The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 9th July - Trial Day 17

[Tangled_Web]

To the court goers today - how was TF's final sum up? Did he use the pointing finger to wag at GBC. Was Judge Byrne's talk easy listening or did you struggle to stay awake like when Barrister Byrne was talking?

In a word, I think they were both brilliant. I thought Judge Byrne brought the facts together in the form of a very coherent story.
For me, some connections were made and others were reinforced very strongly. I will try to put some more thoughts together when I catch my breath.

TF did use "THIS MAN ..." at least once or twice when referring to GBC. He also used the phrase "business as usual" again.

When TF concluded (with "... he just wanted to wipe the slate clean") and then sat down, I really had to resist the urge to stand up and applaud!

I felt there was a lot for the jury to take in from Judge Byrne, but it was presented in an understandable and accessible way. I have to admit I almost nodded off during some of the instructions/definitions but that was more a reflection of my sleep deprivation (due to reading about this case) than anything else.

 

[Amee]

He said there was a vacuum in the boot of a Holden Commodore sedan.

He said he tested the vacuum and obtained a weak TMB reaction, but put it down to rust.

He said he received a negative reaction after testing for blood on the brush.

Sen-Constable Streeting said he could also perform a confirmatory test to determine whether a blood sample was human or from an animal.


The jury was shown a photo of the interior of the Holden Captiva.

He said there may have been botanical evidence taken from the car.

Sen-Sgt Taylor said a vacuum device was used to search for scientific evidence in the car.

http://m.news.com.au/QLD/fi11757133.htm

sorry to post this again but the vacuum talk makes me want to :banghead:

 

[Smegal]

Well now I'm a little but hurt . . . Pie Face instead? :floorlaugh:

 

[FigTree]

:tyou: :tyou: :tyou:
To the WS Tweet and MSM Team for todays updates, and you did it in style and under pressure from the server gremlins and the Reporters technical difficulties - you guys brought it home!!
3 Cheers to you all!!

 

[Karo]

I think he will be found guilty of manslaughter and I do believe they (jury) will need to persuade some people to that because it is human nature to be concerned about making a wrong choice.

 

[ozazure]

Not to sound like a broken record but how often do notice injuries on yourself well after the fact? I don't know about you but I'm forever finding decent sized cuts and bruises and have no idea how I've done them. Likewise if you asked me what, if any injuries my partner may have had recently you'd be met with a blank stare and a shrug of the shoulders (excluding really obvious things of course).

I remember once I was opening a gate to visit a friend and opened it across the top of my little toe and a little way down my foot, at the time I thought "I'm okay, just a little bit hurt" (gotta fit in with the crowd you know) but forgot about it by the time I got to the front door. Friend came out and she said something less polite than "what on earth did you do to your foot", looked down and it was literally covered in blood. Looked like I had tried to self amputate or something, washed the blood off and within a few minutes you would have had to have had a foot fetish to even realise I had a wound there.

You are not wrong, it definitely happens, I have done it. So do shaving injuries, broken lightbulbs, caterpillar bites and car accidents. However he needs to change his name to Lemony Snickett if we are to believe the unfortunate series of events explaining all these injuries and dismiss the idea that they occurred in a lethal struggle. Like I said, there is evidence that the scratches are most likely done by fingernails, the witness didn't corroborate the broken lightbulb, there is evidence suggesting the car crash was faked. So we don't even get past "possible" with those. I'll give him possible and plausible that a caterpillar got on him the day before, not that I think it is probable his chest injuries are from self scratching but whatever, that gets further down the garden path. So yes it is possible that the blood was from an earlier injury for Allison but I can't give any credence to plausible or probable with no further evidence, given there is some pretty strong evidence she met with enough violence to die that night.

 

[Snails]

In a word, I think they were both brilliant. I thought Judge Byrne brought the facts together in the form of a very coherent story.
For me, some connections were made and others were reinforced very strongly. I will try to put some more thoughts together when I catch my breath.

TF did use "THIS MAN ..." at least once or twice when referring to GBC. He also used the phrase "business as usual" again.

When TF concluded (with "... he just wanted to wipe the slate clean") and then sat down, I really had to resist the urge to stand up and applaud!

I felt there was a lot for the jury to take in from Judge Byrne, but it was presented in an understandable and accessible way. I have to admit I almost nodded off during some of the instructions/definitions but that was more a reflection of my sleep deprivation (due to reading about this case) than anything else.

I felt he was firm but not overly forceful. Just laying down the bare facts. I also had to resist the urge to stand up and applaud when he finished with "wipe the slate clean". Love you Todd Fuller.

 

[Smegal]

That was all Gerard was trying to tell the jury member in his note! :wink:
"Your chair looks dodgy, I'm good with a screwdriver and I'm a nice guy, I'm here to help."

:floorlaugh: I read that and am now crying with laughter, trying to explain to hubby why. He just thinks I'm a nut. Thanks for the laugh, much needed!

 

[JCB]

I think he will be found guilty of manslaughter and I do believe they (jury) will need to persuade some people to that because it is human nature to be concerned about making a wrong choice.

I really feel for the jurors in serious matters such as this.

To be chosen to make a decision which may well see a human being incarcerated for the rest of their life must be a harrowing process, knowing that whatever decision you make will be broadcast to millions in the coming weeks and if you do convict there is always the chance of vacation of the verdict on appeal undoing all of your hard work.

To top it all off, hundreds, if not thousands of people have seen your face, many will know your name and that must be of some concern, particularly if you acquit. Call me paranoid but it would be in the back of my mind that someone may choose to exact revenge on me or one of my fellow jurors for a perceived unjust verdict.

The images will haunt every single one of them for the rest of their lives too, horrible stuff.

 

[Fuskier]

Just like there were no National Party members on Joh's jury :innocent:

I wondered if OBW knew something that we didn't when she came to court today smiling. My opinion only.

 

[Maigret]

I wondered if OBW knew something that we didn't when she came to court today smiling. My opinion only.

Nah she's just little miss sunshine

 

[BJsleuth]

How difficult would it be to to find blood on leaf litter? Leaves blow around or get walked on and separate. They're similar in colour that blood wouldn't stand out. It's possible the blood was absorbed, likely by the jumper, when her head/face has come into contact with the wheel arch, it's squeezed out of the fabric and dripped down. That's why it's not in or around the house and also why there was no leaf litter transferred to the boot - her jumper contained it.

 

[emirates1957]

It's chilling isn't it [emoji35]

Now that's a picture that says a thousand words.

 

[Aunty]

OMG what a day.
I managed to get into the main courtroom after lunch.
It was extremely tense and I felt quite overwhelmed at first.
Watched the BadenClays and the back of Gerards head.
The dickies were lovely.
It seemed like the place was full of websleuthers :loveyou:
I am on mobile and battery is at 7% so better go.

 

[Cattail]

How difficult would it be to to find blood on leaf litter? Leaves blow around or get walked on and separate. They're similar in colour that blood wouldn't stand out. It's possible the blood was absorbed, likely by the jumper, when her head/face has come into contact with the wheel arch, it's squeezed out of the fabric and dripped down. That's why it's not in or around the house and also why there was no leaf litter transferred to the boot - her jumper contained it.

It's definitely possible.


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[Freya1977]

To the court goers today - how was TF's final sum up? Did he use the pointing finger to wag at GBC. Was Judge Byrne's talk easy listening or did you struggle to stay awake like when Barrister Byrne was talking?

Fuller was great. He didn't do any finger-pointing but there were several gestures in Gerards direction when describing certain things. Judge had quite a nice speaking voice I thought, but of course it was very wordy and I found my mind wandering. I don't want to ever be on a jury I don't think!

 

[JCB]

I wondered if OBW knew something that we didn't when she came to court today smiling. My opinion only.

There was a case in the USA some years ago where a prominent underworld figure was on trial for murder and elected for a bench trial. Those in the court reported feeling extremely uneasy when the defendant waltzed in to hear the verdict with an overconfident grin. He was acquitted and it later emerged he had bribed the judge, led to clarification of the rule of double jeopardy where the first acquittal was tainted by corruption.

It's completely irrational but it always come into my mind whenever I see someone overtly happy or confident when they don't appear to have any reason to be, my OCD kicking in I guess.

 

[Freya1977]

there are no bc family members on the jury

lol!!!!!

 

[MadDoc]

His mind is probably wandering to what's on the menu at Arthur Gorrie tonight. Perhaps Wednesday is cooked goose night? :behindbar:

When do they serve humble pie?

 

[Freya1977]

In a word, I think they were both brilliant. I thought Judge Byrne brought the facts together in the form of a very coherent story.
For me, some connections were made and others were reinforced very strongly. I will try to put some more thoughts together when I catch my breath.

TF did use "THIS MAN ..." at least once or twice when referring to GBC. He also used the phrase "business as usual" again.

When TF concluded (with "... he just wanted to wipe the slate clean") and then sat down, I really had to resist the urge to stand up and applaud!

I felt there was a lot for the jury to take in from Judge Byrne, but it was presented in an understandable and accessible way. I have to admit I almost nodded off during some of the instructions/definitions but that was more a reflection of my sleep deprivation (due to reading about this case) than anything else.

I impulsively did almost applaud when he sat down!