twocents:

Yes with probably a lot less knowledge about the case than you


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[Trooper]

What an absolutely boring day in court. But I'm ok, just a little bit hurt because no one ever asks me how i am

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I want to know everything, Breaking!!... his tone, his body language, the LOT!!..


so demanding... I had a bit of a Toni moment, then.

 

[Amee]

:facepalm:


I'm still catching up. Thank you wonderful retweeters and posters!! :loveyou:

Thank You also Prime. I missed you this afternoon boy those tweets fly fast :blushing:

 

[Timmy]

Maybe Alioop can answer.... Might be a silly question BUT how much emphasis would be put on the fact that he lied about the scratch marks. I mean obviously outside of a court of law that has a huge impact on me personally about how I feel about him as a person and makes me not trust anything that comes out of his mouth.... But in a court..... Does it have as much importance? I've never done jury duty so I am just interested in how this comes into play if at all. I know it doesn't make him a murderer BUT what other reason does he have to lie about that? That's sort of where the whole thing started to unravel bit by bit.

 

[BatWoman]

He managed to ramble along for so long about the early years, and a lot of that was contrary to evidence testified by other people who have nothing to gain, and redirect blame to others where it didn't even matter in the scheme of things, that I can't trust him. By the time he got to the disappearance I'd pretty much forgotten the prosecution's witnesses, so that went in his favour. I picked up lots of lies because I've seen the witness statements etc, but the jury won't have. Still, when he's so obviously lying about the razor cuts and the fact she went for a walk, it would be hard to find him not guilty. i'm hoping that x-examination is a little more forceful than the prosecution's case and that it will seal the deal for the jury. Remember, he's very skilled in making things appear better than they are and telling people what will make them happy rather than the truth.

 

[alioop]

So all is hunky dory according to GBC. Allison is in her pj's ( did they ever find them) he goes to bed and she ends up dead from non natural causes 13 Kms away. Car at home, phone missing. Just not believable that he had nothing to do with it. Even if he was rolling in money and had not promised to leave his wife for his girlfriend or have scratches on his face, it's still not believable.

 

[Walk A Mile]

Yes I did and confirmed it was called something like Ham Sandwich and was on at that time and had lots of references to taking the fifth in it. I actually believe his explanation to be true about that. In his second bail application he signed a stat dec explaining it. This was pretty much all that was in the stat dec. he could have said so many other things in it but no, just this about taking the fifth explanation. That's why I think it's true as he didn't explain anything else just that. That and it was on Tv that night.

Thanks! Much appreciated.

 

[Timmy]

I wonder what Gerrid thinks 'really happened?' What's his theory?

Yeah.... I wrote this same thing in a post recently. Would love to know the answer to that.

 

[they'll get you]

Furthermore, it was the right side of the face, where he'd probably start if right handed, and he didn't mention that he had to change the blade. He managed to finish his entire face with the one that scratched him 3 times incident free.

Great thinking. That never occurred to me.

 

[Trooper]

no doubt about it, though.. Gerard has had bad luck for so long now.. maybe the culmination of it all, is just as he and his wife, ( who is fooled into thinking the affair has ended ) are back in the same bed together, guess what?? she ups and hurls herself off the Kholo bridge in the dark of night , leaving him the beneficiary of her insurance policies.... finally, a stroke of good luck for Bad Luck Gerard... ..

a wife that lays around all day like Camille, in the opera la Traviata, 3 girls when a son is needed to tip the scales on a dodge baronetcy, a wife who his mum and dad and sister are not too happy with, because she lost control of her bladder once... has trouble keeping a job, finally, dad and mum buy him one, only to find he cant seem to rachet it up to mogul status in a year.. to expand he has to take partners, and guess what?? they spend their money recklessly, and then the floods hit!!..

and then ,guess what?? after putting the hard word on one employee , he does it again, except this one clings like glue.. no matter what he does, he cannot get her to set him free , free to enjoy life with the wife and fiddley dids ,all tucked up back in the rented house.. ... he is driven , against his better nature to lie to her, and now he has to lie to the wife, as well.

and then.. one night.. .. all that bad luck seems to vanish, ... except no one will believe him!!.. he HAS the good luck and then the rotten QPS arrest him and charge him with murder!!.. he doesn't get bail!!.. back on the Bad Luck roundabout..

its almost too too sad..

 

[Aunty]

What was the drug Allison was injecting for weight loss? We have heard nothing of this since it was mentioned once in this trial. I have been trying to find such a drug online and I'm having no luck. Does anyone have any idea what it could be?

Maybe she meant ingesting not injecting ?

 

[marlywings]

I wonder what Gerrid thinks 'really happened?' What's his theory?

Yeah.... I wrote this same thing in a post recently. Would love to know the answer to that.

Testament according to GBC would be that Allison went for a walk to Kholo & jumped off the bridge.

That makes about as much sense as his two days of testimony on the stand.

 

[Susan12]

“I didn’t want to panic, I still just thought Al must be on her walk somewhere and so I looked up the police number on my phone on the internet and there was a 13 number, rather than calling the emergency number, because it wasn’t like a fire burning a house down or something like that and I didn’t want to misuse the service,” he said.

If that's the case, that he wasn't so worried, then why the rushing panic that apparently caused him to scratch his face with a razor without noticing.

 

[Cattail]

a reasonable doubt....that would be based on??

I have been hoping for physical evidence to tie him to either or both of the body and Kholo Creek.




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