The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 7th July - Trial Day 15

[they'll get you]

Oh no, TGY. His Morals would surely stand in the way.
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He'll get it AAALLLLL !

Morals? :gaah:

 

[catswhiskers]

I know nothing of this world where someone is comfy asking friends (x3) for loans of $90 000 each. I wouldn't even ask a friend for $90 in a pinch. And to go begging cap in hand for hundreds of thousands from BF!? It's an alternate universe I tell you. Earlier I sat here checking my bank account feeling mortified that my tiddly little $1500 credit card is only a few hundred dollars short of being maxed out this month.

 

[Bobbie Elliott]

hell. my dog has net assets worth $78,000.00

She (or he) is obviously better money manager than GBC - not surprising really.

 

[Tishy]

Toni 'Wallpaper' McHugh....

I cannot get over it..

It's a metaphor rich with creative possibilities, hey Trooper

 

[enthralled]

Its not hard to undress and redress a dead body- just ask a nurse

So true Pastafarian.
I dress and undress LIVE inert bodies at work and even that is not difficult.

 

[emirates1957]

Maybe it should be hyphenated !!!

 

[Fuskier]

I did remember reading that, and I thought there could be 2 explanations for it - 1. He was setting the scene for something planned by planting it in the child's mind about Mum being "sick" ie depressed OR 2. Allison was upset, but hiding it, because she had been told that TM would be at the Conference the next day. Not sure if the above are relevant, would depend on the timing I guess, of when he apparently said this. It might not mean anything significant either.

Some further thoughts: it is also possible that he was 'suggesting' the child to leave mum alone i.e. don't bother her; let her watch tv on the couch - because she is sick. [this prevents the child from approaching mum at that point]. In addition it was alleged that Allison had a cold earlier that same week.

On the point raised by the DT that Gerard was an accountant/real estate agent and would not know how to clean a crime scene: Gerard stated under Oath that he undertook 80% of the domestic tasks because Allison lay about on the couch or in bed once he got home. So firstly, we can assume he did know how to clean the house. Secondly, he had specific knowledge of how to present a house/property in its best condition for sale purposes paying attention to detail; thirdly, Mrs Dickie noted that the house was very, very tidy on the morning of the 20th April 2012. So we can assume that Gerard did know how to clean a mess in the house and present it for inspection as he was used to doing this as part of earning a living. According to Mrs Dickie's testimony, on the morning of the 20th April she noted the house had been cleaned beyond of its usual presentation. My opinion only. :twocents:

 

[Phantom's Diana]

Francene Norton ‏@francenenorton 1m
Byrne: where's the mud? #badenclay @abcnews

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 55s
Police found no evidence of a clean up in the car. There's no mud - defence #badenclay

Leonie Mellor ‏@leoniemellor 1m
Byrne: points to police evidence - no obvious clean up of Captiva and no mud. @abcnews #badenclay

IMO he put down a tarp or plastic to lay Allison on hence no plant material or evidence of DNA an probably put plastic on his drivers seat and floor too when he returned to the car after disposing of her body so as not to leave evidence of his shoe prints etc

 

[Freya1977]

Oh no, TGY. His Morals would surely stand in the way.
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Only on weekends!

 

[they'll get you]

'on the bones of their ' ?quote from Gerard Baden-Clay !

 

[possumheart]

It's a metaphor rich with creative possibilities, hey Trooper

“This wallpaper and I are fighting a duel to the death. Either it goes or I do.”
– Oscar Wlde

 

[Thinking]

Thinking - Allison had been sick with a cold for several days, she talked about it with the hairdresser I think. That's probably why G told his daughter Allison was sick and to be nice to her.

Yes that's right manniemoo, thanks for reminding me, I'd forgotten that

 

[they'll get you]

Toni 'Wallpaper' McHugh....

I cannot get over it..

You wouldn't tear it down- you wanna burn the house!

 

[KG1]

View attachment Accountant report by Kelly beckett part 2[1].pdf

Marly I can't find the bail documents. Can you please give me a link. I am wanting to check the forensic accountants statement.

Are these the ones you want Ali?

 

[enthralled]

David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 1m
Crown says he drives home afterwards. Do you think such a scenario is even possible - defence #badenclay
You have been to that site and ventured down the side of the bridge in daylight - defence #badenclay


Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 52s
Byrne tells jury they've "walked the walk", down muddy bank of Kholo Creek, to where body was found. "Is it even possible?" #badenclay

sorry about being behind with my comments.
Mr Byrne forgot to mention that it had not rained for a while and the ground would have been dry, not muddy. The path down to where the body was found was not as steep then as it is now.
Silent murder, not difficult when you smother someone when they are asleep and you position yourself right. Children not hearing anything doesn't mean a thing.
Byrne if that's all you have I suggest you try a trade job.

 

[ilk28]

June 11, 2014

Earlier, the court heard from forensic pathologist Dr Nathan Milne, who examined Mrs Baden-Clay’s body.
Dr Milne had taken notes from Mrs Baden-Clay’s medical records before carrying out his post-mortem examination.
He said he noted that Mrs Baden-Clay had been diagnosed with depression and was prone to anxiety, as well as transient suicidal thoughts.
The trial before Justice John Byrne continues.


http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...disappeared-20140611-zs43t.html#ixzz36kcrjLvD

June 21, 2014
Dr George said his assessment was Ms Baden-Clay was suffering more from depression than anxiety and so his treatment was aimed more at that in the hope they would subsequently relieve the associated anxiety.

“She was an anxious person at the best of times and people who have an anxious temperament, when they suffer depression, are likely to experience a baseline anxiety and she went on to suffer panic attacks,” Dr George said.

He agreed he wrote in the report that she was prone to transient suicidal reports.

http://m.news.com.au/QLD/fi11762233.htm

Psychiatrist Tom George
That report was dated Sept. 23, 2003.

 

[Berry]

Wonder why they ARE HAVING 1/2 HOUR LEGAL ARGUMENT...at this stage of Closing Statements

 

[JK673]

Wonder why they ARE HAVING 1/2 HOUR LEGAL ARGUMENT...at this stage of Closing Statements

where does it say that?

 

[JK673]

Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 1h
Queensland Supreme Court adjourns until 2pm for legal discussion, back at 2.30pm with jury #badenclay

ok found it

 

[Amee]

“For the six years she was under my care, she had been depressed but she had not done anything to self-harm,” he said.

In re-examination by Crown prosecutor Danny Boyle, he agreed in the letter to the GP in 2003, he was relating two items from a depression rating scale, designed particularly for ante-natal and prenatal depression....

He said Ms Baden-Clay rated herself as thinking of harming herself: “hardly ever”.

Dr George said he asked her to answer the same question two months later and she answered: “Never”.

http://m.news.com.au/QLD/pg/2/fi11762233.htm