"The Cult of Darlie"

[dasgal]

What happens on the rest of the internet doesn't interest me. Every poster that has ever come here to discuss the Routier case DOES care about the boys. They've cried for them and they pray for their souls, which is more than I can say about their own mother. Even those of us who think Darlie should be executed will not be doing a happy dance the day it happens.

I'll have to second what Jeana said. I spent 8 years thinking about these boys constantly. I sent flowers to their graves. I sent money to their memorial funds on various websites. I cared... as did many others. When the boys were brutally murdered, I had sons roughly the same ages. I have often wondered what kind of people Damon and Devon would have grown up to be if they weren't so brutally murdered in their childhood. What would they be doing now? Enjoying school and finding puppy love or more? What would they be learning in school? What experiences would they have to share with others?
And then you have Darlie, who has written poems about how they are better off, who has TV interviews in which she has talked non stop about herself and her "wealth", who has written to her supporters about how "unjust" prison life is, who did a glam shoot for her article in Glamour Magazine. This is the same lady who piles on the make-up for her yearly Christmas Card to supporters (while also begging for money), and lies to supporters in mail thinking these folks don't talk to one another. The same lady who let her babies be dug out of a joint grave so that she could peel the skin off their hands, knowing full well it was too late to get a definative answer on fingerprints. The same lady who has by my latest count come up with over 25 stories of what happened that night. The same lady who has now gone as far as trying to implicate her friends and family.
Know well that this is the lady you defend. Know also that the people who study this case are outraged over the loss of two perfect little souls who were taken from this earth long before their time was due.
Will I dance on Darlie's grave? No, I will not. I will pity her, and the desperation and self loathing that brought her to this horrible act. But every year I will take flowers to the grave belonging to the boys. And I will continue to contribute to websites that honor their memory.
Peace,
Cindy

 

[SanQuentinvisitor]

I'll have to second what Jeana said. I spent 8 years thinking about these boys constantly. I sent flowers to their graves. I sent money to their memorial funds on various websites. I cared... as did many others. When the boys were brutally murdered, I had sons roughly the same ages. I have often wondered what kind of people Damon and Devon would have grown up to be if they weren't so brutally murdered in their childhood. What would they be doing now? Enjoying school and finding puppy love or more? What would they be learning in school? What experiences would they have to share with others?
And then you have Darlie, who has written poems about how they are better off, who has TV interviews in which she has talked non stop about herself and her "wealth", who has written to her supporters about how "unjust" prison life is, who did a glam shoot for her article in Glamour Magazine. This is the same lady who piles on the make-up for her yearly Christmas Card to supporters (while also begging for money), and lies to supporters in mail thinking these folks don't talk to one another. The same lady who let her babies be dug out of a joint grave so that she could peel the skin off their hands, knowing full well it was too late to get a definative answer on fingerprints. The same lady who has by my latest count come up with over 25 stories of what happened that night. The same lady who has now gone as far as trying to implicate her friends and family.
Know well that this is the lady you defend. Know also that the people who study this case are outraged over the loss of two perfect little souls who were taken from this earth long before their time was due.
Will I dance on Darlie's grave? No, I will not. I will pity her, and the desperation and self loathing that brought her to this horrible act. But every year I will take flowers to the grave belonging to the boys. And I will continue to contribute to websites that honor their memory.
Peace,
Cindy

Hi Cindy; You don't know me, but I wanted to thank you so much for your impassioned response to those who support a woman like Darlie. Those children are the ONLY true victims in this entire mess. While I feel for her family, I also feel a bit odd that they encouraged Darlie to do 'whatever' it might take to free herself; even if that meant digging her children up to keep this facade going.
I am so sick and tired of those 'irrational' supporter types who grasp on to these cases with an iron clasp while building ridiculous theories and stories, to try to excuse the true evidence.
I know most here, if not all, had a long hard road to drive before finally realizing what this suburban mother of three could do to her kids, what only a monster is capable of doing.

What's interesting though is that if the shoe were on the other foot, and what I've learned about Darlie's personality, do you think she would be one to be so vigorous in her support of a person accussed of doing this crime, or would she be planning her next 'purchase' and 'vacation'. Something tells me that Darlie wasn't all that concerned with 'injustice' probably until the day she was arrested.

I, along with others never feel 'good' when they finally do excute Darlie, nor do I think Darlie is the main event here. She is just the reason this discussion has to happen in the first place. It is my hope that when Darlie is gone, only her children's memory will shine through. As it stands, Darlie is the only thing that seems to matter in the eyes of the supporters.

 

[beesy]

What's interesting though is that if the shoe were on the other foot, and what I've learned about Darlie's personality, do you think she would be one to be so vigorous in her support of a person accussed of doing this crime, or would she be planning her next 'purchase' and 'vacation'. Something tells me that Darlie wasn't all that concerned with 'injustice' probably until the day she was arrested.

I've asked some of her supporters, but have never received an answer. Take the same evidence, the same judge, jury, city, investigators, all of it. If Darlie had been found not guilty, would they still think her trial was unfair?

 

[dasgal]

Thank you for what you said. I don't think any of us take it lightly.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

What happens on the rest of the internet doesn't interest me. Every poster that has ever come here to discuss the Routier case DOES care about the boys. They've cried for them and they pray for their souls, which is more than I can say about their own mother. Even those of us who think Darlie should be executed will not be doing a happy dance the day it happens.

Whatever you do unto these little ones you do unto me.
Quote Jesus.

 

[dasgal]

Whatever you do unto these little ones you do unto me.
Quote Jesus.

Sorry, but what the heck does that have to do with the situation at hand? You obviously think Darlie is innocent, so what justice, by your reasoning, do these children have????????????????? Jesus is gonna set it all straight? Maybe Jesus already did.

 

[beesy]

I'll have to second what Jeana said. I spent 8 years thinking about these boys constantly. I sent flowers to their graves. I sent money to their memorial funds on various websites. I cared... as did many others. When the boys were brutally murdered, I had sons roughly the same ages. I have often wondered what kind of people Damon and Devon would have grown up to be if they weren't so brutally murdered in their childhood. What would they be doing now? Enjoying school and finding puppy love or more? What would they be learning in school? What experiences would they have to share with others?
And then you have Darlie, who has written poems about how they are better off, who has TV interviews in which she has talked non stop about herself and her "wealth", who has written to her supporters about how "unjust" prison life is, who did a glam shoot for her article in Glamour Magazine. This is the same lady who piles on the make-up for her yearly Christmas Card to supporters (while also begging for money), and lies to supporters in mail thinking these folks don't talk to one another. The same lady who let her babies be dug out of a joint grave so that she could peel the skin off their hands, knowing full well it was too late to get a definative answer on fingerprints. The same lady who has by my latest count come up with over 25 stories of what happened that night. The same lady who has now gone as far as trying to implicate her friends and family.
Know well that this is the lady you defend. Know also that the people who study this case are outraged over the loss of two perfect little souls who were taken from this earth long before their time was due.
Will I dance on Darlie's grave? No, I will not. I will pity her, and the desperation and self loathing that brought her to this horrible act. But every year I will take flowers to the grave belonging to the boys. And I will continue to contribute to websites that honor their memory.
Peace,
Cindy

I'll call 3rds on that one. Thank you for this post. I think you've said what many of us cannot put into words.

 

[Goody]

There's no evidence that Chad Patterson was involved in this crime. What you are suggesting smacks of conspiracy given his father's work in this case. He's just a red herring used by the defense, just as the dark car is a red herring. No make, no model, no plate no, no description of occupants. A dark car was stopped in the vicinity of the murders that very night and the occupants/car searched but nothing was found. What evidence would we expect to find in a car? There's no blood trail leading from the home, so no blood in the car. He left the murder weapon at the scene so no knife to be found, nothing stolen from the house so no goods, money, credit cards, or drugs to be found in the car.

I think that is the car Jane was talking about....registered to one of the girls and she was related to this cousin of Chad's " a couple of doors down." Have I got that right? The location of Chad's cousin sounds like the same house Mizer lived in. Is that possible? Come on, Jane and JG...enlighten us.

 

[Goody]

No Dani it wasn't. I accessed the real print and it was different. What can I say. I have no idea how Chris pulled it off, but then again, he snuck a hand scanner into the DAs evidence room. He's no dummy.

But the bottom line is that the real print was different that the print Chris showed me, and the blood pointed to one person only. And it wasn't Chad. It was Darlie.

If Chris is so smart and so into tests, why doesn't he come up with tests to show how the blood can land on the shirt in the same pattern as Bevel's tests showed they could? It would take more than a parlor trick to do that.

 

[Goody]

Spin or what.


............See this is what has me really mad about the whole affair. All the books and people who supposedly saw the case as a way to profit themselves.

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True crime books are only an accounting of what is witnessed and documented. They aren't geared toward anything but to give as much information as they can. Some authors share their opinions and some don't. Sime write more tabloidy than others, but it is up to the reader what to accept or discard. I think the more objective the reader is, the easier it is to do that. You can't rely on them exclusively but the information in them can help one who is researching a case.

I am not sure someone close to the defendant is objective enough to gain anything from them though. They might tend to focus more on the irrelevant because it is wounding or hurtful rather than on the important insights offered.

 

[Goody]

Yes, Darlie has ruined many people's lives, not just Damon and Devon's, not even just the families, but friends, and even strangers who get caught in her web.
Some of the Routier and Kee family didn't even see most of the trial. They weren't allowed in because they were testifying. They have recieved most of their information from others.IMO Then spew it on TV. The testimony usually contradicts what they say so that's why I think they've never read the darn things.
From a recent doc. I saw on Darlie, I think they have broken ties with Chris. He was called a "source" through out. That tickles me because many of Darlie's supporters take that book as gospel

Didn't Darin say that Darlie called the internet supporters "greenies"? LOL! He implied she didn't have much use for them either.

 

[Goody]

I'll have to second what Jeana said. I spent 8 years thinking about these boys constantly. I sent flowers to their graves. I sent money to their memorial funds on various websites. I cared... as did many others. When the boys were brutally murdered, I had sons roughly the same ages. I have often wondered what kind of people Damon and Devon would have grown up to be if they weren't so brutally murdered in their childhood. What would they be doing now? Enjoying school and finding puppy love or more? What would they be learning in school? What experiences would they have to share with others?
And then you have Darlie, who has written poems about how they are better off, who has TV interviews in which she has talked non stop about herself and her "wealth", who has written to her supporters about how "unjust" prison life is, who did a glam shoot for her article in Glamour Magazine. This is the same lady who piles on the make-up for her yearly Christmas Card to supporters (while also begging for money), and lies to supporters in mail thinking these folks don't talk to one another. The same lady who let her babies be dug out of a joint grave so that she could peel the skin off their hands, knowing full well it was too late to get a definative answer on fingerprints. The same lady who has by my latest count come up with over 25 stories of what happened that night. The same lady who has now gone as far as trying to implicate her friends and family.
Know well that this is the lady you defend. Know also that the people who study this case are outraged over the loss of t wo perfect little souls who were taken from this earth long before their time was due.
Will I dance on Darlie's grave? No, I will not. I will pity her, and the desperation and self loathing that brought her to this horrible act. But every year I will take flowers to the grave belonging to the boys. And I will continue to contribute to websites that honor their memory.
Peace,
Cindy

Gosh, Cindy, very well said. :clap:

 

[Goody]

Whatever you do unto these little ones you do unto me.
Quote Jesus.

So everytime they were stabbed, the killer was stabbing Jesus. Every drop of fear and pain they experienced, so did Jesus. (Can you imagine if the face they peered into during those attacks was their very own mother how horrific it must have been for those little guys?) That is some burden for the killer to carry but it must be carried all the same, acording to your own quote. The only thing we differ in is on whose back it lays. There can be no redemption without confession and remorse. So if she did do this thing, you aren't helping her if you are helping her hide her guilt.

 

[beesy]

Whatever you do unto these little ones you do unto me.
Quote Jesus.

Then Darlie's got some 'splainin to do.

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

So everytime they were stabbed, the killer was stabbing Jesus. Every drop of fear and pain they experienced, so did Jesus. (Can you imagine if the face they peered into during those attacks was their very own mother how horrific it must have been for those little guys?) That is some burden for the killer to carry but it must be carried all the same, acording to your own quote. The only thing we differ in is on whose back it lays. There can be no redemption without confession and remorse. So if she did do this thing, you aren't helping her if you are helping her hide her guilt.

I'm not hiding anything, I came her to look at the evidence objectively, it lies in the blood and being able to completely understand it means I can explain it to someone else too.
I am not responsible for anyone's redemption but my own. I cannot control Darlie's choices in life, or her death.
Without needing to use anything else the blood should tell.

I quoted the Bible so take it as you see it, what ever sin is committed against children is committed against Jesus too. For however we treat the least so shall we be treated. Darlie has yet to confess only add details to her story or change versions as you say.
I don't want to imagine what the boys went thru only that certainly Jesus knew they were coming and lifted the pain and burden from them long before they died, he was there to give comfort as well as everlasting life.

I can only tell Mama Darlie how I feel about Darlie's innocence or guilt but I'm sure even she has had to have her doubts too. It is not that I don't see Darlie as being capable of snapping, or having some kind of reaction to the drugs, or any of the other pat answers that have been proposed but that's the whole problem here.

How did Darlie plant the sock without getting any of her blood on it.

Bevel testifies that the spots that are cast off t-B or t-10 are mixtures of Darlie/Devon and Darlie/Damon----- ok this is real important for me to get right cause I think I can control the blood reenactment to include Darlie stabbing the boys while bleeding herself. But I can't seem to find all the pieces together. What is put forth as the most likely order she did things in?

That is why I asked for you opinions about how to reconstruct this correctly- as you see it.

Hubby also said he would volunteer his laser light instead of a plumb bob. It would also be great for setting up the proper angles.

I'm not trying to blow smoke screens as you think. I too watch a great deal of real crime TV and I saw a cold case solved by the tool marks on the knife and a bone of the victim. When they took the knife apart they found the victims blood.

That is one of the reasons I put a great deal of validity on Poole's testimony about the serrations he found on the wound. If he can't match it to the knife positively then is still doesn't mean it isn't the correct weapon. I was under the impression that these tool marks were very unique in most cases, but I guess not this one.
That's why I have been so stubborn about my 2 knife theory, If I'm wrong I'm wrong. I am a big girl and it wouldn't be the first time and I doubt the last. I'll give up the 2 knife theory unless some other expert can say positively one way or the other. That's the problem with these experts they are harder to get a straight answer out of than a politician.

 

[txsvicki]

I know that the sock has probably been discussed a lot, and I read the theory about static cling, which I don't think happened. What could have been the purpose of the sock? Was it used as sort of a glove to keep from putting any prints on the knife if it had been washed before the murders, and then slipped off possibly leaving Darlie's print? I don't get why the sock was used in the murders unless Darlie was wearing socks at the beginning. My answer to Jane's question, if Darin didn't run it down the alley, is maybe Darlie's blood isn't on the sock because she wasn't cut yet?

 

[deanws]

I know that the sock has probably been discussed a lot, and I read the theory about static cling, which I don't think happened. What could have been the purpose of the sock? Was it used as sort of a glove to keep from putting any prints on the knife if it had been washed before the murders, and then slipped off possibly leaving Darlie's print? I don't get why the sock was used in the murders unless Darlie was wearing socks at the beginning. My answer to Jane's question, if Darin didn't run it down the alley, is maybe Darlie's blood isn't on the sock because she wasn't cut yet?

LOL.....I laughed at the "static cling" theory myself!

 

[Mary456]

How did Darlie plant the sock without getting any of her blood on it.

Darlie didn't plant the sock; if she was trying to implicate an intruder, she would have thrown it in the yard where the police would be sure to find it. Instead, she took it as far away from the crime scene as time and panic would allow. Why? Probably because she used it over the knife handle when she stabbed the boys, and was afraid that their blood on it would incriminate her (consciousness of guilt). Or maybe she was afraid the police could lift her fingerprints from the sock. Sounds silly, but many people think fingerprints can be lifted off any surface which, of course, is a fallacy.

The reason her blood isn't on the sock is because she took it down the alley before she inflicted her own wounds. At least, that's the most reasonable explanation to me

 

[cami]

I'll have to second what Jeana said. I spent 8 years thinking about these boys constantly. I sent flowers to their graves. I sent money to their memorial funds on various websites. I cared... as did many others. When the boys were brutally murdered, I had sons roughly the same ages. I have often wondered what kind of people Damon and Devon would have grown up to be if they weren't so brutally murdered in their childhood. What would they be doing now? Enjoying school and finding puppy love or more? What would they be learning in school? What experiences would they have to share with others?
And then you have Darlie, who has written poems about how they are better off, who has TV interviews in which she has talked non stop about herself and her "wealth", who has written to her supporters about how "unjust" prison life is, who did a glam shoot for her article in Glamour Magazine. This is the same lady who piles on the make-up for her yearly Christmas Card to supporters (while also begging for money), and lies to supporters in mail thinking these folks don't talk to one another. The same lady who let her babies be dug out of a joint grave so that she could peel the skin off their hands, knowing full well it was too late to get a definative answer on fingerprints. The same lady who has by my latest count come up with over 25 stories of what happened that night. The same lady who has now gone as far as trying to implicate her friends and family.
Know well that this is the lady you defend. Know also that the people who study this case are outraged over the loss of two perfect little souls who were taken from this earth long before their time was due.
Will I dance on Darlie's grave? No, I will not. I will pity her, and the desperation and self loathing that brought her to this horrible act. But every year I will take flowers to the grave belonging to the boys. And I will continue to contribute to websites that honor their memory.
Peace,
Cindy

Brilliant post Cindy... you've said it so well. It's exactly how I feel. None of us will be dancing when Darlie is executed. What a waste of a young life.

But it's those boys that we all care about and their loss to society. Devon could have become President some day for all we know and Damon find a cure for some fatal disease. I can't tell you the number of times I've cried for those two beautiful boys. Especially when you see them so full of life and cute as can be on those home movies.

 

[cami]

How did Darlie plant the sock without getting any of her blood on it.

Bevel testifies that the spots that are cast off t-B or t-10 are mixtures of Darlie/Devon and Darlie/Damon----- ok this is real important for me to get right cause I think I can control the blood reenactment to include Darlie stabbing the boys while bleeding herself. But I can't seem to find all the pieces together. What is put forth as the most likely order she did things in?

How did the alleged intruder avoid getting Darlie's blood on the sock? That's her blood all over the place. How did he avoid it?

You don't allow for the possibility that Darlie planted that sock BEFORE she was bleeding or the possibility that Darin put the sock in the alley?

Yet, you conclude definitely from Poole's testimony there were two knives used in this crime, hence two killers.